"Every team is dealing with injuries"....

[-GoBengals-]

People seem to think (or use the excuse for some weird crybaby take) that the bengals just have normal injuries and no big deal, everyone does.

 

Yes, every team deals with injuries, but every team deals with injuries like the offense has. Tee missed some games, shit happens, Lost a promising well rounded TE for the season, shit happens, tackles have missed a couple games, thats the NFL for ya..thats the "everyone has injuries" level of injuries. 

 

but the defense is next level.

 

Games missed by your starters and your key rotation/formation guys. Adding rest of games for those out for season.

 

Hubbard - 3.5

Jackson - 4

Rankins - 10

Jenkins - 2

BJ Hill - 2

Myles Murphy - 4

Cam Sample - 17

** thats 42.5 games at the first 3 DL positions ** (25.5 still if you want remove sample but he did average 20 snaps a game last year)

Wilson - 6

Dax Hill - 12.5

Turner - 6

Hilton - 1

 

 

so if no one who isnt already out for the season doesnt miss any games, thats 68 games missed by starters and heavy snap rotation players.

 

thats 4 players per game average out on defense. and in the first 4 weeks, there were games we were missing 4 defensive linemen. out of a 6-7 man rotation.

 

 

please tell me you guys dont think its normal for teams to have 11 of their 18 starters/rotation heavy snap players miss nearly 70 fucking games... right?

 

like you do see this as a fluke "fuck the injury bug hit a bit this year, that sure didnt help things on defense, obviously other issues, but that sure didnt fucking help"  right?

 

[|High School Harry|]

Why is Sheldon Rankins not on IR much less than why is he still on the team?

 

[Jamie_B]

The guys on the O side of the ball have been just as injured, we lost a TE and RB for the year, Tee has been out for number of games, OBJ too. Cappa and Mimms have missed game time, and Mimms wasn't supposed to be the starter because the guy in front of him was lost for the year early. The difference between the O and D injuries is that the D doesn't have nearly the talent the O does so it become much more difficult to over come those injuries.

 

This isn't a injury thing, it's a complete lack of talent on that side of the ball.

[T-Dub]

3 minutes ago, High School Harry said:

Why is Sheldon Rankins not on IR much less than why is he still on the team?

 

 

Whose idea was it to sign him in the first place

[dex]

53 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

People seem to think (or use the excuse for some weird crybaby take) that the bengals just have normal injuries and no big deal, everyone does.

 

Yes, every team deals with injuries, but every team deals with injuries like the offense has. Tee missed some games, shit happens, Lost a promising well rounded TE for the season, shit happens, tackles have missed a couple games, thats the NFL for ya..thats the "everyone has injuries" level of injuries. 

 

but the defense is next level.

 

Games missed by your starters and your key rotation/formation guys. Adding rest of games for those out for season.

 

Hubbard - 3.5

Jackson - 4

Rankins - 10

Jenkins - 2

BJ Hill - 2

Myles Murphy - 4

Cam Sample - 17

** thats 42.5 games at the first 3 DL positions ** (25.5 still if you want remove sample but he did average 20 snaps a game last year)

Wilson - 6

Dax Hill - 12.5

Turner - 6

Hilton - 1

 

 

so if no one who isnt already out for the season doesnt miss any games, thats 68 games missed by starters and heavy snap rotation players.

 

thats 4 players per game average out on defense. and in the first 4 weeks, there were games we were missing 4 defensive linemen. out of a 6-7 man rotation.

 

 

please tell me you guys dont think its normal for teams to have 11 of their 18 starters/rotation heavy snap players miss nearly 70 fucking games... right?

 

like you do see this as a fluke "fuck the injury bug hit a bit this year, that sure didnt help things on defense, obviously other issues, but that sure didnt fucking help"  right?

 

Still much better on the injury front than the Detroit Lions, who have a whopping 22 players (many starters/stars) on IR right now.

 

Yet Detroit already has 13 wins against only 2 losses this season.

[LostInDaJungle]

Cam Sample makes up 17 of those games, almost half... Sure, this defense was just one Cam Sample away from it all. If only Miles Murphy hadn't missed 4 games. Jay Tufele allowed 500 yards on dump offs over the middle.

