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~~> That the franchise is still historically terrible in the year 2020. Their regular season win-loss record since Carson Palmer was drafted #1 overall: 123-130-3 Is that good? Nah. Is that so horrible that it warrants the franchise being treated the way the Browns are treated? Hell no. It's a tick below .500. We all know they're also 0-7 in the postseason, and we can legitimately gripe about that. Before we can even arrive at that gripe though, we're forced to acknowledge the existence of seven playoff berths in that span. A whole bunch of NFL franchises cannot match that. ~~> That the Bengals are a quarterback black hole. Number of opening starters since 2004: two. That's good. Five pro-bowls and a first-team PFF all-pro between Palmer and Dalton. This assertion is just plain horseshit and has no basis in anything. Akili was over 20 years ago, and Klingler was nearly 30 years ago. Even bringing them up right now is freaking ridiculous. ~~>That the Bengals don't do anything to support their quarterbacks. This millennium (may not even be comprehensive): - Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Chris Henry**, AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mohamed Sanu, Tyler Boyd, John Ross** - Jermaine Gresham*, Tyler Eifert**, Drew Sample* - Eric Steinbach, Andrew Whitworth, Andre Smith, Kevin Zeitler, Cedric Ogbuehi*, Jake Fisher*, Billy Price*, Jonah Williams** - Rudi Johnson, Chris Perry*, Kenny Irons**, Giovani Bernard, Jeremy Hill*, Joe Mixon All of these players were either successful or drafted in the first two rounds (many of them both). *Drafted high and sucked / **Drafted high and disappointed for reasons that cannot be sensibly blamed on the front office. We can rightly criticize the franchise for all of those single asterisk names. Now show me how many other NFL franchises don't have a comparable record of misses within the same time frame. Moreover, show me how many of those misses were egregiously questionable picks given the general projections of those players in their respective drafts. There are a couple, but many of them were projected right around where the Bengals took them. Shit happens. ~~> That Mike Brown still has his dirty fingers in every personnel decision the franchise makes. This has not been true for nearly a decade if not longer, but he's still the easy name to throw around when shitting on the "Bengals" as clueless pundits are wont to do. ~~> That the Bengals don't have a GM. This is only technically true. Duke Tobin is close enough FFS. Is he good at what he does? Maybe, maybe not -- there's plenty of evidence of both. A crappy "director of player personnel" is not remotely equivalent to "Mike Brown makes every pick". I'm sure I could rant more, but this will suffice.

Banned.

When he follows you into a public restroom & his cop buddy watches the door

Will they suck more if they pick Chase Young? Maybe. Even if he is the second coming of Reggie White he doesn't make them a playoff team. If Burrow is the real deal he makes them better big time. Pick the best player, period. Chase Young sucked balls in the Fiesta Bowl. Are you trying to tell us that the guy that blew chunks in the biggest game he ever played in college would be a better pick than a guy that rose to the moment in the college football playoffs?

...and just like that,The Bengals extend Andy Dalton,and select Chase young with the first pick...

Sadly, reporting isn't about "reporting" anymore. It's about clicks, hits, viewers, listeners and whatever it takes to get attention, even if it means stirring up a fabricated shit storm to get people upset or amused enough to pay attention. It's not surprising that little-known "reporters" like these have to resort to such, but it's pathetic that the likes of Dan Patrick have to, as well. It's the nature of today's media beast. People can get the facts from an app on the little box they carry around in their pocket. They don't have to sit down to watch Dan Patrick on the 6:00pm SportsCenter to find out what's going on. In the fight for relevance, the people who hope to make their living in the media business often resort to drama, controversy, or click bait. That's all this is about. Dan Patrick either shamelessly does what he's been doing, or he gets ignored and loses what little relevance he still has a member of the media. The bastards spewing the Burrow nonsense are nothing more than pro wrestlers thumping their chests in the middle of the ring, trying to incite as much of the crowd as they can. Florio was a prime example of that today. That he was able to say what he said in that interview with Channel 9 (?) and hold a straight face was impressive. I'll give him that.

Charean only heard the words in bold. Joe Burrow DID say this: “I haven’t really thought about it like that,” Burrow said Tuesday of his leverage. “I was kind of talking more about the Combine process. Just so everyone knows, I’m not going to throw. I’m not going to workout. That’s kind of what I was talking about. But yeah, I’m going to just try to be the best player I can be for whoever drafts me and try to fit in in any way that I can.” So there it is...

When Joe Burrow walks into The Precinct it's gonna be like Roy Munson walking into his local Bowling Alley in 1979.

