BengalsOwn Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Probably a way to give Carson a friendly face to practice with, and a way for Jordan to possibly get some more experience so that another team would sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 [quote name='BengalsOwn' post='628351' date='Jan 30 2008, 01:13 PM']Probably a way to give Carson a friendly face to practice with, and a way for Jordan to possibly get some more experience so that another team would sign him.[/quote] did they need to sign him for 2 years so another team could sign him?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodey1971 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 This gives them an extra arm in the mini camps since Fitzpatrick is not under contract. There is no down-side for Jordan... Either stick around an NFL franchise, or get on with your life's work. Hmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 [quote name='claptonrocks' post='628355' date='Jan 30 2008, 01:18 PM']did they need to sign him for 2 years so another team could sign him??[/quote] That's the standard "scrub" contract... They can cut him without hesitation... Wonder if Carson and Jordan have worked out a plan that involves Carson intentionally injuring his brother so that the Bengals have to give Jordan an injury settlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globetrotter Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 [quote name='BengalsOwn' post='628367' date='Jan 30 2008, 01:36 PM']That's the standard "scrub" contract... They can cut him without hesitation... Wonder if Carson and Jordan have worked out a plan that involves Carson intentionally injuring his brother so that the Bengals have to give Jordan an injury settlement.[/quote] 2 things. 1) I think Jordan is better than any CFA scrub we would have brought in to be the 4th TC QB this year. I think he just needs refinement but can be a great NFL QB. 2) Carson is not in a position to know what is best for him all the time. He may say it is ok, may believe it was ok but may that does not necessarily mean it is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebee Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Does this mean I'm going to have to get rid of my "PALMER" jersey and buy the new "C.PALMER" jersey? Mike Brown is an evil genius if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoBengal Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 [quote name='joebee' post='628402' date='Jan 30 2008, 01:32 PM']Does this mean I'm going to have to get rid of my "PALMER" jersey and buy the new "C.PALMER" jersey? Mike Brown is an evil genius if that is the case.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|ArmyBengal| Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 [quote name='joebee' post='628402' date='Jan 30 2008, 02:32 PM']Does this mean I'm going to have to get rid of my "PALMER" jersey and buy the new "C.PALMER" jersey? Mike Brown is an evil genius if that is the case.[/quote] :rofl: Mike Brooown, suuuper genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 No, Mike Brown is so cheap he signed him to save money on "Palmer" nameplates. Why do you think we have so many Johnsons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Dude you guys obviously don't see the trick ability this brings, we could totally conufse the defnse by bringing both qb's out there and one being the decoy, they won't know which one is Carson! Anyways i figure they'll cut Jeff Rowe's goofy looking ass, and keep Jordan as the 3rd guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Tory Go! Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 [quote name='Actium' post='628334' date='Jan 30 2008, 12:47 PM']Rowe seemed to show potential in the preseason. I don't remember him seeing action in the regular season.[/quote] He only looked good because he was replacing Doug Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 You're crazy if you seriously think Jordan will be on this team after training camp. Absolutely crazy. The guy was out of work, and the do Carsons family a favor by signing him to a contract and pay him to work our for a few months, and you are speculating that Carson will be upset by this? Seriously? Buncha emotional women on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 [quote name='joebee' post='628402' date='Jan 30 2008, 02:32 PM']Does this mean I'm going to have to get rid of my "PALMER" jersey and buy the new "C.PALMER" jersey? Mike Brown is an evil genius if that is the case.