Future Center locked in?

[Shebengal]

10 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

I didn't know that but I remember that fire.  I was 10 years old and we lived in Covedale.  You could see the 

glow of the fire from our house!  We moved to Florida the next month.  (Not because of the fire!)  

I remember sitting on the stoop at my friend’s house when I heard about it. Funny what you remember.

[Inigo Montoya]

5 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Try?

 

You're absolutely right that finding good OL in the draft or as free agents is difficult. That means they have to put more effort into it, not less.

 

They seem to have found a starting OT & at least promising backup C & T/G in one draft. I would like them to continue to focus on this each offseason going forward instead of ignoring it until there are gaping holes in the roster.

 

 

It’s inaccurate to say the Bengals have “ignored “ addressing o-line, unless you don’t consider free agency.  Obviously, the track record in the draft is what it is.  The draft has been littered with busts and it has been a problem dating back multiple HC and OL coaches.  I think that’s why they have preferred free agency as a safer option, which makes sense given the track record.  I’m not saying all the free agent moves have worked but they weren’t ignoring anything.  They have added to their OL every year since the Super Bowl and I expect them to continue doing so.  

[T-Dub]

12 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

It’s inaccurate to say the Bengals have “ignored “ addressing o-line, unless you don’t consider free agency.  Obviously, the track record in the draft is what it is.  The draft has been littered with busts and it has been a problem dating back multiple HC and OL coaches.  I think that’s why they have preferred free agency as a safer option, which makes sense given the track record.  I’m not saying all the free agent moves have worked but they weren’t ignoring anything.  They have added to their OL every year since the Super Bowl and I expect them to continue doing so.  

 

I guess the question then is did they suddenly get better at it & how, or was it just dumb luck?

[esjbh2]

11 hours ago, High School Harry said:

OT (not so) fun fact... Did you know Jeff Ruby survived the Beverley Hills Supper Club fire?

Carry on...

 

At least up until a few years ago (maybe still does)...but Jeff was employing the BH Supper Club busboy that he credited with helping save his life that night.

 

11 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

I didn't know that but I remember that fire.  I was 10 years old and we lived in Covedale.  You could see the 

glow of the fire from our house!  We moved to Florida the next month.  (Not because of the fire!)  

 

Small world...I lived in Covedale at that time too...not far from the corner of Rapid Run Rd and Covedale Ave.  Mully lived in that same area too IIRC.  Anyway, I just remember that my parents were out with friends that night but I didn't know where...I was so happy when they got home later that night and they were oblivious to the tragedy.

[Inigo Montoya]

19 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

I guess the question then is did they suddenly get better at it & how, or was it just dumb luck?

I wish I knew.  There’s no guarantees and I’m sure luck is involved with at least some of it.  
 

For Lee specifically, I think he was considered undersized as a draft prospect which is why he slipped.  His actual performance was pretty good according to PFF, particularly his last two seasons at UCF and then Miami.  I guess I would say they were a bit lucky to get him as late as they did. 

[-GoBengals-]

15 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

The "incredible" line you mention consisted of 1st round pick LT, Tyron Smith, a top 10 pick that slid LG Lael Collins, 1st round pick at C, Travis Frederick, 1st round pick at RG, Zach Martin and a 7 year vet at RT, Doug Free!  Basically 4 first round picks and a solid vet.  That's more a case of being in the right place at the right time more than good/great coaching!  He was an asst. OL coach with the Texans for 5 seasons.  How were those lines?  2 seasons as the Jets OL coach.  Not exactly known for great OL play.  93 sacks in 2 seasons.  2012 Raiders.  So his "good history", consists of 3 seasons with basically 4 first round picks and a 7 year vet. The Cowboys let him walk!   Last year we had all 5 OL start all 17 games how did that turn out?  4 of the 5 still here with Trent Brown and Mims added.  As far as Burrow taking a sack instead of risking a bad throw or fumbling, ask yourself why that is.  Could of been the WR running the wrong route?  Sure! Just as likely though it could have been poor pass protection!  If the OL play doesn't improve this year, I'm not "willing to take on this theory a little more".  I'm looking for a new OL Coach!  A good OL Coach can develop lesser talented players.  He's not done that here unless you want to hang his hat on Volson.  The vets that come in on the OL have taken steps backwards.  Guess whose shoulders that falls on?  So unless we draft OL in the 1st round and hit on them in the next 2 or 3 drafts were fucked!  lol  Regardless, Burrow will be lucky to finish out his current contract at the rate things are going and it's Pollack's job and responsibility to protect him!  

 

so you made my point for me? good coaches need good players. we have all seem bad coaches ruin good players.. but the mythical coach that makes jon kitna be tom brady has never existed.

 

so youre asking how the texans lines were in 2007 when frank pollack was an assistant to the OL coach as some sort of reasoning for something?

 

Just link me to the OL coach who has a long stretch of great OL ratings across the board with a bunch of mid and late round only picks and im on board.

