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Heaviest player is Cordy Glenn of [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Georgia"][s]#[/s][b]Georgia[/b][/url]. Weighed in at 346. [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23SeniorBowl"][s]#[/s][b]SeniorBowl[/b][/url]
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[b] [size=6]Jackson's Five - Future Bengals draft picks?[/size][/b]



MOBILE, Alabama - Senior Bowl practices begin Monday afternoon, and listed below are five players who -- before stepping foot on to the Senior Bowl practice fields -- figure as most intriguing to the Bengals' coaches and scouts in attendance based on the team's needs and the respective players' college resumes.

Alabama safety Mark Barron was a late injury scratch from the Senior Bowl or he probably would have been the most intriguing Bengals target this week. The players are listed alphabetically.

1

Alfonzo Dennard, cornerback, Nebraska

He struggled in the bowl game vs. South Carolina's Alshon Jeffrey, but there are lots of five-year cornerbacks in the NFL who would have done the same. Dennard (5-foot-10, 203 pounds) spent much of his senior season watching opponents throw to the other side of the field to avoid him, but he'll get plenty of tests in a high-speed environment this week. Most projections have Dennard coming off the board in April right in the range of the Bengals' two first-round picks, and the Bengals will certainly be taking a close look at all the secondary prospects here this week.

2

Janoris Jenkins, cornerback, North Alabama

Jenkins might have been a first-rounder a year ago, but he went back to school, got hurt in spring practice then got booted from Florida's team after his second marijuana-related arrest. Talent trumps all in the Bengals' draft room, and corner is a jump-off-the-page need. Jenkins needs to make a solid impression with coaches and scouts this week as much as he needs to perform on the field, though he'll get to match up with plenty of gifted receivers on the practice field. Jenkins can help in the return game, too, and his profile just fits the Bengals. He measured at a shade over 5-9 and 191 here Monday morning.

3

Doug Martin, running back, Boise State

Compact (5-9, 219), quick and powerful, Martin is a proven producer and has the build to handle what happens between the tackles in the AFC North. He can bounce it outside, too, and has plenty of experience catching the ball out of the backfield -- something a lot of college backs don't have. The Bengals figure to be in the running back market, both in free agency and the draft, and Martin can use this week to show he can eventually be a guy who can carry it 20 times a game.

4

DeVier Posey, wide receiver, Ohio State

He's a Cincinnati native and has a little baggage. That means the Bengals are automatically interested, right? Yes and no, but mostly yes. Posey has always had plenty of raw talent and has steadily added polish to his game, but only playing three games as a senior due to NCAA suspensions didn't help his NFL cause. It didn't necessarily hurt it, either, because he's worked on his body, has fresh legs and gets the chance this week to show some things he wouldn't have been able to show in Ohio State's inconsistent offense last fall. Third-rounder? Posey can put himself there this week.

5

Brandon Taylor, safety, LSU

Taylor was the steady senior leader of an LSU secondary that included a potential top-five pick in Mo Claiborne and a Heisman finalist in Tyrann Mathieu. His pedigree and size (5-11, 202) suggest he's probably a later-round pick but a guy who could probably play sooner rather than later, and it's no secret the Bengals figure to make upgrades to their secondary. He can use this week to make an impression that will last through the draft process as the scouts and GMs will certainly make multiple trips to Baton Rouge.





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[size=6][b]UC’s Pead looks good in first Senior Bowl practice[/b][/size]

01/23/12 at 7:08pm
• Written by jreedy

Greetings from Mobile, Ala., and the first day of Senior Bowl practices. I’m here until Wednesday to watch the sessions before heading back.

A couple random observations from the first North practice:

UC’s Isaiah Pead had a good practice, showing some nice runs and quickness to the outside as well as catching a couple dumpoff screens and fielding punts during the special teams segment. NFL Network’s Charles Davis, who is here all week, has been a Pead fan since seeing him three years ago when the Bearcats were in the Orange Bowl against Virginia Tech.

“He was just a pup back then,” Davis said. “When Butch Jones got the job I told him he had a jewel. There’s a lot that I like about him. By fielding punts that shows that added value. Any time you can do a little bit more so much the better.”

After Monday’s practice, Pead talked with coaches from the Chiefs and Bengals.

Nebraska CB Alfonzo Dennard, who some mock drafts have the Bengals selecting him, had a couple nice pass breakups. Ohio State WR and La Salle graduate DeVier Posey had some rust on the first day.



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Today is one of the biggest weeks in Football for draft fans. This week at the Senior Bowl can seperate man from the boys (or some other less cheesy line). Unfortunately I was not able to make it down to Mobile this year and neither was Sayre, but that doesn’t mean we won’t provide you with great coverage via the television. I’m going to scour the web looking for the best and most fascinating Senior Bowl story lines out there.

Today’s biggest even was the weigh-ins.

The weighs are important for a few positions, but the most important is Offensive linemen. Large Hands, big wingspans, and thick, not fat are what teams are looking for.