[/quote] Shit...I was just going to buy a new jersey too! Maybe I can just cut a "C" out of duct tape and put it on the back? Figure I can take it off around August once the "J" is jettisoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 [quote][size=5][b]Bengals sign another Palmer[/b][/size] [size=3][b]Jordan joins Carson with two-year deal[/b][/size] BY MARK CURNUTTE | MCURNUTTE@ENQUIRER.COM Jordan Palmer and big brother Carson talked before Jordan signed a two-year contract this morning to join the Bengals. "We made sure we both understood that it's a business first, that I'll get out here and get my own life," Jordan told The Enquirer before boarding a plane back to California. "Still, whether it's football or another job, it's going to be fun to work with your brother." Carson Palmer is 28 and headed into his sixth NFL season. Jordan is a first-year NFL player, a sixth-round draft pick last year by the Washington Redskins who played in just one preseason game before being waived Sept. 1. Jordan will turn 24 on May 30. The reason Jordan was flying back to California? "Carson is heading for the Super Bowl on Thursday," Jordan said. "I'm dog-sitting for him. Always the little brother." Jordan is not physically little, just young. At 6-feet-5, 231 pounds, he started 42 games for Texas-El Paso and threw 88 touchdowns. The Bengals like his physical size, arm strength and overall strength. "They see me as having the tools to play," Jordan said. "They have the confidence that they can coach and develop me into the player they want." Jordan, through his brother, already knows quarterbacks coach Ken Zampese and offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski -- the only position coach and coordinator Carson has had in the NFL. "They know I kind of fit the mold, too," Jordan said. "I'm not going to go in there and try to run around. I'm like Carson." Jordan Palmer played in 46 career games (42 starts) for UTEP. He finished his UTEP career with 11,084 passing yards and 88 touchdown passes, both school records. As a senior in 2006, he set single-season records for passing yards (3595), completions (282), completion percentage (65.7) and passer efficiency (149.6). The Bengals have two other quarterbacks under contract: Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jeff Rowe. When Jordan Palmer entered the 2007 draft, he and Carson didn't want Jordan to sign with the Bengals. Why? "There were 31 other teams out there," Jordan said. "It was important for me to go somewhere else and get my career established. Now it is different. He is a great guy to learn behind. I can learn a lot from Carson, and I will offer him all of the support I can." Since he was waived by the Redskins in September, Jordan Palmer "flew all across the country and tried out for about 37 teams. I worked out. I got in great shape. I did some media and charity work. And I got ready for a chance like this." Parents Bill and Danna Palmer are happy. "Of course they are," Jordan said, "cheaper airfare and great photo ops."[/quote] [url="http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080130/SPT02/301300067/"]http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...PT02/301300067/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 [quote][size=5][b]Bengals Have Palmer Brothers at QB[/b][/size] By JOE KAY AP Sports Writer CINCINNATI (AP) -- Jordan Palmer was packed for Phoenix, ready to take his career to the Arena Football League, when he got a most unusual offer. The Cincinnati Bengals wanted to know if he would like to try to earn a spot as his brother's backup. They didn't have to wait long for an answer. He signed a two-year deal Wednesday that will give him a chance to play behind his brother, quarterback Carson Palmer. Although brother tandems have been common in the NFL, it's rare that two of them get to throw passes for the same team. "Someday we'll look back and laugh about it and think it was pretty cool," Jordan said in a phone interview. It's certainly unusual. There have been dozens of brother tandems on NFL teams. Akin and Remi Ayodele in Dallas, Chris and Nic Clemons in Washington, Jake Reed and Dale Carter in New Orleans, Andre and Kevin Dyson in Tennessee are recent examples. Having two brothers at quarterback is rare. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, no brothers have played quarterback for the same team during the Super Bowl era. Koy Detmer was on injured reserve for Philadelphia while his brother, Ty, played for the Eagles in 1997. The Bengals have had two sets of brothers play at the same time: Jim and Ross Browner in 1979-80, and Ray and Archie Griffin from 1978-83. So far, Carson Palmer has had the more accomplished career, winning the Heisman Trophy at Southern California before becoming the No. 1 overall pick in the 2003 draft. He led the Bengals to the playoffs in 2005 before a severe knee injury temporarily set him back. Jordan Palmer, who is five years younger, set school records at Texas-El Paso by throwing for 11,084 yards and 88 touchdowns. Washington drafted him in the sixth round last year, and he played in one preseason game before being waived Sept. 1. He stayed in shape and hoped to get another chance in the NFL. When that didn't come, he signed with the Arizona Rattlers and was about to head there when the Bengals made their offer. Cincinnati already has a No. 2 quarterback: Ryan Fitzpatrick, obtained from St. Louis in a trade on Sept. 1. The third-string quarterback is Jeff Rowe, who was a fifth-round pick from Nevada