Arkansas Bengal Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Bengals, A.J. Green not talking about a new contract yet Posted by Mike Florio on April 17, 2014, 10:50 PM EDT By May 3, the Bengals inevitably will exercise the fifth-year option on receiver A.J. Green’s contract. The bigger question is whether the Bengals will be extending Green’s contract by more than a year. Per a source with knowledge of the situation, talks on an extension for Green have not yet begun. The fourth overall pick in 2011, Green has a strong argument that he deserves the contract now that he didn’t get three years ago under a rookie wage scale aimed at preventing busts from sucking millions out of the system. But the Bengals hold his rights for two more years, giving them no reason to break the bank prematurely. Even in 2016, they can use the franchise tag to hold him in place while working out a long-term deal. Before that happens, Green could boycott offseason workouts or hold out from training camp. The former isn’t very expensive; the latter would cost $30,000 per day. For that reason, Bengals coach Marvin Lewis is confident Green will be there. Lewis said so during an interview at the recent league meetings in Orlando. The clip that was televised Thursday on NBCSN’s Pro Football Talk appears below. Still, a holdout hasn’t been ruled out. The source tells PFT that it’s too early to tell whether that will happen, and that the topic hasn’t been discussed yet. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/17/bengals-a-j-green-not-talking-about-a-new-contract-yet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 Bengals, A.J. Green not talking about a new contract yet Posted by Mike Florio on April 17, 2014, 10:50 PM EDT By May 3, the Bengals inevitably will exercise the fifth-year option on receiver A.J. Green’s contract. The bigger question is whether the Bengals will be extending Green’s contract by more than a year. Per a source with knowledge of the situation, talks on an extension for Green have not yet begun. The fourth overall pick in 2011, Green has a strong argument that he deserves the contract now that he didn’t get three years ago under a rookie wage scale aimed at preventing busts from sucking millions out of the system. But the Bengals hold his rights for two more years, giving them no reason to break the bank prematurely. Even in 2016, they can use the franchise tag to hold him in place while working out a long-term deal. Before that happens, Green could boycott offseason workouts or hold out from training camp. The former isn’t very expensive; the latter would cost $30,000 per day. For that reason, Bengals coach Marvin Lewis is confident Green will be there. Lewis said so during an interview at the recent league meetings in Orlando. The clip that was televised Thursday on NBCSN’s Pro Football Talk appears below. Still, a holdout hasn’t been ruled out. The source tells PFT that it’s too early to tell whether that will happen, and that the topic hasn’t been discussed yet. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/17/bengals-a-j-green-not-talking-about-a-new-contract-yet/ Neither has cutting him, but I don't expect to lose any sleep over that "possible" outcome either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 It is a conundrum. But if there is even a hint of a holdout...the siren screams of "bad attitude".."disgruntled"..."doesn't want to be here"...and all that other crap will be forthcoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup000 Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 I'm surprised they haven't at least reached out to AJ's agent for a first proposal.....which I'm sure would be something like 7 years $140M. I guess the front office really is frozen because Andy didn't agree to their first offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 It is a conundrum. But if there is even a hint of a holdout...the siren screams of "bad attitude".."disgruntled"..."doesn't want to be here"...and all that other crap will be forthcoming. Which would just as quickly disappear the instant he signed with a large-market team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorclaws Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 classic Florio.... there were many articles posted yesterday about teams exercising the 5th year options on their players, yet this is the only one he suggested a holdout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 IIRC the new CBA really prevents guys holding out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 AJ doesn't strike me as someone who would hold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knomage Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 One thing that stands out about the "new" Bengals ( the team since the Browns own the whole thing) is the lack of negotiating thru the media, no player denigration and an overall positive attitude toward the process. However the fans feel about the uncertainty built into the system, the negotiating has gone on and so far all parties seem satisfiedwith the eventual outcome. I hope this trend continues building a deeper trust that leads to the kind of loyalty that matters between the Bengals and the Bengal players. Yes it is a business, but one that carries an emotional component between management, coaches, players and fans. Winning both demands and creates additional emotion..lets keep it working for us and not let unnecessary