[b]Weigh in Winners:[/b]
[b]Mike Adams OT Ohio State[/b]

I’ve been writing this for awhile-Mike Adams will likely end up in the top 20 of the N.F.L. draft after he returned from his suspension from the Ohio State scandal he played well. He’s a massive man and has the athletic ability to play LT in the N.F.L. Now he’ll have to prove throughout this week, but he got off to a good start. Mike Adams measured in at 6’7 323 pounds an arm length of 33 3/4 long, 11 inch hands. He has an 82 1/2 inch wing span. He is a massive man. He reportedly carried his weight very well.

Adams also performed well at practice.

[b]Cordy Glenn, T/G, Georgia[/b]
Another player who measured in well. Glenn looked like a physical specimen today at 6’5′ 1/2 and 346 pounds. 35′ 1/8 inch arms, 10 inch hands, and a 84 and 5/8 wingspan. Glenn has to prove that he is athletic enough to play Tackle in the National Football League. I think his ceiling is to the Jets at 16, but he could be a terrific fit for a team looking for a RT/G like the Bengals, or Giants late in the first round among others.Watch out for teams that want to improve their running game (which is why I singled out the Bengals and the Giants).

[b]Matt McAnts U.A.B.[/b]
A player I want to watch this week since I didn’t watch any of his games this season. McAnts measured in at 5’6 5/8 309 pounds 35 inch long arms, and an 82 5/8 wingspan. Now he does have smaller hands, but reportedly that is due to a “pinky deformation” and isn’t a concern. Draft Coutndown described him as “Large with a bubble butt and room to grow. Large frame.”

[b]Kelechi Osmele G/T Iowa State[/b]
6’5 3/8, 333 pounds, 35 1/4 arms, 10 3/8 hands, 85 1/2 wingspan. Looks really long.

[b]Zebrie Sanders T Florida State University[/b]
6’5 1/2, 333 pounds, 35 1/4 arms, 11 inch hands, 83 1/2 inch wingspan
Sanders looked long and has huge hands. Big hands are important for offensive linemen. Sanders had a terrific season after moving over to LT with the season ending injury to Andrew Datko.

[b]S George Iloka Boise State[/b]
Iloka mesaured in at 6’3 5/8 inches, 222 pounds, 33 7/8, 9 5/8 inch hands, 81 5/8 inch wingspan.

This is a safety people. What a physical specimen. He can easily be confused for a linebacker. Now the question about him is whether or not he has the speed and fluidity in his hips to cover players down the field. He’ll have the opportunity to show that throughout the week.

He was off to a good start with an impressive first practice. He’ll have to continue to show some range, but if he can he can be a high pick.

[b]Brian Quick WR Appalachian State[/b]
6’3 1/2, 222 pounds, 33 1/2, 9 7/8 hands, 81 1/8 wingspan. Quick is huge with a terrific wingspan. Really toned.

Didn’t fare as well in practice however.

[b]Losers: [/b]
[b]Just a couple of losers from yesterday[/b]

[b]Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska[/b]
Dennard had a rough day at practice.

[b]Tony Pauline writes about Dennard:[/b]
[i]Struggled through most of the day. Just looked poor moving in reverse displaying a slow pedal and lost in transition. Pulled it together late in the day but overall disappointing.[/i]
Wes Bunting Writes about Dennard:

[i]On the other hand, I came away unimpressed with [url="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html&position=cb"]Nebraska CB Alfonzo Dennard[/url]. He’s a compact kid who displays some natural click and close ability. However, he allows his cushion to be eaten up far too much in his drop and lacks much of a burst/second gear when asked to turn and run. He’s a guy who opposing receivers were able to routinely outpace today as he didn’t demonstrate the type of speed needed to run out of his transition vertically.[/i]

[b]Leonard Johnson, CB Iowa State[/b]
Johnson only measured in under 5’10 (5’9 7/8 inches) with 8 inch hands and a 70 3/8 wingspan. Though he looks in great shape. Also reported is that Mike Mayock has Johnson rated above Dre Kirkpatrick. This is mostly stemming from his game against Justin Blackmon. He’s a very physical player, but Tony Pauline says he didn’t have a great day at practice. Johnson is short and won’t time great in the 40 yard dash. He needs a huge week here.

[i]Struggled most of the day and was consistently beat by opponents. Had some moments in scrimmage but overall was dissapointing[/i]
We have a lot of thoughts on the Senior Bowl via twitter which you can scroll through [url="https://twitter.com/#!/NFLMocks"]here[/url]

And then there are a lot of places to check out more information.

Tony Pauline from [url="http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=6026"]Draftinsider’s day one notes[/url] Pauline also does coverage for Sports Illustrated.

[url="http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/"]Nepatriotsdraft.com [/url]has interviews, and a ton of practice notes as well.