Exactly. Cats acting like players all play at the same level. Like nobody can be transcendent. Its crazy. Whats the fucking purpose of new players coming out every year if thats the case? Get a grip. Nobody is saying he is the God. They're simply saying that he can potentially make up for some shortcomings that Andy couldnt because he seems to be a much more gifted fucking player. My eyes tell me that he is. So in essence, i am compelled to believe, based on what my eyes have told me, watching sports the last 30 years, that skill level varies on all players. And based on that, it can be determined, that if Player A has more skills + intangibles than Player B, he might, JUST MIGHT, not only play better but make his team better in the process. Why is this a hard concept to grasp? Christ.

I was about to head over to YouPorn but this will do. Thanks

All the worst people come from there

Eff it - I am going. I have booked the flights and the hotel. Got half on each due to points. Here we go. My lifelong bad luck jinx versus the Bengals doing the right thing and the national media trying to stir up trouble. What could possibly go wrong???? If anyone else ends up in Vegas - let me know so we can meet up. There's supposed to be quite a good sized contingent heading out there.

Correct. She was dealing with the Swiss banks straightening out the secret accounts and checking on the art work in the Brown family vaults that disappeared from German museums and flak towers in the final days of WWII.

I mean, I said myself that it's a flawed operation with plenty of room for improvement. I don't think anyone is refuting that. I complain about this franchise as much as anyone else. What's bullshit though is this 20-years outdated mentality that the Bengals are incapable of doing anything right whatsoever.

That's really fucking stupid. And indeed, lazy. To say that any team is not committed to winning. KC is finally going to it's first Super Bowl in 50 years. I guess they finally decided to commit to winning. Like the several other teams that haven't been to the Super Bowl in decades or ever. It's easy and lazy to pile on the organization. They were contenders for 5 years straight. How was not winning any of those games Mike Brown's fault. I'm guessing that here comes the bullshit where he wanted them to do well enough to get people in the seats, but didn't care if they did better than that. Yes, people have actually said that.

Like what? What’s his agent gonna say to him, “yeah, don’t sign with Cincinnati, I’d rather not get paid”? And, why do you assume public opinion will mean anything? Not to mention, I don’t know about you, but, I don’t hear sweeping public opinion, like, when talking with sports fans friends of mine, that Burrow should dig his heels on and do something players so infrequently do. What I see are some limp dick sports prognosticators, who, incidentally, are mainly absolute hacks, trying their damnedest to sew a false division and create a story where there shouldn’t be one. Seriously, when’s the last time anyone gave a shit about anything Carson Palmer had to say? And, when’s the last time Carson made it a point to get on the public record about something? It seems like every time I see or hear anything from him it’s this ridiculous anti-Bengal crusade. Within a week this non-story should go back to being exactly that.

Say that to all the players who have been drafted, good players too, and signed extensions. This is sort of like politics, you think you ( in a general sense, not you specifically) know something , but you actually only know what you hear, which is essentially fuck all. If we are talking about free agents, I can agree much more on that front, because there is much more evidence to support that claim. Seems to me, a side from Palmer, most who play for the Bengals in the past decade atleast, are very happy to be there. *Joe Burrow will be drafted. Joe Burrow will play for the Bengald. That's pretty much that. I suppose, for now though, its a cool story.

...and for Dre, it's Three-mile Island.

Thank god. People talking on a forum saying I bet you wouldn't say that to my face are the absolute lowest form of internet people. He makes me ashamed to be a Buckeye fan. Jesus.

As most of you know the NFL Combine starts this week and the SIRIUS NFL Channel is up in Indy. I thought I's post some highlights of interviews concerning the Bengals: DUKE TOBIN: The interview leads one to be very surprised if Joe is not the pick and it seems they aren't entertaining trading Seem very open to trading back in rounds 2 and 4 Drafting a QB and keeping Andy is an option and it won't be motivated by finance Andy's "feelings" do play a role Said they are constantly communicating with Andy and his agent. (Tea leaves suggest they are letting him reach out to other teams to garner interest) No timeline is set for anything Says he has never answered more questions about someone whom he has never talked to face to face (Burrow) Will meet with Burrow tomorrow (2/26/20) TUA Calls himself "very bionic" Says surgeries were chosen over rehab to get back on field quicker. Docs also told him they were better for longevity Had MRI yesterday. Expects "medical clearance" March 9 and Pro Day April 9 Will have individual workouts after Pro Day Says media got carried away with him admitting to growing up a Cowboys fan. His dogs are named Dallas and Star; it's just being honest Earliest memories of Cowboys were with Testeverde as QB and had no idea who Cher is (dang I'm getting old) Asked about tanking for Tua and now most likely not being number 1OA. Says all he can do is be honest to teams that interview him to insure they are getting what they expect Brady Quinn as him what he was doing now and he said "rehabbing", we Brady as for details like...are you running,....are you throwing....are you cutting...he didn't answer and simply said "I'm doing what they tell me". Leads me to believe the answer is no HERBERT He was interviewed this AM but I missed it, will update if they rebroadcast BURROW Complete press conference will be aired at 15:00 (3 pm for you civilians) today (2/25/20) I'll update some as I hear them/find relevance and ask anyone also with the channel to do likelwise.

