|kennethmw| Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/ns/politics/ Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Reports now saying that she may not be dead, however seems she was shot point blank in head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [quote name='kennethmw' timestamp='1294516680' post='960073'] Reports now saying that she may not be dead, however seems she was shot point blank in head. [/quote] Says she is in surgery and in critical condition... Her and her family has my prayers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dan_Bengals_FL- Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Shooter is a 22-year-old named Jared Lee Loughner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Dan_Bengals_FL- Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 This is reportedly his Youtube channel. Have no idea if it's true, but it's weird stuff: http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/a/u/0/7uRjwPWaxiY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 This is creepy I googled his name and this came up http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 A 9 year old child was killed.... ...and some wonder why there is a death penalty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [quote name='Tigers Johnson' timestamp='1294521145' post='960099'] A 9 year old child was killed.... ...and some wonder why there is a death penalty! [/quote] Shit, Death Penalty might be to easy for this MF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I still wonder why there is a death penalty. If you want to start a new thread I would love to discuss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoBengal Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Horrible story, obviously. This hits close to home for me because it happened very near my old home in Tucson, AND the shooter went to the same high school I did (just much later). Plus, I know people who have associates who were involved, including one aide who was shot in the wrist. Nauseating. Sadly, this won't cut down the rhetoric that basically runs politics these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Wow, a nutjob born every minute. This is simply sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John~Galt Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 [quote name='ChicagoBengal' timestamp='1294526068' post='960126'] Horrible story, obviously. This hits close to home for me because it happened very near my old home in Tucson, AND the shooter went to the same high school I did (just much later). Plus, I know people who have associates who were involved, including one aide who was shot in the wrist. Nauseating. Sadly, this won't cut down the rhetoric that basically runs politics these days. [/quote] I think it increases it. It is only a matter of time before the talking heads politicize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 [quote name='John~Galt' timestamp='1294540529' post='960241'] I think it increases it. It is only a matter of time before the talking heads politicize it. [/quote] I have seen a lot of people making a big deal out of this already ... [b]Sarah Palin map with target for Gabrielle Giffords [/b][url="http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-537915?ref=feeds%2Fnewsiest"][size="2"]http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-537915?ref=feeds%2Fnewsiest[/size][/url] [size="2"]Really sad and disgusting. I would hope tragedies and senseless acts of violence would bring people together. Not give them a platform to stand on and politicize it. Thoughts and prayers to those who lost their lives, those fighting for their lives and their families. [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I know some done like him, but I think he is right here. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40981503/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoBengal Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 How's this for fucked? My friend's mother lives down the street from the shooter. This in itself isn't all that fascinating, but unfortunately, the local news accidentally gave her address AS the shooter's, so she's had to be evacuated from HER home for her own safety. Just shitty all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 [quote name='ChicagoBengal' timestamp='1294545179' post='960268'] How's this for fucked? My friend's mother lives down the street from the shooter. This in itself isn't all that fascinating, but unfortunately, the local news accidentally gave her address AS the shooter's, so she's had to be evacuated from HER home for her own safety. Just shitty all around. [/quote] yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Vll-t0H6A[/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 He may not have acted alone? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 [quote name='kennethmw' timestamp='1294521345' post='960102'] Shit, Death Penalty might be to easy for this MF. [/quote] I agree. A lethal injection is too easy for someone like this. What a shitty thing to do. What a piece of shit. I'd rather him get life in prison then a injection that ends it in 45 minutes. Just my thoughts on it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 As Giffords’ father rushed to the hospital after his daughter was shot, the [url="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/dailybeast/ts_dailybeast/storytext/11742_gabriellegiffordsteapartytarget/39552704/SIG=12u1d3ubb/*http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/ariz_congresswoman_shot_in_head_YFTvsurRHy5OWGSRKnuK8J#ixzz1ATa4tOeD"][color="#0058a6"]New York Post[/color][/url] asked him if his daughter had any enemies. “Yeah,” he said. “The whole [url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20110108/ts_dailybeast/11742_gabriellegiffordsteapartytarget#"][color="#366388"]Tea Party[/color][/url].” He continued: "They always get threat[ened]. We don’t really have any information. The police department was supposed