Bengals considering Brandon Marshall?

[scharm]

Top 10 pick for Marshall? Yeah, I don't know about that. There are some good LTs sitting right there.

I think they'd almost have to work with Denver for the 14th pick.


[quote]The Seahawks are going to give up that much money for a draft pick that could be a bust.

[/quote]

I don't get this logic. Big time FAs bust all the time. There is no shortage of examples of once GREAT NFL player getting paid and becoming much much less than what they were.

Marshall has been so focused on his contract. There's a good chance he takes his money and in years 2,3, and 4 of the deal puts it on cruise control. Ya never know. You also don't know what the cap rules will be or if there will be a cap. So the jackass could act a fool just because lesser WRs hit the market after him and are getting more than his record deal. We've seen that as well.

Why I like TO a little better. He's got something to prove on his way out and if he doesn't well you are done with him.

[Arkansas Bengal]

[b][url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Bengals-Seahawks-after-Broncos-Brandon-Marshal?urn=nfl,226510"]Bengals, Seahawks after Broncos' Brandon Marshall?[/url][/b]
By [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors?author=Mark+J.+Miller"]Mark J. Miller[/url]

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Everybody wants a talented wide receiver but do they want one with an attitude? The [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/sea/"]Seattle Seahawks[/url] and [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/cin/"]Cincinnati Bengals[/url] are supposedly answering such a question in-house. Both are said to be interested in acquiring the [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/"]Denver Broncos[/url]' restricted free agent [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7868/"]Brandon Marshall[/url][url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7868/news"](notes)[/url].

ESPN has it that the Bengals are [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4974292"]talking about getting Marshall [/url](perhaps for its No. 21 pick) but he has no visit scheduled with Cincy. The Cincinnati Enquirer seems to think it's not going to happen and the [url="http://twitter.com/joereedy/status/10142608438"]whole thing is a charade [/url]meant to send the price up for other suitors, such as the Seattle Seahawks, which Marshall met with over the weekend.

The Olympian has it that two of the [url="http://www.theolympian.com/2010/03/08/1164610/seahawks-contemplate-signing-gifted.html"]folks involved in Seawhawks' talks with Marshall [/url]were guys he knew back in Denver: offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates and quarterbacks coach Jedd Fisch.

Any team that signs Marshall has to give up a first-round pick to the Broncos if the team in Denver doesn't match the offer. Seattle has the sixth overall pick.


[url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Bengals-Seahawks-after-Broncos-Brandon-Marshal?urn=nfl"]http://sports.yahoo....Marshal?urn=nfl[/url],226510

[oldschooler]

[quote name='scharm' date='08 March 2010 - 08:11 AM' timestamp='1268057497' post='868275']
Top 10 pick for Marshall? Yeah, I don't know about that. There are some good LTs sitting right there.

I think they'd almost have to work with Denver for the 14th pick.




I don't get this logic. Big time FAs bust all the time. There is no shortage of examples of once GREAT NFL player getting paid and becoming much much less than what they were.

Marshall has been so focused on his contract. There's a good chance he takes his money and in years 2,3, and 4 of the deal puts it on cruise control. Ya never know. You also don't know what the cap rules will be or if there will be a cap. So the jackass could act a fool just because lesser WRs hit the market after him and are getting more than his record deal. We've seen that as well.

Why I like TO a little better. He's got something to prove on his way out and if he doesn't well you are done with him.
[/quote]



You don't get that logic? Yes FA do bust. But Marshall is a proven NFL player.
Draft picks are not. Marshall has set an NFL record for completions in a game.
Marshall has 3 straight 1,000 plus yard seasons. He also averaging
1295 yards receiving and 103 receptions the past 2 years. And hasn't even
entered his prime. That type of talent, that young hardly ever hits the open market.
I would much rather spend the dough on Marshall, if I were the Seahawks, than
an unproven draft pick that has more of a chance of being a bust than Marshall.

Marshall had been playing under his Rookie contract. He definitely outplayed it.
I don't blame him for wanting another.


If the Bengals don't get Marshall, I would be more than happy with T.O.
But Marshall is a beast and 11 years younger.

[oldschooler]

Adam Schefter reiterated Monday morning during ESPN's Mike and Mike Show that the Bengals ARE talking about it internally and that they have reached out. Schefter cautioned that all they've done is talk about it with each other and aside from that, nothing tangible has happened.



[url="http://www.cincyjungle.com/2010/3/8/1362372/schefter-reiterates-that-the"]http://www.cincyjungle.com/2010/3/8/1362372/schefter-reiterates-that-the[/url]

[Rumble In the Jungle]

old, i said the same thing. i wish we could get Marshall first. i'd rather have him than a first round draft pick. he proved he can play at this level. agree all the way.