last season. Like other teams, the Bengals add a fourth quarterback for minicamps and training camp, giving them someone else to throw the ball during practice. If Jordan Palmer does well, he could win the No. 3 job or improve his chances of going to another NFL team instead of the Arena League. "We both understand that this is a job," Jordan Palmer said. "We need to keep it very professional. The fact that we're brothers is something for on the side. My job is trying to make the team, which is different from his job as the starter." The two of them understand there could be some awkward moments now that they're reunited in Cincinnati. "If you've got two brothers and something happens on the team that's not positive, from not playing enough to getting cut or having an issue with somebody, you don't want it to spill over into their relationship with each other," their father, Bill Palmer, said in a phone interview. "You don't know how the other two quarterbacks will feel about it, both of whom Carson has a good relationship with. "Jordan is just going to have to go in there and be cool about it. He's pretty good about it, though. He knows how to handle himself in that situation." Besides spending time with his brother, Jordan Palmer figures he'll get to learn from one of the best. "I know I'm biased, but I think pretty highly of him as a player," he said.[/quote] [url="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_BENGALS_PALMER_BROTHERS?SITE=OHCIN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT"]http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN...EMPLATE=DEFAULT[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 [quote name='BengalsOwn' post='628497' date='Jan 30 2008, 04:54 PM']You're crazy if you seriously think Jordan will be on this team after training camp. Absolutely crazy. The guy was out of work, and the do Carsons family a favor by signing him to a contract and pay him to work our for a few months, and you are speculating that Carson will be upset by this? Seriously? Buncha emotional women on this site.[/quote] but why put him on the team if he has no shot of making it? That just keeps him from being able to latch on with another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nati Ice Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 i have the up most confidence that this signing will be approach with the up most maturity from both carson and jordan, and while not exactly a huge impact signing i liked him a lot coming out of college and believe he could make a great back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 [quote name='USNBENGAL the Original' post='628304' date='Jan 30 2008, 10:57 AM'][url="http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6614"]http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6614[/url] Brother act By GEOFF HOBSON January 30, 2008 11:45 a.m. The Bengals now have a brother act at quarterback Wednesday after signing Jordan Palmer to a two-year deal. The younger brother of Carson Palmer, the 6-5, 231-pound Jordan joins backups Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jeff Rowe. A sixth-round draft pick by the Redskins last season, Jordan Palmer was waived Sept. 1 after playing in one preseason game. He started 42 games for UTEP and finished his career with 11,084 passing yards and 88 touchdown passes, both school records. As a senior in 2006, he set single-season records for passing yards (3595), completions (282), completion percentage (65.7) and passer efficiency (149.6).[/quote] Updated article . . . [quote][size=5][b]Brothers in arms [/b][/size] By GEOFF HOBSON January 30, 2008 If it's a dream come true, it's also true that dreams are made and not born. "Every big brother dreams he can play with his little brother and every little brother dreams he can play with his big brother," said Carson Palmer, the big brother. "But he's got his work cut out for him." After a lifetime of tagging along with a brother four years his senior, Jordan Palmer signed a two-year deal Wednesday that puts him on the practice field and in the film room with Carson. But this isn't continuation of some back-yard catch. To Jordan Palmer, this is pure business. "I understand I need to develop and coming into the league I want to learn from the best," said Jordan, who has been searching for a team since last Sept. 1. "In my opinion Carson is the best quarterback in the league. I'm biased, but when it comes to mechanics, accuracy, work ethic...I was there when he came back from the (knee) injury. I've just got a lot of respect for him as a player." The feeling is mutual. You can hear the respect in Carson Palmer's voice, which, by the way, sounds like a taped version of Jordan's. "He's very athletic. He's got great size, he can throw running around and he can throw the ball all over the place," said Carson's pocket scouting report. "He's got everything physically. But he's got some catching up to do. He's got three guys in front of him that have at least a year in the offense and he doesn't