[url="http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/Senior-Bowl-Blog.php"]Draftcountdown’s breakdown[/url]

One nugget here:

[i]Boise St. RB [url="http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/RB/Doug-Martin.php"]Doug Martin[/url] actually looked surprisingly explosive and showcased his well-rounded skill set. Martin was by far the best running back on the North squad today and it wasn’t even close[/i]

[url="http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Senior-Bowl-practice-notes-Day-1-4429.html"]Wes Bunting’s Notes[/url]






http://nflmocks.com/2012/01/24/senior-bowl-winners-and-losers-day-one/

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[b] [size=6]Senior Bowl notebook: Monday[/size][/b]


Posted Jan. 24, 2012 @ 1:09 a.m. ET
By Mike Wilkening


MOBILE, Ala. — NFL business moves quickly. The league crowned conference champions Sunday ... and by Monday, a healthy portion of the league was looking forward to April's draft.

Welcome to the Senior Bowl, where practices kicked off Monday. With the North and South clubs practicing at the same time but at different locations, I was only able to observe the North club on the first day of practice. Here's what I saw:

• Michigan State QB Kirk Cousins looked to have the strongest arm of the North quarterbacks. He threw the day's best pass, an absolute rope to Arizona State WR Geren Robinson on a deep in-route. I liked Cousins' sense of anticipation: He threw the ball to a spot, and it hit Robinson just as he came out of his break.

• Boise State QB Kellen Moore had an up-and-down practice and really seemed to struggle to drive the ball on downfield throws. Having never before seen Moore in a workout setting, I'm not going to overreact to one so-so practice on a drizzly afternoon with new teammates, and I look forward to seeing how he plays the next two days.

• Ohio State WR DeVier Posey had a couple of drops, including one where Cousins threw a beautiful deep ball to his back shoulder, but overall, he looked like he belonged, in my view. This is an important week for Posey. He gets to meet with teams, a golden opportunity after he missed 10 games in 2011 because of rules violations. Also, he gets a chance to put some of his work on tape.

• Nebraska CB Alfonzo Dennard's biggest strength, as he sees it? "What I do best is get in a receiver's face and be physical with him," he said Monday night. He caught my eye in the first practice, playing like the North's top cornerback. That physicality was apparent, and he also showed good ball skills.

• Just an observation, but I would guess whoever drafts Cincinnati RB Isaiah Pead will work with him to strengthen his lower body. He has relatively skinny legs compared to the other North RB prospects.

• California WR Marvin Jones had a solid day. He consistently got open and caught the ball well. Afterward, he gave me a brief rundown on each of the North quarterbacks: "Kirk, he blazes the ball, and he puts it on the spot. (Wisconsin QB Russell Wilson), you've seen him hitting a lot of seams. He can telegraph where the receiver's going to be and the ball's spot on. And Kellen, we both had an opportunity to complete a lot of deep balls, and his deep ball is perfect."

• Another pass catcher who had a good first day: N.C. State WR T.J. Graham. Good quickness.

• I focused mainly on the North's quarterbacks, wide receivers, running backs and cornerbacks on Day One. I'll likely have a similar focus in the South's first practice Tuesday. I am very interested to see North Alabama CB Janoris Jenkins, the ex-Florida standout, and Georgia CB Brandon Boykin.



Monday observations from associate editor Kevin Fishbain

The most notable thing I took from the Senior Bowl's media night on the USS Alabama had nothing to do with the players, but the media. With the NFL's popularity at such a high right now and the proliferation of draft-dedicated websites, it was a packed house of journalists — many more than last year.

I talked to Michigan State QB Kirk Cousins, and the thing that you will continue to hear about Cousins throughout the pre-draft process is his intelligence and candor. He's extremely well-spoken and is well-aware of how he is perceived as a quarterback. His arm strength and on-field abilities will be closely monitored by teams that become enamored with his personality.

Oklahoma State QB Brandon Weeden attracted a big crowd. With Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill out of the Senior Bowl, Weeden has a great chance to shine and is considered the top signalcaller in Mobile.

A few things I'm looking forward to seeing this week at practice:

1) The QB position is more intriguing than usual because of what happened with NFL rookie quarterbacks in 2011. Christian Ponder was the MVP of last year's Senior Bowl, saw his draft stock skyrocket and became the Vikings' starter. Andy Dalton, on the other hand, didn't make much of an impression in Mobile, yet he started all 16 games for Cincinnati. None of the quarterbacks here will be among the top three taken — assuming Tannehill goes third behind Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III — but that doesn't mean a 2012 starter isn't in Mobile. Can Kellen Moore and Russell Wilson make up for what they are missing in size? Can Weeden set himself apart from the group? Do Nick Foles or Ryan Lindley have the qualities to be a sleeper choice?

2) Unlike last year, there is a strong group of running backs in Mobile, with Chris Polk, Vick Ballard, Terrance Ganaway and Doug Martin among them. With Trent Richardson likely to be the first back off the board, it will be interesting to see if any of the seniors can put together a big week to get some attention early in the second round.