worry turn into needless fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboi Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Odell beckmen visited the Bengals today so it will be interesting to happens and if the Bengals do draft beckman could Aj green or sanu,be on their out,if the Bengals do draft a receiver the I could see them cutting sanu and resigning Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 classic Florio.... there were many articles posted yesterday about teams exercising the 5th year options on their players, yet this is the only one he suggested a holdout. Yep, just a weird assertion. Kind of hacky from Florio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Odell beckmen visited the Bengals today so it will be interesting to happens and if the Bengals do draft beckman could Aj green or sanu,be on their out,if the Bengals do draft a receiver the I could see them cutting sanu and resigning Green. I don't think they would cut Sanu, but I could see Tate being in trouble if they draft Beckham or Cooks. Green and Jones on the outside with Beckham/Cooks in the slot? Sounds pretty awesome to me. If they don't like the CBs on the board at 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zins30 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 A little info on the tags form John Clayton. I didn't realize it was able to be rescinded. If that's the case I don't see why any team wouldn't use the tag, other than creating bad blood. Q: Can you talk about the fifth-year option a little? If the 49ers pick up Aldon Smith's option, when does it become guaranteed? Do they have some time to change their mind based on his behavior or recovery? Greg in Portland, Ore. A: First-rounders from the 2011 draft are the first to experience the fifth-year option. I went into that topic last week. Here's the way it works: The top 10 players from that draft can get a fifth-year option at the transition number (the average salary of the top 10 players at their positions in the previous year) if their team makes the designation by May 3. Players selected picks 11 through 32 are tendered at the average of the fourth through 25th highest-paid players at their positions. Here is another thing to understand: These offers are guaranteed only for injury. A team can pull the option before the start of the 2015 business year. That's why I'm a little surprised the 49ers might not put the fifth-year option on Smith, whose option price is $9.754 million. If Smith avoids suspension and has a 13-sack season, San Francisco would have to consider the franchise tag to keep him, which would be $3 million more than the option tag. Other previous info from Clayton: As it turns out, the 2011 draft was great. Twelve of the top 16 picks have been to the Pro Bowl at least once. The draft was so good that the easy thing for teams to do is take the fifth-year option and deal with the situation next year. Between 20 and 23 players are expected to get the option year tag, which is guaranteed for injury only in 2015. That means, among the top-10 picks, Cam Newton could make $14.66 million next year, linebackers Aldon Smith and Von Miller could make $9.754 million, wide receivers A.J. Green and Julio Jones may bank $10.176 million, left tackle Tyron Smith $10.039 million, cornerback Patrick Peterson $10.81 million and defensive tackle Marcell Dareus $8.06 million. The rest will come in at discounted prices. Considering those draft choices were slotted at averages below $2.81 million a year, the incentive is there for the team to get the fifth year and then try to do a long-term deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 classic Florio.... there were many articles posted yesterday about teams exercising the 5th year options on their players, yet this is the only one he suggested a holdout. My guess is none of them have the talent of AJ Green and, based on position, are not getting as horribly underpaid as Green based on the average salary of a top WR in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 My guess is none of them have the talent of AJ Green and, based on position, are not getting as horribly underpaid as Green based on the average salary of a top WR in the league. Green wouldn't be horribly underpaid at 10.1 mil. The highest paid guys are probably Megatron and Fitzgerald but they had leverage from their rookie deals which wildly overpaid them, so teams had to moderately overpay them on their extensions. Pretty much everyone would agree Mike Wallace is overpaid. I'd rather have AJ than DeSean Jackson but they're getting paid similar amounts for similar production. Andre Johnson would be a good comp for a contract extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange 'n Black Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10816649/andy-dalton-says-face-cincinnati-bengals-expects-deal ESPN just posted this article which is mainly about Dalton's upcoming deal, but a line towards the end mentions that the Bengals are indeed negotiating with AJ's reps as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Green wouldn't be horribly underpaid at 10.1 mil. The highest paid guys are probably Megatron and Fitzgerald but they had leverage from their rookie deals which wildly overpaid them, so teams had to moderately overpay them on their extensions. Pretty much everyone would agree Mike Wallace is overpaid. I'd rather have AJ than DeSean Jackson but they're getting paid similar