I mean - Rankins and Sample make up 27 of those 42 games missed. There's no evidence that either player would have made a difference. Rankins is harder to judge, but a healthy Cam Sample was never a difference maker.

Why make a playoff run when you can make excuses instead??



The team with the most minutes lost to injury is the Lions, especially on defense. #10 defense in the league.

And yes, we're even a little on the high side for injuries... How does that change getting our asses handed to us by New England? A game that would have us in the playoffs right now?

[Randle P McMurphy]

3 hours ago, GoBengals said:

People seem to think (or use the excuse for some weird crybaby take) that the bengals just have normal injuries and no big deal, everyone does.

 

Yes, every team deals with injuries, but every team deals with injuries like the offense has. Tee missed some games, shit happens, Lost a promising well rounded TE for the season, shit happens, tackles have missed a couple games, thats the NFL for ya..thats the "everyone has injuries" level of injuries. 

 

but the defense is next level.

 

Games missed by your starters and your key rotation/formation guys. Adding rest of games for those out for season.

 

Hubbard - 3.5

Jackson - 4

Rankins - 10

Jenkins - 2

BJ Hill - 2

Myles Murphy - 4

Cam Sample - 17

** thats 42.5 games at the first 3 DL positions ** (25.5 still if you want remove sample but he did average 20 snaps a game last year)

Wilson - 6

Dax Hill - 12.5

Turner - 6

Hilton - 1

 

 

so if no one who isnt already out for the season doesnt miss any games, thats 68 games missed by starters and heavy snap rotation players.

 

thats 4 players per game average out on defense. and in the first 4 weeks, there were games we were missing 4 defensive linemen. out of a 6-7 man rotation.

 

 

please tell me you guys dont think its normal for teams to have 11 of their 18 starters/rotation heavy snap players miss nearly 70 fucking games... right?

 

like you do see this as a fluke "fuck the injury bug hit a bit this year, that sure didnt help things on defense, obviously other issues, but that sure didnt fucking help"  right?

 

Lions have 21 players on I.R.  16 of those on defense.  8 on the DL alone.  

• *DE Aidan Hutchinson (broken leg).
• *DT Alim McNeill (knee, ACL).
• *DT Kyle Peko (pectoral).
• *DE Marcus Davenport (triceps).
• DE John Cominsky (knee, MCL).
• *DT Mekhi Wingo (knee).
• *DE Nate Lynn (shoulder).
• *DT David Bada (Achilles).
• LB Alex Anzalone (broken arm).
• *LB Derrick Barnes (knee, PCL and MCL).
• LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin (shoulder).
• *LB Malcolm Rodriguez (knee, ACL).
• CB Carlton Davis (fractured jaw).
• CB Ennis Rakestraw Jr. (hamstring).
• *CB Khalil Dorsey (ankle).
• S Ifeatu Melifonwu (broken finger).
• WR Kalif Raymond (foot).
• *WR Antoine Green (brain).
• *OL Conner Galvin (knee).
• *OL Netane Muti (shoulder).
• *K Michael Badgley (hamstring).

 

[claptonrocks]

25 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

Lions have 21 players on I.R.  16 of those on defense.  8 on the DL alone.  

• *DE Aidan Hutchinson (broken leg).
• *DT Alim McNeill (knee, ACL).
• *DT Kyle Peko (pectoral).
• *DE Marcus Davenport (triceps).
• DE John Cominsky (knee, MCL).
• *DT Mekhi Wingo (knee).
• *DE Nate Lynn (shoulder).
• *DT David Bada (Achilles).
• LB Alex Anzalone (broken arm).
• *LB Derrick Barnes (knee, PCL and MCL).
• LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin (shoulder).
• *LB Malcolm Rodriguez (knee, ACL).
• CB Carlton Davis (fractured jaw).
• CB Ennis Rakestraw Jr. (hamstring).
• *CB Khalil Dorsey (ankle).
• S Ifeatu Melifonwu (broken finger).
• WR Kalif Raymond (foot).
• *WR Antoine Green (brain).
• *OL Conner Galvin (knee).
• *OL Netane Muti (shoulder).
• *K Michael Badgley (hamstring).