3) Can Courtney Upshaw be this year's Von Miller? Miller was the clear-cut top prospect last year and had a very strong week. This year, it's Upshaw who could be the first pass rusher off the board in April's draft. All eyes are on the Alabama product. We'll see how he handles the pressure against some top offensive tackles.





http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/01/24/senior-bowl-notebook-monday-2

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[b] [size=6]Senior Bowl weigh-in not kind to Wilson [/size][/b]

January, 23, 2012

By Todd McShay, Scouts Inc.

Senior Bowl week kicked off on Monday with weigh-ins and measurements for all NFL prospects in attendance. Here's a look at some notable numbers to come out of all the poking and prodding, as well as the players who posted the highest and lowest numbers in all the important categories.




• The most anticipated player was the last to be measured, and Wisconsin QB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28525/russell-wilson"]Russell Wilson[/url] checked in at just 5-foot-10¼. He was in very good shape and looked strong overall at 203 pounds, but the bottom line is that his height would make him the shortest quarterback on an NFL roster today.


That dubious distinction currently belongs to the [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-browns"]Cleveland Browns[/url]' Seneca Wallace (5-11⅜ ), and the shortest starter in the NFL is the 6-foot Drew Brees. If Wilson were four inches taller we might be talking about him as a potential first-round pick given his intangibles and production. But at an inch-and-three-quarters shorter than Brees, there are now even more challenges to overcome as Wilson tries to make an NFL roster as a quarterback.


• On a more positive note, Boise State's Kellen Moore was a bit taller than expected at 5-11¾ . However, Moore is only 191 pounds and just does not look the part. He has the body of a high school quarterback, and Moore must add bulk and strength in order to hold up to NFL punishment.


• I contend that hand size is an underrated aspect of quarterback evaluation, because gripping the ball when throwing in adverse weather or absorbing blows from pass-rushers is key to playing the position. So from that standpoint, Arizona's [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27468/nick-foles"]Nick Foles[/url] won the quarterback weigh-in with 10¾ -inch hands, followed by San Diego State's [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28260/ryan-lindley"]Ryan Lindley[/url] at 10⅛.


• A few players passed the eyeball test with flying colors, beginning with Notre Dame DB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28160/harrison-smith"]Harrison Smith[/url], who was absolutely shredded at 6-1¾ and 212 pounds. Smith was in perfect shape, appearing tall and ripped.


Two wide receivers also stood out. North Carolina's [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28091/dwight-jones"]Dwight Jones[/url] looked solid at 6-3⅛ and 226, while Appalachian State's [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27462/brian-quick"]Brian Quick[/url] is an athletic-looking 6-3½ and 222 pounds, with wide shoulders and skinny hips.


Finally, a pair of offensive tackles turned heads with their massive frames. Ohio State's [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28759/mike-adams"]Mike Adams[/url] is the tallest player in Mobile at 6-7, and weighs 323 pounds. Throw in his 11-inch hands (tied for biggest) and 33¼ arms and you have an impressive specimen.


Iowa State OT/G [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28970/kelechi-osemele"]Kelechi Osemele[/url] was not quite as tall (6-5⅜ ), but at 333 pounds with 35¼ arms and 10⅜ hands, Osemele is an imposing figure.


[b]Other notes[/b]
Clemson DE [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27557/andre-branch"]Andre Branch[/url] has not yet arrived in Mobile. He's expected, but did not make the weigh-in and his status for Monday's practice is up in the air. ... Auburn OT [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=28568&year=2012"]Brandon Mosely[/url] will not participate because of a case of viral meningitis, according to his agent. Mosely spent the weekend in the hospital, but is expected to be fully recovered in 7-10 days.


[b] Weigh-in highs and lows[/b]



[b]Five tallest[/b]
Ohio State OT [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28759/mike-adams"]Mike Adams[/url] -- 6-foot-7
North Carolina DE [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28090/quinton-coples"]Quinton Coples[/url] -- 6-5¾
Louisiana Lafayette TE [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27935/ladarius-green"]Ladarius Green[/url] -- 6-5¾
UAB OL [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=27449&year=2012"]Matt McCants[/url] -- 6-5⅝
Georgia OL [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27703/cordy-glenn"]Cordy Glenn[/url] -- 6-5½
Florida State OL [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27672/zebrie-sanders"]Zebrie Sanders[/url] -- 6-5½
Utah OL [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28898/tony-bergstrom"]Tony Bergstrom[/url] -- 6-5½


[b]Five Shortest[/b]
Alabama WR [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27433/marquis-maze"]Marquis Maze[/url] -- 5-7¾
Florida RB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27661/chris-rainey"]Chris Rainey[/url] -- 5-8⅜
Houston WR [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=27760&year=2012"]Patrick Edwards[/url] -- 5-8⅞
Boise State RB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28603/doug-martin"]Doug Martin[/url] -- 5-9
Ohio State RB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28761/dan-herron"]Dan Herron[/url] -- 5-9¼
Georgia DB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27704/brandon-boykin"]Brandon Boykin[/url] -- 5-9¼