 

joe isnt gonna finish his contract eh? well then he isnt durable enough to be in the nfl, which would be a bummer. Because there arent too many teams with a higher ranked set of individuals (except volson who sucks) out there. what im saying is, we aarent like the bottom 10 pass blocking oline unit. 

 

its not frank pollacks job to protect him. what delusion. franks job consists of the following:

 

1. make every player he has as game ready as possible mentally.

2. work with strength team on whats needed from them in the scheme they decide to run along sid the OC/QB coach/ Run game plan.

3. Identify weaknesses in the linemen, and workto hide and protect those weaknesses with scheme and sets that do so with the OC, etc.

4. act tough as he is the coach of the tough guys.

 

 

there isnt a single other thing he can do..... his job to protect him... get out of here.. i swear the % of fanbases who think sports on made for tv movies and cliche sports quotes is bananas. he has an office and a computer and has meetings, i really think i chunk of people in here thinks all he does is yell and break glass in practice and smack shoulderpads or soemthing.

[T-Dub]

2 hours ago, GoBengals said:

 

we aarent like the bottom 10 pass blocking oline unit. 

 

 

 

The numbers say otherwise.  Tied for 7th worst last year, tied at #11 the year before, 3rd worst the year before that... We can blame Burrow as though he's the only QB to sometimes hold onto the ball a little too long, but they've allowed a ton of sacks. Have to go back to 2018 for a better ranking.

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-sacks-allowed-2023-by-team

 

(you can change the year in the URL all the way back to 1968 or before)

 

[Le Tigre]

5 hours ago, GoBengals said:

joe isnt gonna finish his contract eh? well then he isnt durable enough to be in the nfl, which would be a bummer.

I have said this more times than I have hairs on my head…but few wish to acknowledge it: part of St Joseph’s problems with getting hit is his lack of pocket awareness. His escape abilities are marginal. He is very good at maintaining downfield concentration, but he doesn’t have the “feel the pressure” instincts. Hence, he gets hit more…and more directly.

[Randle P McMurphy]

11 hours ago, esjbh2 said:

 

At least up until a few years ago (maybe still does)...but Jeff was employing the BH Supper Club busboy that he credited with helping save his life that night.

 

 

Small world...I lived in Covedale at that time too...not far from the corner of Rapid Run Rd and Covedale Ave.  Mully lived in that same area too IIRC.  Anyway, I just remember that my parents were out with friends that night but I didn't know where...I was so happy when they got home later that night and they were oblivious to the tragedy.

 

Yeah you and I had talked about this previously a long time ago.  I lived on Rapid Run 5 houses up from Covedale Ave towards Benz.  5040 Rapid Run.  

You lived on Benz if I remember right!  

[Randle P McMurphy]

7 hours ago, GoBengals said:

 

so you made my point for me? good coaches need good players. we have all seem bad coaches ruin good players.. but the mythical coach that makes jon kitna be tom brady has never existed.

 

so youre asking how the texans lines were in 2007 when frank pollack was an assistant to the OL coach as some sort of reasoning for something?

 

Just link me to the OL coach who has a long stretch of great OL ratings across the board with a bunch of mid and late round only picks and im on board.

 

joe isnt gonna finish his contract eh? well then he isnt durable enough to be in the nfl, which would be a bummer. Because there arent too many teams with a higher ranked set of individuals (except volson who sucks) out there. what im saying is, we aarent like the bottom 10 pass blocking oline unit. 

 

its not frank pollacks job to protect him. what delusion. franks job consists of the following:

 

1. make every player he has as game ready as possible mentally.

2. work with strength team on whats needed from them in the scheme they decide to run along sid the OC/QB coach/ Run game plan.

3. Identify weaknesses in the linemen, and workto hide and protect those weaknesses with scheme and sets that do so with the OC, etc.

4. act tough as he is the coach of the tough guys.

 

 

there isnt a single other thing he can do..... his job to protect him... get out of here.. i swear the % of fanbases who think sports on made for tv movies and cliche sports quotes is bananas. he has an office and a computer and has meetings, i really think i chunk of people in here thinks all he does is yell and break glass in practice and smack shoulderpads or soemthing.

 

Walking into and having basically 4 first round picks and a 7 year vet is an anomaly.  Rarely does a coach have that at

his disposal.  My point was he really hasn't had success anywhere other than Dallas!  

The OL's job is to protect the QB on pass plays and open holes for the RB on run plays.  It's the OL coaches job to see that they do that.

They're failing at protecting the QB or Burrow wouldn't be the most sacked QB 2 years in a row then end up out for the season in 2023.

I'm not expecting him to take a Jon Kitna type and turn him into Brady but at least develop a player to be better than when they got here!

Develop a system that at least cuts down the sacks by even a little!  His 2 years with the Jets the QB got sacked 93 times.  You'd think he'd 

realize that when he got to Cincinnati and maybe try something different but the results were the same or even worse!  