 

They have a great offense left by their Oline

 

[-GoBengals-]

3 hours ago, High School Harry said:

Why is Sheldon Rankins not on IR much less than why is he still on the team?

 

 

not sure how that works, can you put someone on IR for a viral/bacterial infection keeping them off the field? and cutting him would be fairly pointless along with it being probably against some CBA NFLPA rule cutting him while sick, possicly opening them up to an injury settlment though that may only be for football related injuries... so not sure on those rules. 

 

3 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

The guys on the O side of the ball have been just as injured, we lost a TE and RB for the year, Tee has been out for number of games, OBJ too. Cappa and Mimms have missed game time, and Mimms wasn't supposed to be the starter because the guy in front of him was lost for the year early. The difference between the O and D injuries is that the D doesn't have nearly the talent the O does so it become much more difficult to over come those injuries.

 

This isn't a injury thing, it's a complete lack of talent on that side of the ball.

 

not nearly as injured, you can count mims or brown but not both, its not a rotational position, so at RT you got like 1-2 games, at LT got like 2-3 games, Tee you got what 5? Moss will be 8-9, All will be 8. so youre not really even getting to half of the games missed on defense.

 

3 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Whose idea was it to sign him in the first place

 

seems like a solid veteran to have in rotation, i think the only breakdown to can make of guys on the DL from this years injury rotations is "did the young guys improve as the season went on" and "are the vets worth having back, if so at what cost per year" like rankins can go, BJ hill can go but for like 5-6mil id have him back as a rotation guy.

 

 

2 hours ago, dex said:

Still much better on the injury front than the Detroit Lions, who have a whopping 22 players (many starters/stars) on IR right now.

 

Yet Detroit already has 13 wins against only 2 losses this season.

 

2 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said:

Cam Sample makes up 17 of those games, almost half... Sure, this defense was just one Cam Sample away from it all. If only Miles Murphy hadn't missed 4 games. Jay Tufele allowed 500 yards on dump offs over the middle.

I mean - Rankins and Sample make up 27 of those 42 games missed. There's no evidence that either player would have made a difference. Rankins is harder to judge, but a healthy Cam Sample was never a difference maker.

Why make a playoff run when you can make excuses instead??



The team with the most minutes lost to injury is the Lions, especially on defense. #10 defense in the league.

And yes, we're even a little on the high side for injuries... How does that change getting our asses handed to us by New England? A game that would have us in the playoffs right now?

 

14 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

Lions have 21 players on I.R.  16 of those on defense.  8 on the DL alone.  

• *DE Aidan Hutchinson (broken leg).
• *DT Alim McNeill (knee, ACL).
• *DT Kyle Peko (pectoral).
• *DE Marcus Davenport (triceps).
• DE John Cominsky (knee, MCL).
• *DT Mekhi Wingo (knee).
• *DE Nate Lynn (shoulder).
• *DT David Bada (Achilles).
• LB Alex Anzalone (broken arm).
• *LB Derrick Barnes (knee, PCL and MCL).
• LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin (shoulder).
• *LB Malcolm Rodriguez (knee, ACL).
• CB Carlton Davis (fractured jaw).
• CB Ennis Rakestraw Jr. (hamstring).
• *CB Khalil Dorsey (ankle).
• S Ifeatu Melifonwu (broken finger).
• WR Kalif Raymond (foot).
• *WR Antoine Green (brain).
• *OL Conner Galvin (knee).
• *OL Netane Muti (shoulder).
• *K Michael Badgley (hamstring).

 

 

 

lets see:

 

• *DE Aidan Hutchinson (broken leg). - 11 games
• *DT Alim McNeill (knee, ACL). - 2 games
• *DT Kyle Peko (pectoral). - 12 games (had 87 snaps in  games, didnt play well in game one and got maybe 10 snaps a game thereafeter)
• *DE Marcus Davenport (triceps). - 15 games
• DE John Cominsky (knee, MCL). - was injured 2 months before the season started
• *DT Mekhi Wingo (knee). - 5 games
• *DE Nate Lynn (shoulder). - undrafted free agent who has never played ever - get fucked
• *DT David Bada (Achilles).  - a 30 yr old international pathways player who has never played was injured in july and waived. gtfo
• LB Alex Anzalone (broken arm). - 7 games
• *LB Derrick Barnes (knee, PCL and MCL). - 14 games
• LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin (shoulder). - 9 games, he is a backup who got hurt. he wanst getting any snaps before someone else went down.
• *LB Malcolm Rodriguez (knee, ACL). - 5 games
• CB Carlton Davis (fractured jaw). 3 games
• CB Ennis Rakestraw Jr. (hamstring). - 7 games, but he didnt play, averages 5 snaps a game. a teams player
• *CB Khalil Dorsey (ankle). - special teams player. 
• S Ifeatu Melifonwu (broken finger).  - this guy has played 19 games in 2022, 2023, and 2024 combined. played one game this season, last week.

 

if we want a cool dramatic list, i can go grab Joe Batchie off our IR list and start adding up offseason cuts who were IR/waived as well.. my list is real players who get real snaps and are part of the defense gameplan. not David Bada who doesnt apepar to have ever got a real nfl jersey in his life.

 

adding up the like-quality players they are at around 62-65 games missed.

 

which is fine and dandy.. but as i clearly stated, our team id structured to have a mid level defense the lions are geared to have a top 3 defense.

 

so their injureis dropped them from a likely top 3 defense, to a still top 10 defense.  however, one that gave up 96 points in the last 3 games, a game including the BEARS in it. thats 32 PPG...  might be a sign that the injuries have caught up wit them as well. 

 

 

[Jamie_B]

29 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

 

not nearly as injured, you can count mims or brown but not both, its not a rotational position, so at RT you got like 1-2 games, at LT got like 2-3 games, Tee you got what 5? Moss will be 8-9, All will be 8. so youre not really even getting to half of the games missed on defense.

 

 

OBJ has played 9 games so far, assuming he plays the next two he will have missed 8 games, that's almost half a season.

 

Tee has missed 5 games.

 

Erick All played 9 games, and will have missed 8, that's almost half a season.

 

When you lose your starters that counts even if the backup was someone you were planning on taking over eventually. So Brown going down and Mims taking over counts as the whole season for Brown, Brown played 3 games. Mims missed most of last week.

 

Zack Moss was the starter, he played 8 games, that's more than half a season lost. Chase Brown has done the job. 

 

In fact that we lost Brown and Moss at RT and RB and the guys behind them stepped up and are playing well kind of makes my point here. There is much more talent on the O side of the ball that we guys go down it doesn't hurt as much. We we can not afford to lose Defensive starters, even when those starters are mediocre. (see Dax Hill) because there isn't talent on that side of the ball.

[dex]

Spin it any way you want, but Cincinnati does not have a single win against a team with a winning record. Only have 2 home wins against 5 home losses. Guess it's a good thing they are playing a last place schedule. And why are they playing a last place schedule this year? Because they finished last season in last place - with fewer injuries to contend with - and the NFL likes to take pity on the also-ran teams. Don't want to give them too much of an obstacle to overcome the following season.

[sparky151]

7 hours ago, GoBengals said:

People seem to think (or use the excuse for some weird crybaby take) that the bengals just have normal injuries and no big deal, everyone does.

 

Yes, every team deals with injuries, but every team deals with injuries like the offense has. Tee missed some games, shit happens, Lost a promising well rounded TE for the season, shit happens, tackles have missed a couple games, thats the NFL for ya..thats the "everyone has injuries" level of injuries. 

 

but the defense is next level.

 

Games missed by your starters and your key rotation/formation guys. Adding rest of games for those out for season.

 

Hubbard - 3.5

Jackson - 4

Rankins - 10

Jenkins - 2

BJ Hill - 2

Myles Murphy - 4

Cam Sample - 17

** thats 42.5 games at the first 3 DL positions ** (25.5 still if you want remove sample but he did average 20 snaps a game last year)

Wilson - 6

Dax Hill - 12.5

Turner - 6

Hilton - 1

 

 

so if no one who isnt already out for the season doesnt miss any games, thats 68 games missed by starters and heavy snap rotation players.

 

thats 4 players per game average out on defense. and in the first 4 weeks, there were games we were missing 4 defensive linemen. out of a 6-7 man rotation.