[b]Five heaviest[/b]
Glenn -- 346 pounds
Washington DT [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28429/alameda-taamu"]Alameda Ta'amu[/url] -- 341
Iowa State OL [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28970/kelechi-osemele"]Kelechi Osemele[/url] -- 333
Penn State OL [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28192/johnnie-troutman"]Johnnie Troutman[/url] -- 325
Adams -- 323


[b]Five lightest[/b]
Edwards -- 168
Arkansas WR [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28546/joe-adams"]Joe Adams[/url] -- 174
Louisiana-Lafayette DB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27936/dwight-bentley"]Dwight Bentley[/url] -- 176
Rainey -- 178
N.C. State WR [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=28999&year=2012"]T.J. Graham[/url] -- 182


[b]Five biggest hands[/b]Sanders -- 11 inches
Adams -- 11
Arizona QB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27468/nick-foles"]Nick Foles[/url] -- 10¾
Cincinnati DL [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27545/derek-wolfe"]Derek Wolfe[/url] -- 10¾
Arizona WR [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27467/juron-criner"]Juron Criner[/url] -- 10½
LSU OL [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28982/will-blackwell"]Will Blackwell[/url] -- 10½


[b]Five smallest hands[/b]
Bentley -- 7.7
Iowa State DB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27826/leonard-johnson"]Leonard Johnson[/url] -- 8
North Alabama CB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28085/janoris-jenkins"]Janoris Jenkins[/url] -- 8¼
Penn State DB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=28186&year=2012"]D'Anton Lynn[/url] -- 8⅜
Alabama S [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=27436&year=2012"]De'Quan Menzie[/url] -- 8½


[b]Five longest arms[/b]
Osemele -- 35¼ inches
Glenn -- 35⅛
McCants -- 35
Sanders -- 34⅝
Texas A&M DL [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=28396&year=2012"]Tony Jerod-Eddie[/url] -- 34⅜


[b]Five shortest arms[/b]
Cal-Poly DB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28648/asa-jackson"]Asa Jackson[/url] -- 28⅝
Johnson -- 28¾
Texas A&M PK Randy Bullock -- 28¾
Lynn -- 29
Edwards -- 29⅜
Maze -- 29⅜
Texas A&M RB [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28394/cyrus-gray"]Cyrus Gray[/url] -- 29⅜


[b]Five longest wingspans[/b]
Osemele -- 85½ inches
Glenn -- 84⅝
California OL [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27497/mitchell-schwartz"]Mitchell Schwartz[/url] -- 83⅝
Sanders -- 83⅝
McCants -- 82⅝


[b]Five shortest wingspans[/b]
Jackson -- 68⅜
Johnson -- 70⅜
Wisconsin LS [url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28522/kyle-wojta"]Kyle Wojta[/url] -- 70⅝
Bullock -- 70¾
Bentley -- 70⅞




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[Bengals1181]

[quote] Just an observation, but I would guess whoever drafts Cincinnati RB Isaiah Pead will work with him to strengthen his lower body. He has relatively skinny legs compared to the other North RB prospects.[/quote]


I think size is obviously the one thing that's going to hurt pead. The other top backs aren't that big, and Pead is smaller than them.

Pead 5'9 193
Polk 5'10 224
Martin 5'9 219
Herron 5'9 209
Ballard 5'10 217
Ganaway 5'11 241
Gray 5'10 198
Rainey 5'8 178


I think Pead needs to get bigger if he wants to improve his draft stock. At least to 200lbs.

[Jason]

[quote]McAnts measured in at 5’6 5/8 309 pounds 35 inch long arms, and an 82 5/8 wingspan[/quote]

I know that's a typo, but I'm trying to imagine someone who is 5'6" weighing 309 with an 82" wingspan.

Sounds like a fat orangutan.

[B.A.B.]

Looking forward to your posts this week, Old. Always great stuff

[oldschooler]

[size=6][b]Senior Bowl, Day 1 Impressions[/b][/size]

By MATT WALDMAN, CECIL LAMMEY and JENE BRAMEL


It was a rainy day in Mobile, Ala., but spirits could not be dampened as the Senior Bowl got under way Monday. It began with the morning weigh-in, continued through practice in the afternoon, then through the evening at media night at the U.S.S. Alabama Battleship Memorial Park.

