USN Bengal Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3124583"]http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3124583[/url] Source: Reds, closer Cordero have preliminary agreement By Jerry Crasnick ESPN.com (Archive) Updated: November 23, 2007, 5:38 PM ET Comment Email Print The Cincinnati Reds have reached preliminary agreement on a four-year, $46 million contract with closer Francisco Cordero, a baseball source confirmed to ESPN.com. Francisco Cordero Relief Pitcher Milwaukee Brewers Profile 2007 Season Stats GM W L BB K ERA 66 0 4 18 86 2.98 The deal, which includes a club option for a fifth year, is subject to Cordero passing a physical exam. The agreement was first reported by Foxsports.com. Cordero, 32, has 177 career saves in nine seasons with Detroit, Texas and Milwaukee. He ranked second in the National League with 44 saves last season in Milwaukee and made the National League All-Star team. The Brewers and Houston Astros were also pursuing Cordero before he signed with Cincinnati. Cordero is the third prominent reliever to sign as a free agent this offseason. Mariano Rivera will return to the New York Yankees on a three-year, $45 million contract, and Scott Linebrink has agreed to a four-year, $19 million deal with the Chicago White Sox pending a physical exam. In addition, the Philadelphia Phillies acquired closer Brad Lidge from the Houston Astros as part of a five-player trade. Cordero helps upgrade a Cincinnati bullpen that went 23-31 last season and posted a National League-worst 5.10 ERA. David Weathers led the Reds with 33 saves, but has been a setup man for most of his major league career. Jerry Crasnick covers Major League Baseball for ESPN Insider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kochman Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 He was lights out to start the year then tailed off as the season went on. With that said HUGE, HUGE upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Entertainer Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Holy Shit! Great signing! Can't wait to see him pitch! Now, sign some starting pitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BengalsFREAK| Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Closers don't fall outta trees, so this is a great signing! It's one of many steps this team needs to take this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 hip hip horrah!!! Lsu lost and the reds got cordero. Might not be a great day to be a bengals fan, but still a great day to be an osu/reds fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTA513 Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 If this happens it will allow Weathers and Burton to cover the 7th and 8th inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 or Bray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigfox09 Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 This is huge!! Its looks like the Reds are serious about winning some games this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalrick Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LudwigVan Kubrick Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 nicely done, Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_dish Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 Awesome news. With a decent bullpen this team would have won 10-20 more games last year. The team still needs work, but this is a hellova bug step in the right direction. One thing I dont understand is the rumors that the Reds would be shopping Josh Hamilton. Thats kinda fucked up, he and Phillips were really the only bright spots on this team last year (and the NEED to lock up Phillips long term ASAP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 [quote name='big_dish' post='598074' date='Nov 24 2007, 01:20 PM']Awesome news. With a decent bullpen this team would have won 10-20 more games last year. The team still needs work, but this is a hellova bug step in the right direction. One thing I dont understand is the rumors that the Reds would be shopping Josh Hamilton. Thats kinda fucked up, he and Phillips were really the only bright spots on this team last year (and the NEED to lock up Phillips long term ASAP)[/quote] Hamilton is a sentimental favorite with us fans, but he's really a boom or bust kind of a proposition. Maybe they're thinking that an established pitcher is a safer bet, although not as high of a potential ceiling. Sort of "a bird in the hand". I think the fact that they're really high on Jay Bruce makes Hamilton a little more expendable too. I'd hate to trade Hamilton, but I can understand the thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 [quote name='BengalBacker' post='598138' date='Nov 24 2007, 05:45 PM']Hamilton is a sentimental favorite with us fans, but he's really a boom or bust kind of a proposition. Maybe they're thinking that an established pitcher is a safer bet, although not as high of a potential ceiling. Sort of "a bird in the hand". I think the fact that they're really high on Jay Bruce makes Hamilton a little more expendable too. I'd hate to trade Hamilton, but I can understand the thinking.[/quote] Being high on Bruce should make Dunn or Griffey(eventually) expendable, not their best position (hamilton) player not named Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 By the way I think we are 1 solid starting pitcher away from being a damn good team. Harang, Arroyo, Bailey, (the one solid pitcher I mentioned above), and whoever wins out between Cueto, Livingston, and all those guys) Setup men of burton, bray, weathers closer cordero This is the lineup I would go with, even though I doubt they will bat Hamilton 4th. 1. Keppinger 2. Phillips 3. Griffey 4. Hamilton 5. Votto/Cantu 6. Dunn 7. EE 8. Ross/Valentin With Jay bruce, hatterberg, and hopper on the bench. Personally I think thats a pretty good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBacker Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 [quote name='CJandRudiJ' post='598139' date='Nov 24 2007, 05:47 PM']Being high on Bruce should make Dunn or Griffey(eventually) expendable, not their best position (hamilton) player not named Phillips.