have a long time to learn it." Once upon a time Jordan Palmer didn't want to follow in his brother's foot steps. He went to a different high school, never gave USC a thought, and hoped last year that the Bengals wouldn't draft him. "He didn't want to be Little Carson," said Bill Palmer Wednesday after his two sons finally became teammates. "But this is a different situation. He made his own way in other places and he'll do that now, too." Jordan Palmer, a sixth-round pick of the Redskins last season after a record-setting career at Texas-El Paso, said both he and Carson are comfortable with a move they didn't want last spring because they wanted Jordan to get a shot to play for a starting job. "We talked about it before I did it and he's OK with it," Jordan said. After being released by Washington despite playing just two series in the preseason, Jordan is looking to gain a foothold in the NFL. With No. 2 Ryan Fitzpatrick a bit in limbo as a restricted free agent, Jordan joins a fifth-rounder from last season in Jeff Rowe, a player they probably gave similar ratings to Palmer during the draft process. "I think this can work out. I'm excited about it," Jordan said. "I can learn from a top guy and he's got a guy that he knows is with him and supports him all the way on and off the field. I know how effective having a guy like that can be after watching (Jon) Kitna here and Shane (Matthews) and Doug (Johnson) and the guys from last year." Jordan Palmer has some of his own numbers to build a resume. He started 42 games for UTEP and finished his career with 11,084 passing yards and 88 touchdown passes, both school records. As a senior in 2006, he set single-season records for passing yards (3,595), completions (282), completion percentage (65.7) and passer efficiency (149.6). But he arrived in Washington with five other quarterbacks and when his scheduled debut was washed away in a thunderstorm that cancelled the second half of a preseason game, he was left with the two series in which he didn't have a passer rating. But earlier in August during a scrimmage against the Ravens he threw a 24-yard touchdown pass. He admits his transition was slowed by his adaptability to the system. "I need to play well. No matter how many reps you get, you need to play well and produce," Jordan Palmer said. "The (former offensive coordinator) Al Saunders' system was very complex. Talking to Carson and explaining some of the stuff we were doing, he would say, 'That's a little over the top.' "That was probably the biggest thing," he said. "I don't think physically it was that big of an adjustment for me. I had fast receivers in college. I played against fast guys and big guys. To me it was definitely the mental aspect of it. It was a big challenge for me. I put in a ton of time. I didn't pick it up right away, but there were guys who said it would take a year to learn that system." P>But that should hold him in good stead when the spring camps start in May because offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski's scheme has some characteristics in common. "It was a numbers system like it is here," he said. "I'm glad it's in this style and not a West Coast offense that uses different terminology and it's not a new language. We'll talk brothers stuff first, but I'm sure we'll talk about Xs and Os. He's helped me a lot. But once we get here, he's got to focus on the starting job and I've got to focus on trying to get a spot." When Bengals president Mike Brown spoke with Bill Palmer at last year's Senior Bowl and asked if he thought it was a good idea if the two were on the same team, the father understood they wouldn't like it because they each wanted the same thing. They wanted a shot for Jordan to play and that wouldn't happen behind Carson. "As it turned out, it's now a whole different game now," said Bill after several tryouts and Jordan's decision to hook on with the Bengals and bypass a shot with the Arena team in Arizona. "It's clearly a friendly environment. They know him there. He's thrown with T.J. (Houshmandzadeh) and Carson in the offseason." And Bill says there are going to be some double takes. There already is because the 6-5, 231-pound Palmer looks and sounds like a dead ringer for his brother. "The way they drop back, their throwing motions, it's the exact same," Bill Palmer said. Jordan looks forward to the practices. It won't be that much different than it's always been. "I love competing against Carson," he said. "Throwing in one-on-one, trying to be the most accurate. I love going against the best and he loves going against guys that go all out. It's going to be fun." Another reason the Bengals figure it's a good move is it's never a bad day when you add a solid individual. Jordan is the more outgoing of the two, the one more likely to be generating some noise in the locker room. But if Jordan mirrors Carson in voice and looks, he also arrives with the same set of intangibles. "He's a great guy. A team guy," Carson said. "He'll do whatever he can to make the team