Quarterback Notes

Kellen Moore, Boise State

Moore was one of the most productive and successful college quarterbacks in history. But there are several reasons to doubt his potential as a pro prospect. Moore sets with good balance at the top of the pocket, but his drops from center were slower than those of his peers on the North squad. His release looks good from a technical perspective, but he didn’t demonstrate the ability to drive the football on intermediate and deep routes that required some zip. Moore put extra effort into throwing routes over seven yards, but that negatively affected his accuracy. He has to wind up when throwing deep and underthrew Appalachian State Wide Receiver Brian Quick on a ‘9’ route. Moore also struggled to make accurate throws into tight coverage. While he delivered the ball in the general area of the receiver, it was frequently high and away or in a path advantageous to the defender to make a play. Moore was also one of the least flexible athletes in warm-ups on the field. This is a physical fitness issue that he can improve as he focuses on his body in the way professional athletes do. Athletically he some work to do that might help him become a better player.

Kirk Cousins, Michigan State

Cousins was more aggressive downfield than Moore, but he still threw frequent check-downs to a Michigan State teammate, tight end Brian Linthicum, in 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 drills. His drops were clearly quicker and smoother than Moore’s and his overall accuracy was better in the deeper reaches of the field. He didn’t dazzle with his reads or attempt stick throws, but he generally made safe decisions and accurate throws. His best throw was a dig route 15 yards over the middle between linebackers and under a safety to a diving DeVier Posey after coming off his initial read.

Russell Wilson, Wisconsin

Wilson is an exceptional athlete and it showed on the first day of practice. He didn’t start particularly well, but as the session progressed he was the most impressive quarterback in the first practice of the week. He has a quick scissor step when dropping to pass and doesn’t hesitate to pull the trigger when he sees a receiver break open. His good core strength shows when throwing on the run and he showed he can be accurate rolling out to his right or left. He was late and behind Marvin McNutt for a near-interception on a slow decision to throw a hook route to the opposite side of the hash. However, after that play, Wilson routinely attacked the defense downfield, demonstrated good anticipation as well as skill at looking off the safety and going to the opposite side of the field with the ball. Two of the better plays involving Marvin Jones and DeVier Posey began with Wilson on the front end of the play.

Running Back Notes

Doug Martin, Boise State

Martin has everything pro teams are looking for in a running back. He ran with a low pad level and displayed good balance, vision, and great feet. Martin ran hot on every rep. Even though it was the first day of practice, Martin did not take any carry for granted. He has good balance when changing direction and loses little speed when he makes a cut. Martin is also a natural hands receiver and is very effective on screen passes where he can get into space.

Isaiah Pead, Cincinnati

As a back, Pead looks like a jack of all trades, master of none. He is not as explosive as Martin but cuts cleanly when he makes a break. Pead is a good-hands running back and regularly catches with arms extended away from the body. He showed good stop-start moves and has good feet when running through trash at the line of scrimmage.

Defensive Notes

The Redskins coaches ran a brisk first day of positional drills, front and coverage installation and 7-on-7 and team drills for the South team defenders. We primarily focused on the line and linebacker positions, but were able to see some secondary play in the team session. Though the field was sloppy after an early afternoon thunderstorm, the players generally did a good job through the footwork drills and 7-on-7 sessions.

Quinton Coples, North Carolina

Coples was chided early in practice for botching a run fit, but was easily the best defensive lineman on the field for the rest of the practice. Though he has no trouble getting his tall frame into a good stance, he plays a little high off the ball. Still, he routinely beat his opponent with his go-to strong rip and swim move to the inside in one-on-ones. He also flashed a good bull rush and the ability to win on the edge and quickly close the pocket. He held up well setting the edge in team drills against the run. If he continues to practice this well for the rest of the week, he’ll allay concerns about his inconsistent senior season effort.

Melvin Ingram, South Carolina

Ingram looked the part of a professional football player, practicing in a Washington Redskins helmet after coming to the field without his Gamecocks helmet. The Redskins coaches installed packages using him in both two and three point stances. Ingram was lightning quick in drills with a blocking dummy and showed a rare but impressive bull rush in one-on-ones. He had trouble finishing the play in one-on-ones, however, and wasn’t as impressive in team drills.

Courtney Upshaw, Alabama

Upshaw was a thick 273 pounds at the weigh-in and appeared stiff during team stretches before practice. But he looked athletic during drills and held his own well in the same swing two and three point stance role that Ingram was using. He’s not going to be an elite off-the-edge rusher, but he competed hard on every repetition.

Brandon Thompson, Clemson

Thompson looked like the best interior lineman on the field, in one-on-one and team drills. At 6-2, 311 pounds, his pad level was consistently good and he used his hands to control blockers, shedding well when his initial push was slowed. He was working on a rip move in one-on-ones, but was more effective when bull rushing and putting the offensive lineman on his heels.

Emmanuel Acho, Texas

Early scouting reports seem mixed on Acho. At times, he has shown good instincts and strength between the tackles; at others, he’s seemed limited at the point of attack and too slow to play sideline to sideline. Acho seemed to have trouble staying over his feet well during position drills and was inconsistent getting off blocks in team drills. He moved much better in a straight line than changing direction in 7-on-7 coverage drills. He was quick to get his teammates aligned out of the huddle and his footwork issues may resolve as he settles into the week.