This Saturday, I'm going to brave the incredibly huge crowds in St Louis to attend my first ever XFL game. It's the St Louis BattleHawks (oops, I meant BaπleHawks) against the Seattle Dragons at the TWA Edwards Jones Dome at America's Center Dome Dome! This will be my first trip back to the TWA Edwards Jones Dome at America's Center Dome Dome since I took my little one and met up with Chicago Jason back in December of 2011 to watch the Bengals spank the Rams. That game was remarkable in that I found tickets in the secondary market going for a paltry $10 ... for lower bowl mid-field seats about 15-20 rows from the field. There used to be a thread here about that adventure, but sadly I cannot find it and suspect it was a casualty of one of the past board "resets" that happened. Jason was hella cool and gifted me that Wyche-era Bengals Starter jacket you've seen me pose in from time to time... amazingly, that jacket was too tight and didn't fit me when he brought it down from Chicago, but 8+ years later and now it's about a size too big. : ) The announced attendance at 56K, but 40-50K of those attending came disguised as empty seats. The place was swarming with Bengal fans who made the short trip to take advantage of the cheap tickets, and we kept running into members of the Bomb Squad all over town, including the trip we took to the A-B Brewery. ANYWAY... I adopted the BaπleHawks as my XFL team so I would have a rooting interest. I figured out that I had a free weekend at the same time as a home BaπleHawks game, which itself is just 3 hours before a Blues game. I was going to make both, since the XFL claimed that their timing rules would keep the games to under 2 hours..... but three weeks into the season that's been proven as bunk. They ARE shorter than NFL games, but the games are still nearly 3 hours long. So I'll take in the football game, then head down to Ballpark Village to watch the Blues punch the Stars about. Tickets in St Louis were crazy hard to get. I was lucky, in that I only need a single seat, and I was able to snag one of the few remaining $60 seats. But the one I got looks pretty damn nice: That's the home sideline (yeah, the BaπleHawks put themselves on the side FACING the cameras), on the 15, and I'm in the first row of the upper half of the section. That half is elevated... there's a walkway in front of and below the section, and after coming out of the tunnel you have to take a sort flight of steps UP to get to the seats. I'm in Row CC (there are no Rows AA or BB in this section), and in seat 5 of 9. Which is why that seat was available, there being an odd number of seats everything else was paired up and taken by season subscribers. They sold out their first game - 29K seats bought - and are looking like likely to sell out game 2 as well (or at least come pretty darned close). There are a lot of connections between the Bengals and BaπleHawks, including Coaches Jonathan Hayes (HC / GM) and Jay Hayes (DC), and players Will Clarke (DE, 3rd round 2014 draft) and Alonzo Russell (Practice Squad WR, UFA 2016) . Not sure if that's a positive or a negative, but it is what it is. That's it for now. I don't expect anyone on the Board will be in Gateway for Saturday's game, but if anyone IS please follow-up here and we can meet up for a pregame beer - assuming they don't drink it all AGAIN this week. Ka-Kaw!

I figured the best way to explore this question would be to go and find the data. So I did. I looked at the collegiate statistics of most current starting(ish) NFL quarterbacks. For each of them, I determined (given subjective, case-by-case criteria) how many seasons they had that were markedly better than Joe Burrow's 2018 -- his first year at LSU. By that standard then, for the sake of the current dialogue, I define the "number of big seasons" each of them had in college. Tom Brady - none Ryan Fitzpatrick - can't find Josh Allen - one Sam Darnold - two Ben Roethlisberger - three Lamar Jackson - two Baker Mayfield - three Andy Dalton - two Ryan Tannehill - one Jacoby Brissett - zero Gardner Minshew - one Deshaun Watson - two Derek Carr - three Philip Rivers - one Joe Flacco - can't find Patrick Mahomes - two Dak Prescott - two Carson Wentz - two Dwayne Haskins - one Daniel Jones - zero Aaron Rodgers - one, two if I'm generous Kirk Cousins - two Matt Stafford - one Mitchell Trubisky - one Cam Newton - one Drew Brees - two or three? (turnover machine) Jameis Winston - two Matt Ryan - one Russell Wilson - three Jimmy Garoppolo - at least one, can't find 2013 Kyler Murray - one Jared Goff - two Bold - clearly a great player who has performed at an MVP level at least one year in the NFL (fewer than two great collegiate seasons) Italics - either a solid NFL player or one who shows a lot of promise (fewer than two great collegiate seasons) To me, this list is all over the place. If I could scatter plot it I'd expect a very low correlation.