better and bust his butt to make it happen." Plus, Jordan knows this doesn't happen all the time. "It's kind of cool because guys like Tiki and Ronde (Barber) don't play the same position," Jordan said. Indeed, according to the Elias Sports Bureau the only other brother quarterback tandem to play on the same team in the Super Bowl era is Ty and Koy Detmer for the '97 Eagles, although Koy was on injured reserve. Elias says there have been dozens of brother combinations on the same NFL team with the most recent this past season in Dallas with linebacker Akin and nose tackle Remi Ayodele. In 2005, linebacker Chris and defensive lineman Nic Clemons played together in Washington and in 2002 wide receiver Jake Reed and defensive back Dale Carter were in New Orleans. Also in 2002, cornerback Andre and wide receiver Kevin Dyson played for Tennessee. The most famous brother act in Bengals history is the Griffins of Columbus, Ohio with running back Archie and cornerback Ray playing together from 1978-83. Safety Jim and defensive end Ross Browner were Bengals in 1979 and 1980.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of Chucky B. Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 [quote name='texbengal' post='628335' date='Jan 30 2008, 12:51 PM']I'm sure they talked to Carson before making this move. And for all we know, this was a favor to him... besides, they can always use an extra QB in the mincamps, and who knows? Maybe he'll show something. If nothing else, Jordan gets another opportunity... just being in an NFL camp is a good thing, and it might provide him some exposure to other teams looking for a backup. He's got size and an arm, so he does have some ability.[/quote] Not to rain on your parade, but I don't care what team you're on/running/work for, NFL teams are not in the business of doing favors, regardless of who you are. Despite they're often misguided approach at running a professional team, I find it very hard to believe that the Bengals would waste potential cap space, time, effort, etc, as a "favor" to Carson Palmer, regardless of the fact he's your franchise and elite QB. I think the Bengals really saw something in his brother, and plan to develop him and potentially use him in some capacity. There's definately a good reason he was signed. God forbid, knock on wood, Carson goes down again? I mean, look how quickly the fortunes of a team can change with just one play on a QB. Hopefully Jordan will be groomed to be at worst, a helluva backup. And as for sibling rivalries? I don't buy it. This isn't pee-wee or even high school. These are professionals, and they act accordingly (except for Chad...........) I have no doubt the Palmers will conduct themselves the way they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengal Chris Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Looks like were getting a Palm job for our Johnsons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBZ Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 I really like this move, and it is pretty obvious that everyone in the Palmer family was on-side with the signing. So...Very little downside, and there is upside that Jordan can use those prototype qualities to develop into a very good back-up QB. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 [quote][size=5][b]Palmer's brother aims for Bengals backup job[/b][/size] By Chick Ludwig Staff Writer Thursday, January 31, 2008 Quarterbacks Carson and Jordan Palmer will have an opportunity to make history in 2008. If Jordan lands on the Bengals' 53-man active roster as a backup to Carson, the Palmers will be the first brother-quarterback tandem to play on the same team since the Super Bowl era began in the 1966 season. The Bengals signed Jordan to a two-year contract on Wednesday. He'll compete with Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jeff Rowe for two roster spots behind Carson. Texas-El Paso's career passing leader in yards (11,084) and TDs (88), Jordan was Washington's sixth-round pick in the 2007 draft. The Redskins waived him Sept. 1. "So much with a quarterback is mental," Bengals offensive coordinator Bob Bratkowski said. "If he knows things well enough to where he can anticipate and get the ball out, he's certainly got enough arm talent to do it. The mental aspect will be the most challenging part from the beginning. "(Fitzpatrick and Rowe) are a step ahead mentally. So it'll be up to him to catch up and show us, physically and mentally, that he's going to earn some of those practice snaps and preseason snaps as well." The Bengals nearly drafted Jordan in 2007. "Between Carson and his parents, they felt it probably wouldn't be a comfortable situation," Bratkowski said. "Now that he was out there and looking for a place to catch on, everybody's reassessed their feelings. He's going to be here and have an opportunity." Contact this reporter at (937) 225-2253 or cludwig@DaytonDailyNews.com[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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