Jake Bequette, Arkansas

Bequette measured 6-4 and 264 pounds at the weigh-in and worked with the linebackers in all drills on Monday. He really struggled in space in the team drills, especially in coverage, where he was very slow to change direction and frequently got lost against the tight end. For now, he’s not getting any looks as a pass rusher, though that could change as the week progresses.

Zach Brown, North Carolina

Brown seemed unusually measured in his steps – possibly due to the field conditions – but exhibited sure footwork during individual drills and broke on the ball quickly in coverage drills. During team drills, he was very quick to slip through trash and pursue running plays, but didn’t flash as a finisher. We get the sense watching him that he’s likely to stand out much more as the week progresses.

Keenan Robinson, Texas

Robinson exhibited very fluid footwork vertically and laterally in drills, and carried that athleticism over into 7-on-7 and team drills. Working on the line of scrimmage, he took on blockers and dropped back into zone coverage well. Though he seemed to change direction quickly, he was a half-step behind the tight end on more than one occasion when reacting to underneath routes in man coverage.

Sean Spence, Miami

Spence helped Bradham call out the defensive alignment on a couple of snaps in team drills. He seemed to be anticipating the direction of the play by reading the offensive alignment, often moving before the snap of the ball. He had a little difficulty shedding blocks, but was never run out of the play. As expected, he showed impressive range and often was right behind Bradham when pursuing plays to the opposite sideline.

Defensive Back Notes

The South used Cover-1 nearly exclusively, rotating Oklahoma State’s Markelle Martin and Alabama’s DeQuan Menzie in the box and over the slot, with L.S.U.’s Brandon Taylor and South Carolina’s Antonio Allen as the deep safety. Taylor showed better range than Allen, who struggled to react and get to the sideline. Deep coverage will be an adjustment for Allen, however, who played a hybrid SS/LB role often at South Carolina. His stock will increase significantly if his coverage awareness improves over the course of the week.

Weigh-in Notes

DT Mike Martin (Michigan) looked like a champion bodybuilder, carrying a cut 307 pounds at 6-1. DE/OLB Shea McClellin (Boise State) was a smallish 248 pounds and looks like he’ll have to prove himself as an OLB. Nevada ILB Bobby Wagner was a strong 241 pounds, but just a shade over 6-0. DT Billy Winn (Boise State) tipped the scales at 296 pounds and had a body type that looked more like a 5-techinque 3-4 end than hybrid talent.

Boise State RB Doug Martin’s upper body is wide and muscular but he appeared flexible. At 5-9, 219 pounds, he was one of the most impressive-looking athletes at the weigh in. The other was Georgia DB Brandon Boykin, who at 5-9 and 183 pounds actually looked like he was 10-15 pounds heavier because of his muscle definition. If he were to do a headstand, his triceps could be mistaken for calves.





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[Bengals1181]

[quote]Bequette measured 6-4 and 264 pounds at the weigh-in and worked with the linebackers in all drills on Monday. He really struggled in space in the team drills, especially in coverage, where he was very slow to change direction and frequently got lost against the tight end. [b]For now, he’s not getting any looks as a pass rusher,[/b] though that could change as the week progresses.[/quote]

don't get that. He was a pretty good collegiate rusher, and its not like he's lacking size for an NFL DE.

[oldschooler]

[b] [size=6]Senior Bowl dish: Day 1 of practice reveals a lot[/size][/b]

[b] Players who helped themselves most:[/b]

[b]1. Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas, 5-foot-10, 174 pounds, 4.45 40 time (South squad).[/b] Adams was the most explosive player on the field at the South's practice in Fairhope (the North practiced in Mobile). He showed excellent quickness to defeat press coverage off the line and top acceleration to threaten the defense vertically. He showed outstanding suddenness to separate from man-to-man coverage, with great body control and balance on the wet field. He torched cornerback Ryan Steed during the one-on-one period. On more than one occasion, he snared the ball out of the air in tight coverage.

[b]2. Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia, 5-9, 183, 4.45 (South).[/b] He showed dominant cover skills despite his size and was competitive throughout practice. He displayed outstanding quickness, explosive closing ability and rare recovery speed to deny double moves during the one-on-one period. He has what all great players at his position need: great confidence. Against Dwight Jones, he slipped after an aggressive jam, got up and still undercut Jones' comeback route to knock down the pass. His strong return skills give him even more value as a possible late first-round or early second-round pick.

[b]3. Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina, 6-2, 276, 4.75 (South).[/b] While he lacks explosiveness off the edge, Ingram is very aggressive on contact, largely due to his violent hand use, strength and power. He was quick to read and recognize his keys as a run defender during 9-on-7 and team periods. He also ran well for a man of his size, and he looked very comfortable playing off the ball in pass coverage.

[b]4. Marvin Jones, WR, California, 6-2, 198, 4.50 (North squad).[/b] Jones is a fluid athlete with quick feet. He ran sharp, precise routes and also displayed great body control, balance and acceleration out of breaks. He used his strong hands to disengage from press coverage. He beat Nebraska’s Alphonso Dennard deep during the one-on-one period. Jones also made tough catches on off-target throws.