[/quote] I agree, although I'm in favor of keeping Dunn. We're basically stuck with Griffey it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm00th_kw Posted November 24, 2007 Report Share Posted November 24, 2007 I'm fine with being "stuck" with a HOFer who still puts up great numbers and plays great defense and will hit the 600th Home Run of his career next season. Ken Griffy Jr. is not the reason this team wasn't good last season. Freel, on the other hand, could be the dumbest move Krivsky ever made. What the fuck was he smoking he decided to pay that completely below average, injury prone utility player $3,000,000.00? As for the Cordero signing, I really can't see anything I don't like about it. 177 careers saves, no significant injury history or arm problems, it hurts a Central Division team while improving easily the weakest part of our team, upper 90's fastball, great slider, 3.2 something career era. Its phenominal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riptide Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 [quote name='CJandRudiJ' post='598143' date='Nov 24 2007, 05:56 PM']By the way I think we are 1 solid starting pitcher away from being a damn good team. Harang, Arroyo, Bailey, (the one solid pitcher I mentioned above), and whoever wins out between Cueto, Livingston, and all those guys) Setup men of burton, bray, weathers closer cordero This is the lineup I would go with, even though I doubt they will bat Hamilton 4th. 1. Keppinger 2. Phillips 3. Griffey 4. Hamilton 5. Votto/Cantu 6. Dunn 7. EE 8. Ross/Valentin With Jay bruce, hatterberg, and hopper on the bench. Personally I think thats a pretty good team.[/quote] When votto was drafted he was a catcher, so i say put him back there and move dunn to first with hamilton, bruce and griffey in the outfield... think about that lineup 1. keppinger 2. hamilton 3. griffey 4. phillips 5. bruce 6. dunn 7. votto 8. EE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 [quote name='Riptide' post='598165' date='Nov 24 2007, 07:42 PM']When votto was drafted he was a catcher, so i say put him back there and move dunn to first with hamilton, bruce and griffey in the outfield... think about that lineup 1. keppinger 2. hamilton 3. griffey 4. phillips 5. bruce 6. dunn 7. votto 8. EE [/quote] Now that would just be sick, but it will never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmanMunster Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 [quote name='sm00th_kw' post='598150' date='Nov 24 2007, 06:33 PM']I'm fine with being "stuck" with a HOFer who still puts up great numbers and plays great defense and will hit the 600th Home Run of his career next season. Ken Griffy Jr. is not the reason this team wasn't good last season. Fre[b]el, on the other hand, could be the dumbest move Krivsky ever made. What the fuck was he smoking he decided to pay that completely below average, injury prone utility player $3,000,000.00?[/b] As for the Cordero signing, I really can't see anything I don't like about it. 177 careers saves, no significant injury history or arm problems, it hurts a Central Division team while improving easily the weakest part of our team, upper 90's fastball, great slider, 3.2 something career era. Its phenominal.[/quote] that is the 2nd dumbest move. the dumbest move was resigning coffey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmer4HOF Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 [quote name='big_dish' post='598074' date='Nov 24 2007, 01:20 PM']Awesome news. With a decent bullpen this team would have won 10-20 more games last year. The team still needs work, but this is a hellova bug step in the right direction. One thing I dont understand is the rumors that the Reds would be shopping Josh Hamilton. Thats kinda fucked up, he and Phillips were really the only bright spots on this team last year (and the NEED to lock up Phillips long term ASAP)[/quote] 1) I don't remember the thread I put it in, but I stated Hamilton is the one player that should be dealt. His own admission is that he will always have chronic injuries and I just don't see the value in keeping a player who believes that. He's a great talent, but packaged with the right players (I'd say a Hamilton, Freel, maybe even a Bailey or Maloney) could net us a number 1 or number 2 pitcher that is young and proven. Hamilton could be the best athlete in the MLB for years to come, but I think I'd much rather take my chances with a proven front end of the rotation guy (which is lacking for the reds) over losing Hamiltons offense (which isn't lacking) 2) Philips is still cheap for the Reds and it doesn't make much sense to pay him when we have him locked up cheap. He'll get his pay day either next season or the season after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//13.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//13.gif[/img] [img]http://forum.go-bengals.com/public/style_emoticons//36.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselman44 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Dumb move spending that much on that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmanMunster Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 [quote name='dieselman44' post='599596' date='Nov 26 2007, 11:39 AM']Dumb move spending that much on that position.[/quote] closer is one of the most important and expensive positions in baseball. there is no way taht was too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nati Ice Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 wtf would you prefer they do? not sign anyone? when are they announcing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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