I read that USA Today article yesterday and it fits the pattern we've seen all along. The national media is pushing this narrative. They want Burrow to pull a power move so they have a bigger story to write about. They want someone to challenge the NFL order and stick it to one of the worst owners in professional sports. It is 100% their agenda and they don't care how it affects Burrow or his reputation.

I think Joe Burrow might already be my all time favorite Bengal.

The small hands is more motivation for Mikey to go with Burrow. Kid gloves are cheaper that adult gloves.

He just murdered the "Pull an Eli" narrative. That's done. Go fuck yourselves, PFT and DP Show and Cowherd and others. And he confirmed the leverage quote was taken out of context (as we knew) and he was referring to the combine (he's not gonna throw):

The text was funny, but he had to use both hands to do it.

When Chad left so did the team's personality. Since then it's pretty much been cold oatmeal punctuated by Adam Jones getting arrested.

Actually, Jameis Winston would be the perfect replacement for Ben

In the very post I quoted you said: Any QB would fail behind this oline. It's made up, you have 0 idea if any QB (including Joe) could succeed behind this line. I provided to recent examples of QBs doing so. Hell I didn't even mention the rookie last year who tied Russell for most sacks behind a garbage oline and managed a passer rating 10 points higher than Andy and his best WR is a member of the AARP. Any team that has the worst rated QB in the NFL has a problem at QB and it is their biggest. If we magically got 5 HOF Olinemen then Andy would probably do pretty good behind it, but that ain't happening. What can happen is we have the opportunity to take a QB that just had a college season that has never been matched in the history of college football; yet some will question the pick and stand behind our mediocre QB.

And it's refreshing to have yet another Burrow thread.

Sure. I guarantee that if the Bengals draft Joe Burrow, Andy Dalton absolutely will not be on this team for the 2020 season. 100%. This isn't that hard.

Hell, Fox made a whole network out of it. Now it’s the biggest propaganda machine on the planet. Gaslighting works.

Well they did start losing again when they started taking all of the pieces away from him....Sanu, Jones, Whitworth, Zeitler....that’s where it all started. Last time he played with those four he had the team in position to be a number one seed in the playoffs and a shot at finishing top 2 or 3 for league MVP. Since then it’s been nothing but injuries and misery. And, alas, at this point it’s simply time to turn the page on Dalton and start fresh. and again, who here has said anything even close to resembling “Joe Burrow will take this team to a SB right off the bat”? I’ve not seen anything like that on here.

What's going to be glaring is the difference in pass protection from LSU to here. How's Burrow look when 2/5 of his offensive linemen get beat at the snap? You think the media's bad now? If this kid gets hurt behind the Phenomenal Bobby Hart & Friends we are never going to hear the end of it.

It might be this: building an offense that can possess the ball 35+ minutes per game and put up some serious points when needed.

Its definitely interesting to see the assorted sports media just now figured out how the NFL draft works.

It's like being in love you never notice how shitty they are until you have left them.

HEY!! Don’t be messing with my favorite movie!

Yeah I think that mindset is extremely lazy.

"Do I still have to pay for my parking spot?" "Yes."

Long since have I had the hatred replaced by the Stealers and Ravens.

Because why the fuck should we resign ourselves to another fucking lost season to spin the potential franchise qb wheel when they are in position to spin that wheel right fucking now.

Ive said it before, ill say it again, there are too many fans of this team that have been fucking shell shocked man. It doesnt allow for any rationale. No chance Burrow doesnt get drafted by the Bengals. The only scenario even remotely possible is if someone like the Dolphins comes calling with the mother load, and i do mean the fucking mother load for him. Even then, the possibility is very scarce.

Justification for taking the path of least resistance

The franchise culture does kind of remind me of that kid in school that talked about their IQ a lot.

He has missed 20 straight games. The fact that the Bengals kept him on the active roster for the first 16 weeks is an indictment of the front office.

The irony