[b]5. Billy Winn, DL, Boise State, 6-3, 296, 4.90 (North).[/b] Winn lined up at end and tackle Monday, but appeared to [url="http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-01-23/senior-bowl-dish-day-1-of-practice-reveals-a-lot#"][size=1]fit[/size][/url] best as a 3-4 end. He made no impact at tackle. He showed the skills to consistently win off the edge, especially against Iowa State’s Kelechi Osemele. He also showed strong hands and great leverage against the run. His strong fundamental technique, awareness and instincts were evident in all situations.
[b] Players who hurt themselves most:[/b]

[b]1. Will Blackwell, G, LSU, 6-3, 314, 5.40 (South).[/b] Blackwell appeared severely overmatched. He lacked the strength and skill to compete effectively against the quality of the players here. He constantly overextended, dropped his head and bent at the waist while trying to grab defenders. He was beaten every time during the one-on-one period.

[b]2. Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State, 5-11, 191, 4.95 (North).[/b] Moore did not look like an NFL quarterback. His throwing motion was elongated, the ball lacked zip coming out of his hand and his accuracy was terrible. On numerous deep routes, the ball hung in the air, exposing his lack of arm strength.

[b]3. Mike Brewster, C, Ohio State, 6-4, 310, 5.20 (North).[/b] Brewster looked out of place compared to the other players at his position group. He consistently gets too wide as a run blocker, which prevents him from redirecting against a quick defender. Former Michigan defender Mike Martin went through and around him on nearly every play with relative ease. His weaknesses were constantly exposed in one-on-one blocking situations.

[b]4. Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska, 5-10, 203, 4.55 (North).[/b] Dennard showed inconsistent technique and footwork. He also lacked explosiveness when trying to close on passes in front of him or to recover when receivers got separation in man coverage. On a deep post route by Marvin Jones, he got upright and flat-footed with his weight on his heels. He allowed Jones to close the cushion, and lost a step when he had to flip his hips to turn and run. Dennard must improve if he is to maintain his high draft status.

[b]5. Ryan Lindley, QB, San Diego State, 6-4, 229, 5.10 (South).[/b] At one point during practice, Lindley had thrown almost as many passes into the turf as into his receivers' hands. He showed slight improvement later, but not enough to save the day. He looked like a slow-twitch athlete who was deliberate in his movement. He also had the worst arm strength among South QBs.


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[TheBeaverHunter]

[quote name='Jason' timestamp='1327412836' post='1091698']

I know that's a typo, but I'm trying to imagine someone who is 5'6" weighing 309 with an 82" wingspan.

Sounds like a fat orangutan.
[/quote]

The guy is almost 5'7. I want this guy!!! Put him at DT. He would get a huge push and clog about 3 holes with that wing span.

[oldschooler]

[b] [size=6]Senior Bowl practice report: Monday[/size][/b]


[i]SI.com draft expert Tony Pauline is live in Mobile, Ala., where some of the draft's brightest talent are taking part in Senior Bowl week, the annual prospect showcase. He'll be providing live analysis from practice each day throughout the week.[/i]

[b]4:21 p.m. CT[/b] -- Monday practice is complete for the North. Overall Marvin Jones (WR/Cal) made a great impression and delivered much more than scouts expected. Have to also be excited about Mike Adams (T/Ohio State), who justified his rising draft stock with a strong practice.

- The first practice of Tuesday starts 9:30 a.m. CT and we'll be bringing you all the goings on from the Senior Bowl!

[b]4:17 p.m. CT[/b] -- Brad Nortman (P/Wisconsin) was kicking moon shots all afternoon. His punts were consistently flying 55-to-60 yards with great hang time.

[b]4:05 p.m. CT[/b] -- Mitchell Schwartz (T/Cal) was forced to play center after the North's second center, Garth Gerhart (ASU) left the field with an injury. Schwartz has held his own in the early going, blocking with good fundamentals and, more importantly, displaying the ability to handle the center/quarterback snap exchange.

- Alameda Ta'amu (DT/Washington) has displayed a lot of power on the inside, consistently pushing offensive linemen off the ball and into the backfield.

- Mike Adams (T/Ohio State) looks like he's got his game on track and has been dominant in the middle part of practice.

- Brian Linthicum (TE/Michigan State) has really impressed all day. He looked very athletic during opening drills and has made several impressive catches in full scrimmage.

[b]4:01 p.m. CT[/b] -- Senio Kelemete (G/Washington) has been incredibly athletic on the field and has stopped several top-rated pass rushers -- including Jack Crawford of Penn State -- dead in their tracks. In the full scrimmage Kelemete annihilated Vinny Curry on one play.

- Mike Martin (DT/Michigan) and Mike Brewster (C/Ohio State) have had a terrific battle all afternoon. