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I want nothing to do with a RB who has never played a full season with starting RB reps and who has had a major knee AND ankle injury in the last 3 years with the 3rd season cut short from yet another injury. There's got to be a better option.

Tee and Jamarr contracts are very possible. There will be very little overlap. Tee is at most getting a four year extension and Jamarr has 4th year and 5th year option to play on before his extension will even kick in. The Burrow contract guarantees are very front loaded giving them the ability to convert salary to signing bonus down the line as well. It’s literally about the guaranteed money and the Bengals unwillingness to guarantee outside of year 1. Something they’ve only done for Joe Burrow. Do they have the liquid cash to put that into escrow? Once they open that door for non-quarterback, there is no going back.

I do know it, I would be insane to argue otherwise. Hell I will go even further. They haven't been as good since Ogunjobi left. In fact lets make this even more of a thing. Cam Taylor Britt is the one good player this team has drafted under Lou in the past 3 years. The rest are a bunch of wait and sees. See why I think resigning Tee long term might not be the best idea? Because if we aren't drafting well on defense we might have to go out in FA and get guys.

The biggest issue that needs fixing, by far, is the defense. I understand that offense gets more attention and everyone loves shiny toys but the stats don’t lie. The Bengals defense was 31st in total yards allowed (28th against the pass, 26th against the run) and 21st in points allowed. That’s bottom third of the league and not even close to being good enough to compete for a Super Bowl. Everything hinges on turning it around or it won’t matter what a healthy Burrow does.

I dont need a calculator. The Bengals would have two years of big cap allocation for these guys with a multitude of vet contracts expiring. I mean if you name a vet outside of OBJ, their contract is probably up within the next two years and the Jamarr extension won’t kick in for three years. It’s not about paying two receivers whether people agree with that or not. The Bengals want to pay them both. They don’t want to guarantee out years. Same as it was with Jessie. They made an aggressive offer but the guarantees weren’t good enough.

I'm starting to think he should be starting TBH.

To my eyes it looks like a frequent lack of effort. Just kinda out there doing the bare minimum unless he gets the ball. Like what you might expect from a guy who thinks he's untouchable and can do (or not do) whatever he wants. Weird, huh?

These fools haven't even considered the smiles! No one has mentioned Dobbins smiling so hard pass. I bet he doesn't even make fingerguns at the RB coach after he whiffs on yet another blocking assignment. Forget it.

I don't share this optimism. It's the draft, odds are at least one of them will be average at best at the NFL level. Nothing against them individually just how it goes with draft picks. This scenario also means waiting until the 3rd round or later to draft OL. This team can't afford to do that.

I want Higgins here but paying JB Chase and him that massive amount of money isn't going to happen. They should tag and trade him and put his money into other positions of need. JB doesn't need 2 WR1s to succeed. Just too damn much money invested imo.

Good luck to him, would have liked to see him in the UFL, I don't watch much CFL

but we have no idea if Tee is even going to be on the roster when the 2024 season begins, right? 🤷‍♂️

April 5, 2002. 22 years old.

He’s very explosive. He was unblockable during Sr Bowl week. Were you down on Geno Atkins when he was drafted?

"Quality Control" coach...hmmm yeah idk lol

What does Joe get out of lessening the years? He has no incentive to do that and the Bengals had no incentive to do it with absolutely nothing behind him. Joe covers his own ass with the early roster bonus.

I tend to agree, but I would go a bit further and say that the biggest issue on both sides of the ball is addressing the trenches. I think both sides of the ball could take a huge step forward if we could get better at DT and on the Oline. Getting a good NT and a 3 Tech would fix this defense very quickly. It would allow us to generate pressure from the middle freeing up Trey even more so and Sam as well, it would free up the LBs to roam freely into the backfield and it would help the very young 2ndary out so they arent covering as long.

They were never going to come close to the overall deal either. They don't value the S position to pay them top dollar drafting a guy high isn't what I was suggesting regarding value. Put it this way if Dax turns it around and plays like Jessie did, don't expect they get a deal done with him either.

Not big on Hall and don't know why exactly. Maybe his small stature 6'2 280lbs. We need a NT . Tony Franklin is 6'3 187lbs. Slight frame but 4.35 speed and has route running ability.

What? It was a pay cut in his final two years. Why would they ask him to take less money but only lessen it in year 2? They gave themselves a small dead cap hit in the final year to get out of the contract if they wanted and Joe’s team got the early roster bonus in there so he’s not capital F fucked when the Bengals flirt with every other girl at the bar and strike out.

The Bengals have never valued the S position enough to pay them top dollar, it's why they let Reggie Nelson go too. Same with the OG position. There are certain positions the team is willing to pay money for and certain ones they are only going to go so far on. They were never going to pay Jessie what the Falcons did

Let me put this this way Sport Trac two guys who I think are likely going to be tagged this year, Tee already being tagged, and Justin Madubuke likely getting it. What they think their market value is Tee 4 yrs, $74,405,184 Avg. Salary: $18,601,296 Justin 4 yrs, $81,287,936 Avg. Salary: $20,321,984 If I had to choose I would take a All Pro DT over a WR2 that plays like WR1, when you already have WR1 that is a top 5 WR, and I don't think that is a hard choice to make. And I love Tee The money for both of those guys is close enough that I think it's a good comparison.

Hell no. I want to keep Jamar long term and either keep Tee for this year only or trade him. Or if we do keep him long term maybe get better at scouting by expanding the scouting department so that we can have great players at other spots too. Yes we completely agree that we need to do better than what Pollack has given us. Maybe Rascati can help, but if not I hope they consider finding a better Oline coach or guys who scout the Oline better, because that is the one thing holding us back on the O side of the ball.