amounts for similar production. Andre Johnson would be a good comp for a contract extension. Agree. I was referring to how the new rookie pay scale works. I know it protects clubs from the inevitable busts but in the case of a guy like Green, keeps him paid low compared to similar talent. Worse is guys like Burfict and before his new contract, Geno, are/were getting paid a pittance compared to their production. In AJs case I don't think a holdout will happen but would understand if it did. He is one injury away from being set for many lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10816649/andy-dalton-says-face-cincinnati-bengals-expects-deal ESPN just posted this article which is mainly about Dalton's upcoming deal, but a line towards the end mentions that the Bengals are indeed negotiating with AJ's reps as well. I think it is rather silly for some to think the conversation hasn't been happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coup000 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 That article has the following paragraph in it... Drafted fourth overall in 2011, Green has a provision per the latest collective bargaining agreement that allows him to receive a fifth-year option in the event that the team isn't able to offer him a longer-term deal this offseason. If that option is offered -- as it is expected to be by May 3 -- then Green will play it out in 2015. He also could play 2016 as the franchise-tagged player, meaning it could be until the 2017 offseason before a long-term deal gets hammered out for him. That would be about the dumbest thing the Bengals could ever do. At that point Green and his agent would be looking forward to having the entire NFL in a bidding war over him, no way we'd be willing to pay as much as other teams by then. He needs to be locked up this offseason, next at the latest. If AJ Green's contract ever expires, he's as good as gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 That article has the following paragraph in it... Drafted fourth overall in 2011, Green has a provision per the latest collective bargaining agreement that allows him to receive a fifth-year option in the event that the team isn't able to offer him a longer-term deal this offseason. If that option is offered -- as it is expected to be by May 3 -- then Green will play it out in 2015. He also could play 2016 as the franchise-tagged player, meaning it could be until the 2017 offseason before a long-term deal gets hammered out for him. That would be about the dumbest thing the Bengals could ever do. At that point Green and his agent would be looking forward to having the entire NFL in a bidding war over him, no way we'd be willing to pay as much as other teams by then. He needs to be locked up this offseason, next at the latest. If AJ Green's contract ever expires, he's as good as gone. This exact conversation has been going on here for at least a year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange 'n Black Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 I see no reason to believe the Bengals would not be able to extend AJ Green. The fact that they have the 5th year option and the franchise tag is more incentive for him to sign earlier. It will be three years at the minimum before he ever has a chance to speak to another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 @AlbertBreer: 5th-yr options for Cards CB Patrick Peterson, #Bengals WR AJ Green, Steelers DL Cameron Heyward officially exercised today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 1 Calvin JohnsonatWide Receiver $16,207,143 2 Larry FitzgeraldatWide Receiver $16,142,857 3 Mike WallaceatWide Receiver $12,000,000 4 Dwayne BoweatWide Receiver $11,200,000 5 Vincent JacksonatWide Receiver $11,111,111 6 Percy HarvinatWide Receiver $10,707,500 7 Andre JohnsonatWide Receiver $9,685,714 8 Greg JenningsatWide Receiver $9,000,000 9 Brandon MarshallatWide Receiver $8,955,800 10 Victor CruzatWide Receiver $8,600,000 11 Pierre GarconatWide Receiver $8,500,000 12 Antonio BrownatWide Receiver $8,392,000 13 DeSean JacksonatWide Receiver $8,000,000 14 Mike WilliamsatWide Receiver $7,924,000 15 Steve SmithatWide Receiver $7,500,000 16 Marques ColstonatWide Receiver $7,260,000 17 Stevie JohnsonatWide Receiver $7,250,000 18 Eric DeckeratWide Receiver $7,250,000 19 Roddy WhiteatWide Receiver $7,120,000 20 Golden TateatWide Receiver $6,200,000 21 Brian HartlineatWide Receiver $6,155,000 22 Wes WelkeratWide Receiver $6,000,000 23 Anquan BoldinatWide Receiver $6,000,000 24 Reggie WayneatWide Receiver $5,833,333 25 Danny AmendolaatWide Receiver $5,700,000 http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/average/wide-receiver/limit-25/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A.B. Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I see no reason to believe the Bengals would not be able to extend AJ Green. The fact that they have the 5th year option and the franchise tag is more incentive for him to sign earlier. It will be three years at the minimum before he ever has a chance to speak to another team. Well if they're adamant on resigning the shitty QB who makes his life as a WR hell, and resigning him to big numbers, I wouldn't count out him wanting to test the marker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 AJ at LEAST should make more than Wallace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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