 

 

 

[esjbh2]

12 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

Yeah you and I had talked about this previously a long time ago.  I lived on Rapid Run 5 houses up from Covedale Ave towards Benz.  5040 Rapid Run.  

You lived on Benz if I remember right!  

 

Oh crap...I hadn't remembered that, but now it does right a bell...and yes, you're correct, I was on Benz.  Actually, I may be getting you and Mully mixed up in terms of location.

 

[Jamie_B]

14 hours ago, Le Tigre said:

I have said this more times than I have hairs on my head…but few wish to acknowledge it: part of St Joseph’s problems with getting hit is his lack of pocket awareness. His escape abilities are marginal. He is very good at maintaining downfield concentration, but he doesn’t have the “feel the pressure” instincts. Hence, he gets hit more…and more directly.

 

 

[Le Tigre]

6 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

Watch some film. Tell me he’s as good escaping pressure as Kermit…or even Allen? 

[claptonrocks]

15 hours ago, Le Tigre said:

I have said this more times than I have hairs on my head…but few wish to acknowledge it: part of St Joseph’s problems with getting hit is his lack of pocket awareness. His escape abilities are marginal. He is very good at maintaining downfield concentration, but he doesn’t have the “feel the pressure” instincts. Hence, he gets hit more…and more directly.

I'll have to disagree with you.

I've watched him get out of jams to make plays many times.

 

Would you not think after all this time behind mediocre matadors he's learned pocket awareness?

 

[Le Tigre]

2 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

I'll have to disagree with you.

I've watched him get out of jams to make plays many times.

 

Would you not think after all this time behind mediocre matadors he's learned pocket awareness?

 

You see what you wish to see…because your belief in his perfection is perfect. 
 

Blaming the line is too easy. Watch some film. He still needs work. 

[claptonrocks]

9 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

You see what you wish to see…because your belief in his perfection is perfect. 
 

Blaming the line is too easy. Watch some film. He still needs work. 

Ok..

BTW

Liverpool plays Notn Forrest at 10am 

Sunday.

Scratch that..Sept 14..

 

[KA14_HOF]

1 hour ago, claptonrocks said:

Ok..

BTW

Liverpool plays Notn Forrest at 10am 

Sunday.

Scratch that..Sept 14..

 

There are LFC fans here?

[-GoBengals-]

21 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

The numbers say otherwise.  Tied for 7th worst last year, tied at #11 the year before, 3rd worst the year before that... We can blame Burrow as though he's the only QB to sometimes hold onto the ball a little too long, but they've allowed a ton of sacks. Have to go back to 2018 for a better ranking.

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-sacks-allowed-2023-by-team

 

(you can change the year in the URL all the way back to 1968 or before)

 

 

sacks allowed doesnt really tell the story, as we have discssed a gang of times around here. how many sakcs did mixon give up? how many sacks did joe take because he couldnt even move in the pocket for 6 games?

 

i mean there is a literal list of where each guy is ranked among their peers at positions. only volson is an embarrassment. which no one wants to talk about for some reason.

[Le Tigre]

7 hours ago, KA14_HOF said:

There are LFC fans here?

Me and SF2

[Le Tigre]

8 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

Liverpool plays Notn Forrest at 10am 

Sunday.

Scratch that..Sept 14..

Thanks. Have to get past Man United this Sunday though at their place, and that has never been easy 

[KA14_HOF]

12 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

Me and SF2

Very cool. I've been an LFC fan since '97. Saw them in a 4-3 thriller over Newcastle, with Fowler heading home the winner right at the death. Been hooked ever since.

[Le Tigre]

36 minutes ago, KA14_HOF said:

Very cool. I've been an LFC fan since '97. Saw them in a 4-3 thriller over Newcastle, with Fowler heading home the winner right at the death. Been hooked ever since.

Loved Jamie! Had a jersey with his name/number, but I “outgrew” it. 😀

[Randle P McMurphy]

11 hours ago, esjbh2 said:

 

Oh crap...I hadn't remembered that, but now it does right a bell...and yes, you're correct, I was on Benz.  Actually, I may be getting you and Mully mixed up in terms of location.

 

 

I think Mully was up around Western Hills, maybe around the high school.  

[Jamie_B]

11 hours ago, Le Tigre said:

Watch some film. Tell me he’s as good escaping pressure as Kermit…or even Allen? 

 

I won't sat Kermit, the Allen thing is because that dude is hard to take down not so much his escapeability. 

 

But I strongly disagree he doesn't have pocket awareness.

 

Andy Dalton didn't have pocket awareness 

[Jamie_B]

11 hours ago, Le Tigre said:

You see what you wish to see…because your belief in his perfection is perfect. 
 

Blaming the line is too easy. Watch some film. He still needs work. 

 

The work he needs is getting comfortable under center and being able to see and diagnos plays under center.