to call us but they didn’t." [url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20110108/ts_dailybeast/11742_gabriellegiffordsteapartytarget"]http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20110108/ts_dailybeast/11742_gabriellegiffordsteapartytarget[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 [b][size="5"]CHRISTINA-TAYLOR GREEN [/size][size="4"]With a birthday on 9/11, she was patriotic, interested in politics Born, died between 2 tragedies [/size][/b] Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Sunday, January 9, 2011 12:00 am Aspiring politician Christina-Taylor Green was born in the midst of tragedy on Sept. 11, 2001, and died Saturday morning while trying to meet Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. The strong-willed 9-year-old third-grader had gone to meet Giffords with a neighbor when she was shot. She died later at University Medical Center. Her neighbor was shot four times and was recovering from surgery Saturday evening. Christina-Taylor had just been elected to the student council at Mesa Verde Elementary School and had been interested in politics from a young age, her father, John Green, said Saturday night. "She was a good speaker. I could have easily seen her as a politician," her father said. The brown-eyed athletic girl had one sibling, an 11-year-old brother named Dallas, and the two loved to go swimming together. She'd already told her parents she wanted to attend Penn State one day and have a career that involved helping those less fortunate than her. She also loved animals and was a passionate dancer who loved ballet, hip-hop, jazz and gymnastics and was the only girl on her Canyon del Oro Little League baseball team, "The Pirates." She played second base. Christina-Taylor came from a family of baseball players. Her grandfather, former major-league pitcher Dallas Green, was team manager for the Philadelphia Phillies when they won the World Series in 1980. "She kept up with everyone, she was a strong girl, a very good athlete and a strong swimmer," said her mother, Roxanna Green. "She was interested in everything. She got a guitar for Christmas so her next thing was learning to play guitar." Christina-Taylor also enjoyed singing in a church choir at St. Odilia's Catholic Church, where she had received her first Holy Communion in the spring. "'Let the children come to me,' Jesus said (Matthew 19:14). Christina is with Him," Roman Catholic Diocese of Tucson Bishop Gerald F. Kicanas wrote in a letter to parishioners sent from Jordan, where he is attending a bishops' meeting. Already aware of inequalities in the world around her, Christina-Taylor often repeated the same phrase to her mother: "We are so blessed. We have the best life." Her birth date no doubt helped inspire Christina-Taylor's interest in politics, Roxanna Green said. She was one of 50 9/11 babies featured in a book called "Faces of Hope." "She was born back east and Sept. 11 affected everyone there, and Christina-Taylor was always very aware of it. She was very patriotic and wearing red, white and blue was really special to her," her mother said. "She was all about helping people, and being involved. It's so tragic. She went to learn today and then someone with so much hatred in their heart took the lives of innocent people." [i]Contact reporter Stephanie Innes at [email="sinnes@azstarnet.com"][color="#427ba8"]sinnes@azstarnet.com[/color][/email] or 573-4134.[/i] [url="http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_28c8e686-1ca6-5b3e-ab85-965bd22c68c0.html"]http://azstarnet.com/news/local/article_28c8e686-1ca6-5b3e-ab85-965bd22c68c0.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 [b][size="5"]Arizona Suspect's Recent Acts Offer Hints of Alienation[/size][/b] [b]By ERIC LIPTON, CHARLIE SAVAGE and SCOTT SHANE[/b] [b]Published: January 8, 2011 [/b] WASHINGTON — Jared Lee Loughner had become increasingly erratic in recent months, so much so that others around him began to worry. He had posted on his Myspace page at some point a photograph of a United States history textbook, on top of which he had placed a handgun. He prepared a series of Internet videos filled with rambling statements on topics including the gold standard, mind control and SWAT teams. And he had started to act oddly during his classes at Pima Community College, causing unease among other students. That behavior, along with a disturbing video, prompted school administrators to call in Mr. Loughner's parents and tell them that their son had been suspended and would have to get a mental health evaluation to return to college. Instead, he dropped out in October, a spokesman for the college said. The evidence and reports about Mr. Loughner's unusual conduct suggest an increasing alienation from society, confusion, anger as well as foreboding that his life could soon come to an end. Still, there appear to be no explicit threats of violence that explain why, as police allege, Mr. Loughner, 22, would go to a Safeway supermarket north of Tucson on Saturday morning and begin shooting at a popular Democratic congresswoman and more than a dozen other people, killing 6 and wounding 19. Police officials on Saturday said that Mr. Loughner had a criminal record of some kind, but they did not provide any details. They also hinted that he might have had the help of a second person, adding that they were searching for another man. Don Coorough, 58, who sat two desks in front of Mr. Loughner in a poetry class last semester, described him as a "troubled young man" and "emotionally underdeveloped." After another student read a poem about getting an abortion, Mr. Loughner compared the young woman to a "terrorist for killing the baby." "No one in that class would even sit next to him," Mr. Coorough said. Another fellow student said that he found Mr. Loughner's behavior so eccentric — including inappropriate remarks and unusual outbursts — that he wondered if he might be on hallucinogens. Mr. Loughner grew up in Tucson and was an unremarkable