[scharm]

[quote name='oldschooler' date='08 March 2010 - 09:22 AM' timestamp='1268058147' post='868280']
You don't get that logic? Yes FA do bust. But Marshall is a proven NFL player.
Draft picks are not. Marshall has set an NFL record for completions in a game.
Marshall has 3 straight 1,000 plus yard seasons. He also averaging
1295 yards receiving and 103 receptions the past 2 years. And hasn't even
entered his prime. That type of talent, that young hardly ever hits the open market.
I would much rather spend the dough on Marshall, if I were the Seahawks, than
an unproven draft pick that has more of a chance of being a bust than Marshall.

Marshall had been playing under his Rookie contract. He definitely outplayed it.
I don't blame him for wanting another.


If the Bengals don't get Marshall, I would be more than happy with T.O.
But Marshall is a beast and 11 years younger.
[/quote]

Yes, I don't get the logic of the writer. It makes no sense to me. I know what type of player Marshall is. Do the Denver Broncos not like these type of players? Did they fall asleep watching their own games?

To make an arguement that the 6th pick in the draft can bust, without recognizing the only reason you have an opportunity to acquire Brandon Marshall is because he has been an ASS is funny to me and I question that logic.

Point blank no one knows what he will do once he gets his money. The downside to Marshall is not his first year, it's his 2nd,3rd, and 4th years. For what teams are giving up they are not acquiring a quick fix they are attempting to acquire a building piece.

[quote]Marshall had been playing under his Rookie contract. He definitely outplayed it.
I don't blame him for wanting another.
[/quote]

This is quite hilarious to me. I'm not sure where your opinion on Chad was, but there was no shortage of Chad haters not even a year ago. What Marshall actually did to the Broncos was far worse. How you going to look over, your team needs a win and he finds a way to be inactive. Shitty no matter how you look at it.

Wanting a new contract is one thing. The risk to Marshall is what he does beyond his first year after he cashes the check. Plus the guy is one fuck up from a NFL suspension.

I don't get the logic of first rounders can bust so just use it on proven thing. Marshall can bust big time. The only reason why you have an opportunity to acquire him is because he's been an extreme ASS.

Marshall is a great player, I'd love to have him. I really would like TO better because there less risk and you keep your picks.

[scharm]

[quote name='Rumble In the Jungle' date='08 March 2010 - 09:40 AM' timestamp='1268059238' post='868287']
old, i said the same thing. i wish we could get Marshall first. i'd rather have him than a first round draft pick. he proved he can play at this level. agree all the way.
[/quote]

If it was just about Marshall's talent. You don't have an opportunity to talk to them about acquring him.


But it's not just about his talent and ability to play. Thus he can bust.

[-Dan_Bengals_FL-]

I've been told a deal for Marshall is "not going to happen."

[scharm]

[quote name='Dan_Bengals_FL' date='08 March 2010 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1268060030' post='868296']
I've been told a deal for Marshall is "not going to happen."
[/quote]

Just tell me a deal for TO will happen.

[oldschooler]

[url="http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter"][b][color="#0a0501"]Adam_Schefter[/color][/b][/url] [url=""] [/url] 1/2 Colleague Mike Tirico bumped into Brandon Marshall after the wide receiver returned to Denver. Marshall said the visit was great...
[url="http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/10173211906"]14 minutes ago [/url]via web



[url="http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter"][b][color="#0a0501"]Adam_Schefter[/color][/b][/url] [url=""] [/url] Marshall also said he sitll very open to staying in Denver and would not be surprised if this process lasts until the NFL draft.
[url="http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/10173228430"]13 minutes ago [/url]via web

[JC]

[quote name='Dan_Bengals_FL' date='08 March 2010 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1268060030' post='868296']
I've been told a deal for Marshall is "not going to happen."
[/quote]
Bummer..Dudes a monster.


I'm assuming that the visit to Cincy didn't really happen..after all?

[turningpoint]

I wonder if we traded for Marshall if he would wear #15? I wouldn't be opposed to it,but I wouldn't mind him wearing another #.

[oldschooler]

[quote name='scharm' date='08 March 2010 - 08:47 AM' timestamp='1268059672' post='868291']
Yes, I don't get the logic of the writer. It makes no sense to me. I know what type of player Marshall is. Do the Denver Broncos not like these type of players? Did they fall asleep watching their own games?[/quote]

They have a new coach that is trying to win the locker room.
He and Marshall clashed because Marshall pouted over a new contract.
They aren't wanting to trade him become he has been a bust on the field.
Hell, we don't know if they are even wanting to really trade him. They could
just be wanting the League to set the market.