 

 

please tell me you guys dont think its normal for teams to have 11 of their 18 starters/rotation heavy snap players miss nearly 70 fucking games... right?

 

like you do see this as a fluke "fuck the injury bug hit a bit this year, that sure didnt help things on defense, obviously other issues, but that sure didnt fucking help"  right?

 

 

We were most shorthanded early in the year. We didn't lose to the Ravens, Chargers, and Stealers because of injuries, we lost because our vets couldn't cover the other team's pass catchers. Hilton is washed, Pratt plays like he doesn't care. It's pretty obvious where we can be attacked. Double team Hendrickson and pass a lot is a solid game plan vs the Bengals if the opponent isn't starting a Rush, Levis, or DTR caliber QB. 

 

2 hours ago, GoBengals said:

 

not sure how that works, can you put someone on IR for a viral/bacterial infection keeping them off the field? and cutting him would be fairly pointless along with it being probably against some CBA NFLPA rule cutting him while sick, possicly opening them up to an injury settlment though that may only be for football related injuries... so not sure on those rules. 

 

 

not nearly as injured, you can count mims or brown but not both, its not a rotational position, so at RT you got like 1-2 games, at LT got like 2-3 games, Tee you got what 5? Moss will be 8-9, All will be 8. so youre not really even getting to half of the games missed on defense.

 

 

seems like a solid veteran to have in rotation, i think the only breakdown to can make of guys on the DL from this years injury rotations is "did the young guys improve as the season went on" and "are the vets worth having back, if so at what cost per year" like rankins can go, BJ hill can go but for like 5-6mil id have him back as a rotation guy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

lets see:

 

• *DE Aidan Hutchinson (broken leg). - 11 games
• *DT Alim McNeill (knee, ACL). - 2 games
• *DT Kyle Peko (pectoral). - 12 games (had 87 snaps in  games, didnt play well in game one and got maybe 10 snaps a game thereafeter)
• *DE Marcus Davenport (triceps). - 15 games
• DE John Cominsky (knee, MCL). - was injured 2 months before the season started
• *DT Mekhi Wingo (knee). - 5 games
• *DE Nate Lynn (shoulder). - undrafted free agent who has never played ever - get fucked
• *DT David Bada (Achilles).  - a 30 yr old international pathways player who has never played was injured in july and waived. gtfo
• LB Alex Anzalone (broken arm). - 7 games
• *LB Derrick Barnes (knee, PCL and MCL). - 14 games
• LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin (shoulder). - 9 games, he is a backup who got hurt. he wanst getting any snaps before someone else went down.
• *LB Malcolm Rodriguez (knee, ACL). - 5 games
• CB Carlton Davis (fractured jaw). 3 games
• CB Ennis Rakestraw Jr. (hamstring). - 7 games, but he didnt play, averages 5 snaps a game. a teams player
• *CB Khalil Dorsey (ankle). - special teams player. 
• S Ifeatu Melifonwu (broken finger).  - this guy has played 19 games in 2022, 2023, and 2024 combined. played one game this season, last week.

 

if we want a cool dramatic list, i can go grab Joe Batchie off our IR list and start adding up offseason cuts who were IR/waived as well.. my list is real players who get real snaps and are part of the defense gameplan. not David Bada who doesnt apepar to have ever got a real nfl jersey in his life.

 

adding up the like-quality players they are at around 62-65 games missed.

 

which is fine and dandy.. but as i clearly stated, our team id structured to have a mid level defense the lions are geared to have a top 3 defense.

 

so their injureis dropped them from a likely top 3 defense, to a still top 10 defense.  however, one that gave up 96 points in the last 3 games, a game including the BEARS in it. thats 32 PPG...  might be a sign that the injuries have caught up wit them as well. 

 

 

 

Yes, guys with illness can go on IR. They usually don't since IR requires them to miss 4 weeks. 

 

The Lions loss of Hutchinson and Davenport alone is more talent gone for them than all of our D-line injuries. And the Lions have been investing in their defense in hopes of getting it to average, same as us. They had no expectations for a top 3 defense.