I should have said a combined $110 mil rather than 55 but the point remains. KC got extra draft picks by trading Hill. Are you suggesting we do the same with Uno? I'm in favor of your idea of running the ball better, with the QB under center more. I'm also in favor of replacing Pollack with a new O-line coach though it's likely too late for that now. When Bill Callahan left the Browns to work with his son, I think the assistant there left Cleveland too. We should have hired him. Maybe Rascati can help our O-line this year. We have plenty of resources this offseason to add talent so there's no reason we can't aim for a Super Bowl win in 2024.

You know Jamie, you have convinced me. All draft, all the time. Pitch every proven player for roll-of-dice college players. Or recycled bridge FA’s. I’m not kidding either. Why? Because each year is its own universe. Don’t concern yourself with ‘25, when ‘24 will have enough challenges. And ‘26 is another dimension altogether. If this team could make a Super Bowl with a few FA purchases, developing draftees (including Saints Tee and Uno), and a Volkssturm right side of the offensive line, they can do it with this bunch. Maybe.

Bengals can easily afford to extend Higgins as well as Chase if they wish to. Burrow's cap number jumps in 2025 but then only rises slowly after that. If we end up paying Burrow+Chase+Higgins an average of $110 mil per year, that's not prohibitive. Chiefs had something similar this past season with Mahomes+Jones+Kelce. They had a bunch of guys on rookie contracts who were contributors. We should want our drafted players to be successful and keep them when they are plus players, not recycle through them. There's also finding value in veteran free agency. Not everyone is top of the market, there are guys just looking for a roster spot and some of them are useful players. Tranquill and Edwards would be examples for the Chiefs while Apple and Flowers were for us in 2021.

Even if he does run better when they put him deep - why do you think the Bengals would change their offense for Joe Mixon? He’s got a ton of mileage, he doesn’t break off big runs, and teams just legitimately do not care if we want to take the ball out of our quarterbacks hands. They would be thrilled. And they didn’t extend him. They told him to take a pay cut. No one is fooling themselves. It’s a very real possibility and PDJ has alluded to it again and he was spot on with saying the pay cut/outright cut was coming. I’m not sure how else to spell it out for you. It may not come to fruition, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t discussing it.

You can't be talking abut our offensive line We're constantly hearing about our fantastic free agents signing of Karras, Cappa and Brown Jr. if they're that good why isn't Sixgun in the Pro Bowl and Joe Burrow in one piece for an entire season? Can't all be Volson's fault.

Finding a RB that can run out of the shotgun still doesn't solve the QB sack issue. You are still hacking at the branches and not the root.

100%

Run plays out of the shotgun gives Joe Sixgun more time to waddle up to the like. and do a little dance before running into an O lineman and falling on his ass.

According to PFF he pas blocked 8 times and had a grade of 26.7. About as low as you can get

I really dont know what you don't get here. If you spend the money on Tee Jamar and Joe, it means you don't have as much money to spend on other positions This was literally your Dutch Boy complaint.

What you just described is their need to run shotgun vs under center.

did any of us even notice C Brown blocked? i wonder out of how many snaps did Chase brown actually pass block?

Looks that way with Tee on board now. Charlie Sizzle may get his chance at slot. Gotta keep someone else there though.

18-20 at most. This OT class is nowhere near as good as the draft gurus have made them out to be. Not saying guys won’t go early but I think most of them are going to struggle mightily if thrown out there right away.

PFF ranked Mixon 50th of 59 RBs for pass blocking. He graded at 29.7 which is very poor in their system. Gus Edwards graded at 55.1 for what it's worth.

I looked up the highest rated blocking RBsi In last year's draft class. Top 3.. 1.Hunter Leipke.....80..Cowboys 2.Bijan Robinson. .60..Falcons 2.Chase Brown .....60..Bengals Maybe we have a blocking back this season.

Just watched a clip video & he's back on his heels a lot in pass pro. Also grabbing a lot of jersey but IDK, in the current NFL that might be a good thing. A lot of wins by virtue of simply being bigger than the guy he's blocking.

Well yeah, they've got to draft guys they think are capable of starting & it does work out sometimes. Good teams do that before the depth chart fills up with blank spaces. Writing them in as starters before they're even on the team is where they run into trouble. When they don't work out or get hurt because they're not up to NFL conditions yet then they've got no Plan B and we start getting the videos & articles about how nice they are.

... He also had a Hall of Fame DT in Chris Jones. The expensive Blue Chips have to come from somewhere. There's many ways to win it all, and all of them are based on creating an advantage. The Bengals passing game could be that.

Thanks to Spags and that defense + playing Mr. Irrelevant + choke artist Shanahan. Their passing offense was pretty pedestrian all offseason and probably would have been better had everyone not named Kelce been dropping the ball left and right. Two things aren't always the same.

Id like to see blocking grades on RBs this past season to see where Mixon slots in. It may not be as low as some think.

Having 2 WR1s for Joe to throw to is the Bengals competitive advantage. It makes things easier on the other targets and means we'll have a WR1 with single coverage.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't CEH provide the same running skills as Brown? Aren't they looking for a thunderous type to go with Brown?

What else can they get to talk about,? It's over boring what they spew.. Try something new like top ten Tennis players ever?.. No correlation to football but at least it might be interesting than the shit they blather on with.

Now that's a beautiful sight.

Joe is at least durable—and earns the money by playing instead of collecting it on IR.

Oh man, JamieB’s about to be triggered..