[quote]To make an arguement that the 6th pick in the draft can bust, without recognizing the only reason you have an opportunity to acquire Brandon Marshall is because he has been an ASS is funny to me and I question that logic.[/quote]


Question it all you want. Marshall has been anything but a bust on the field.
A draft pick has a chance to be a bust on the field and an ass.


[quote]Point blank no one knows what he will do once he gets his money. The downside to Marshall is not his first year, it's his 2nd,3rd, and 4th years. For what teams are giving up they are not acquiring a quick fix they are attempting to acquire a building piece.[/quote]


Point blank, there is some risk when acquiring any player.
Ecspecially an unproven one.




[quote]This is quite hilarious to me. I'm not sure where your opinion on Chad was, but there was no shortage of Chad haters not even a year ago. What Marshall actually did to the Broncos was far worse. How you going to look over, your team needs a win and he finds a way to be inactive. Shitty no matter how you look at it.[/quote]


Chad had been extended several times since his Rookie contract. So that makes no sense.

Marshall didn't make himself inactive. The coach did. And TJ made himself inactive his
last game as a Bengal.





[quote]Marshall is a great player, I'd love to have him. I really would like TO better because there less risk and you keep your picks.[/quote]


Geez. All that bashing above and his is still a great player, and you would love to have him?

Like I said, I wouldn't be heartbroken with either one. But if I had my choice, I would get Marshall.

[oldschooler]

[quote name='JC' date='08 March 2010 - 08:59 AM' timestamp='1268060391' post='868302']
Bummer..Dudes a monster.


I'm assuming that the visit to Cincy didn't really happen..after all?
[/quote]


He never visited Cincy. His only visit was to Seattle.
And he left without an offer.

[JC]

[quote name='oldschooler' date='08 March 2010 - 10:05 AM' timestamp='1268060754' post='868307']
He never visited Cincy. His only visit was to Seattle.
And he left without an offer.
[/quote]
Oh okay. I thought I read a report earlier that said he was in cincy at one point. I swear I did. Anyways..looks as if it doesn't matter at this point.

Still hope we hold on to it as a possibility.

[StrengthOfFates]

Wish I could say that I was bummed out, but I never considered Marshall to the Bengals a possibility.

[scharm]

[quote name='oldschooler' date='08 March 2010 - 10:04 AM' timestamp='1268060651' post='868305']
They have a new coach that is trying to win the locker room.
He and Marshall clashed because Marshall pouted over a new contract.
They aren't wanting to trade him become he has been a bust on the field.
Hell, we don't know if they are even wanting to really trade him. They could
just be wanting the League to set the market.






Question it all you want. Marshall has been anything but a bust on the field.
A draft pick has a chance to be a bust on the field and an ass.





Point blank, there is some risk when acquiring any player.
Ecspecially an unproven one.







Chad had been extended several times since his Rookie contract. So that makes no sense.

Marshall didn't make himself inactive. The coach did. And TJ made himself inactive his
last game as a Bengal.








Geez. All that bashing above and his is still a great player, and you would love to have him?

Like I said, I wouldn't be heartbroken with either one. But if I had my choice, I would get Marshall.
[/quote]

Everyone knows he's a great player. He can bust just as easy as any first round pick in the draft. His own team won't deal with him and will not go to far out of their way to protect him. The first weekend of FA is over and Marshall is still available. With the only confirmed two teams being Seattle and Cincy.

It's telling. Now Marshall has indicated this may carry out to the draft. So getting back the original statement that I questioned the logic on, clearly it isn't so clear cut by saying draft picks are unproven and Marshall is. I think every football person out there realizes that. Still the only reason teams can even inquire about Marshall is because his own team left him out there dangling.

[oldschooler]

[quote name='scharm' date='08 March 2010 - 09:31 AM' timestamp='1268062286' post='868323']
Everyone knows he's a great player. He can bust just as easy as any first round pick in the draft. His own team won't deal with him and will not go to far out of their way to protect him. The first weekend of FA is over and Marshall is still available. With the only confirmed two teams being Seattle and Cincy.

It's telling. Now Marshall has indicated this may carry out to the draft. So getting back the original statement that I questioned the logic on, clearly it isn't so clear cut by saying draft picks are unproven and Marshall is. I think every football person out there realizes that. Still the only reason teams can even inquire about Marshall is because his own team left him out there dangling.
[/quote]



The writer said it comes down to do the Seahawks want to spend that much on a proven
WR with baggage, or keep the draft pick. I said that they are going to spend that much
on an unproven draft pick, and he could be a bust.

Of course Marshall could be a bust. I never said he couldn't. My point was that for the
same money, I would rather roll the dice with Marshal over a draft pick that will cost
about the same amount of money. It's that simple.