 

 

[|SF2|]

All the defensive injury analysis can’t explain the 0-3 start and loss to the Patriots other than the team was unprepared to play.  
 

And how the Chase and Higgins contract situation was handled pre season has nothing to do with defensive injuries either. 

[T-Dub]

17 hours ago, GoBengals said:

 

 

seems like a solid veteran to have in rotation, i think the only breakdown to can make of guys on the DL from this years injury rotations is "did the young guys improve as the season went on" and "are the vets worth having back, if so at what cost per year" like rankins can go, BJ hill can go but for like 5-6mil id have him back as a rotation guy.

 

 

 

He does? Based on what? He was signed to be the starting NT and looked like boiled ass in the few games he's played. He had a history of being injured. It was not a good signing.

 

His backup was a late 3rd round pick. He looks like he might be pretty good eventually, but he was not ready to take over this year.

 

These were all decisions someone made.

 

[Randle P McMurphy]

19 hours ago, GoBengals said:

 

if we want a cool dramatic list, i can go grab Joe Batchie off our IR list and start adding up offseason cuts who were IR/waived as well.. my list is real players who get real snaps and are part of the defense gameplan. not David Bada who doesnt apepar to have ever got a real nfl jersey in his life.

 

adding up the like-quality players they are at around 62-65 games missed.

 

which is fine and dandy.. but as i clearly stated, our team id structured to have a mid level defense the lions are geared to have a top 3 defense.

 

so their injureis dropped them from a likely top 3 defense, to a still top 10 defense.  however, one that gave up 96 points in the last 3 games, a game including the BEARS in it. thats 32 PPG...  might be a sign that the injuries have caught up wit them as well. 

 

 

It's funny how you accuse others of making up shit then turn around and do it yourself.  How do you know the Lions are geared to have

a top 3 defense?  The Bengals have, what is it, the 4th most expensive DL in the league yet it's structured to be a mid level defense?!  Yeah,

I'm sure during team meetings in training camp Lou was informed his defense was only expected to be a middle of the road defense because

the Bengals brass structured it that way.  lol  If that's the case, as you say, he's failed miserably and should be at the least, held accountable

if not fired because they aren't even close to being a mid level defense but a historically bad defense!  

[Randle P McMurphy]

20 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

They have a great offense left by their Oline

 

 

The Bengals have a great offense as well and their defense hasn't been hit as bad with injuries as the Lions defense.

What's the difference?  Coaching!  From top to bottom.  

[Jamie_B]

8 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

The Bengals have a great offense as well and their defense hasn't been hit as bad with injuries as the Lions defense.

What's the difference?  Coaching!  From top to bottom.  

 

They have alot more talent on the defense than we do.

[Randle P McMurphy]

5 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

They have alot more talent on the defense than we do.

 

More talent that's on I.R. which is where the better coaching comes into play.  

[Jamie_B]

1 minute ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

More talent that's on I.R. which is where the better coaching comes into play.  

 

Even with all their IR guys, they have a few guys that are still good in Smith and Reader, we have Trey Hendrickson.

[claptonrocks]

1 hour ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

The Bengals have a great offense as well and their defense hasn't been hit as bad with injuries as the Lions defense.

What's the difference?  Coaching!  From top to bottom.  

 

You ever look at th Lions Oline?

They have a1-2 punch at RB.

They still have Reader to clog gaps.

But have it your way.

 

 

[Randle P McMurphy]

1 minute ago, claptonrocks said:

 

You ever look at th Lions Oline?

They have a1-2 punch at RB.

They still have Reader to clog gaps.

But have it your way.

 

 

 

 

Yeah the Lions have a better OL.  Better coaching.  Our FA OL have regressed since signing with the Bengals.

David Montgomery tore his MCL and is out.

Bengals were still horrible against the run in Reader's last 2 seasons with the Bengals.

I'll have it with everything minus the cheese please and thank you!  😁

 

[claptonrocks]

37 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

 

Yeah the Lions have a better OL.  Better coaching.  Our FA OL have regressed since signing with the Bengals.

David Montgomery tore his MCL and is out.

Bengals were still horrible against the run in Reader's last 2 seasons with the Bengals.

I'll have it with everything minus the cheese please and thank you!  😁

 

😊