student at Mountain View High School, classmates said. Grant Wiens, 22, who graduated in 2006 from Mountain View High School, a year ahead of Mr. Loughner, described him as "a kind of rare bird, very shy." "He didn't seem very popular, but he kind of did his own thing," Mr. Wiens said. Mr. Wiens said that something Mr. Loughner said during a discussion about religion had stuck in his mind: "Whatever happens, happens," Mr. Wiens recalled the suspect saying. "Might as well enjoy life now." Another former high school classmate said that Mr. Loughner may have met Representative Giffords, who was shot in the head outside the Safeway supermarket, several years ago. "As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy," the former classmate, Caitie Parker, wrote in a series of [url="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/twitter/index.html?inline=nyt-org"][color="#004276"]Twitter[/color][/url] feeds Saturday. "I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive." "He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was 'stupid & unintelligent,' " she wrote. Neighbors of Mr. Loughner in Orangewood Estates, a middle-class subdivision of single-family homes north of Tucson, said that he lived with his parents, Amy and Randy Loughner, and that they did not believe he had siblings. Two neighbors said they saw the family come and go but knew little about them. A series of short videos posted on the Internet, apparently by Mr. Loughner, consist of changing blocs of text that are largely rambling and incoherent. Many take the form of stating a premise and then a logical conclusion that would follow from it. They speak of being a "conscience dreamer"; becoming a treasurer of a new currency; controlling "English grammar structure"; mentioned brainwashing and suggested that he believed he had powers of mind control. "In conclusion, my ambition — is for informing literate dreamers about a new currency; in a few days, you know I'm conscience dreaming!" he wrote in one video, which was uploaded to YouTube on Dec. 15. Still, some strands of recognizable political thought are woven among the more incoherent writings. Another video, for example, says debts should only be paid in currency that is backed by gold and silver. One of his videos also suggests that he may have applied to join the Army at a recruiting station in Phoenix. It says he received a miniature Bible before taking tests there, and that he did not write a belief on his application form, so a recruiter wrote "none." Army officials said Saturday night that he had tried to enlist but had been rejected for military service. Privacy rules prevented them from disclosing the reason. Paul Schwalbach, the spokesman for the Pima Community College, said one video that Mr. Loughner had prepared was considered particularly troubling by campus administrators, motivating them to suspend Mr. Loughner in September. College "police and other officials viewed it and found it very disturbing," he said. After he was suspended, Mr. Loughner and his parents met with administrators, who said he would require a mental health clearance if he wanted to return to college. It could not be learned on Saturday whether Mr. Loughner ever saw a psychiatrist or other professional or was diagnosed with a mental illness. But the rambling, disconnected writings and videos he has left on the Web are consistent with the delusions produced by a psychotic illness like schizophrenia, which develops most often in the teens or 20s. Among other complaints, Mr. Loughner's social networking pages suggest that he had grievances against Pima Community College, that he felt cheated in some way. "If I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment then I'm a victim of fraud," he wrote, referencing the school, in one of his many confusing phrases posted in his videos. His YouTube page also listed a series of favorite books. Some were novels about political dystopias — including "Animal Farm" by [url="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/george_orwell/index.html?inline=nyt-per"][color="#004276"]George Orwell[/color][/url] and "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley. Others were about falling into fantasy worlds — like "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking-Glass" by [url="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/lewis_carroll/index.html?inline=nyt-per"][color="#004276"]Lewis Carroll[/color][/url]. In one extended Internet posting, Mr. Loughner suggested that the government was trying to trick him, or take advantage of him, although he never explained exactly what caused these concerns. He also prepared a video that he called "My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!" "All humans are in need of sleep. Jared Loughner is a human. Hence, Jared Loughner is in need of sleep," he wrote. He also briefly discusses terrorism. "If I define terrorist then a terrorist is a person who employs terror or terrorism, especially as a political weapon. I define terrorist," he wrote. "If you call me a terrorist then the argument to call me a terrorist is ad hominem. You call me a terrorist." As recently as Saturday, he posted a message on his Myspace account hinting that he was going away. "Goodbye," he wrote at about 5 a.m. Saturday. "Dear friends . . . Please don't be mad at me." [url="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09shooter.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&src=twt&twt=nytimesglobal"]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09shooter.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&src=twt&twt=nytimesglobal[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Can someone change the title? She was not killed.... and I am praying for a full recovery so she can walk into the House again one day soon to a thunderous applause! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 title fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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