So you can question my logic, and go on long winded rants all you want.
It doesn't matter. Because in that scenario, I would make that move.

[turningpoint]

Can the seahawks offer marshall a contract after the draft? TGhus giving up next years Draft pick? i'd almost go that route if possible. 6th overall is too high IMO.

[TheBeaverHunter]

If they do sign him, it would be the biggest FA signing in Bengals history....and one of the smartest.

[scharm]

[quote name='oldschooler' date='08 March 2010 - 10:43 AM' timestamp='1268063004' post='868329']
The writer said it comes down to do the Seahawks want to spend that much on a proven
WR with baggage, or keep the draft pick. I said that they are going to spend that much
on an unproven draft pick, and he could be a bust.

Of course Marshall could be a bust. I never said he couldn't. My point was that for the
same money, I would rather roll the dice with Marshal over a draft pick that will cost
about the same amount of money. It's that simple.

So you can question my logic, and go on long winded rants all you want.
It doesn't matter. Because in that scenario, I would make that move.
[/quote]

I don't think I ever questioned your logic, slick. Maybe this why you are always in some sort of pissing match over nothing. Very telling.

Please have fun piecing togehter all the quotes for you next reply.

[oldschooler]

[quote name='scharm' date='08 March 2010 - 09:50 AM' timestamp='1268063403' post='868334']
I don't think I ever questioned your logic, slick. Maybe this why you are always in some sort of pissing match over nothing. Very telling.

Please have fun piecing togehter all the quotes for you next reply.
[/quote]



LOL


Let's recap.


I posted a sentence from an article. (I'll put it in quotes so it doesn't confuse you this time)


[quote]The decision for Seahawks’ brass at present essentially boils down to, do they want to give up the No. 6 overall pick in this year’s draft and spend in the neighborhood of $30 million to $40 million for one of the league’s most talented receivers who comes with a lot of baggage? [/quote]


Then I said, "The Seahawks are going to give up that much money for a draft pick that could be a bust."


Then you said "I don't get this logic."


So yes, you did question my logic, Slick.

[Jamie_B]

[quote name='Dan_Bengals_FL' date='08 March 2010 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1268060030' post='868296']
I've been told a deal for Marshall is "not going to happen."
[/quote]


Shocking

[-GoBengals-]

[quote name='Dan_Bengals_FL' date='08 March 2010 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1268060030' post='868296']
I've been told a deal for Marshall is "not going to happen."
[/quote]

truths...

[oldschooler]

[size="5"][b]Doubts emerge regarding Bengals' interest in Brandon Marshall[/b]
[/size]Posted by Mike Florio on March 8, 2010 9:44 AM ET


On Sunday, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that the Bengals [url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/07/bengals-have-considered-going-after-marshall/"]could become participants[/url] in the Brandon Marshall sweepstakes. Specifically, Schefter said that the Bengals were discussing internally the possibility of pursuing the Broncos' restricted free agent receiver, who carries only a first-round tender.

James Walker of ESPN.com gingerly sprinkles water on his colleague's theory, explaining that "thinking about a player and actually making a trade are [url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/10280/bengals-sending-mixed-messages"]two vastly different things[/url]." Walker points out that giving up a first-round pick and paying Marshall a contract in the range of $30 million to $40 million would not mesh with the Bengals' historical approach to player acquisition.

Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer has offered a more cynical view, suggesting that the rumor reported by Schefter is "[url="http://twitter.com/joereedy/status/10142608438"]mostly a smoke screen[/url]" that is aimed at "driv[ing] up the price with Seattle."

Frankly, we're not sure why the Bengals would help the Broncos get a better draft pick for Marshall, or why the Bengals who held Marshall get more money from Seattle. And we doubt that Schefter would be reporting so unequivocally that the Bengals are discussing Marshall if in fact they aren't.

The more likely explanation is that the Bengals are trying to drive down the demands of the other receivers whom they currently are considering -- Antonio Bryant and Terrell Owens. Bryant made nearly $10 million in 2009; he likely is looking for a deal that averages close to that number. And Owens consistently has been able to get big-money contracts even in one-team bidding wars, under the notion that Owens won't be "happy" with his new team unless he's making the kind of money that causes him to conclude that his skills are being properly respected.

So we think that the Bengals are considering Brandon Marshall in order to let Bryant and Owens know that, for the kind of cash they presumably want, the Bengals are more inclined to pay it to a guy who is younger and, frankly, better than either of them.






[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/08/doubts-emerge-regarding-bengals-interest-in-brandon-marshall/"]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/08/doubts-emerge-regarding-bengals-interest-in-brandon-marshall/[/url]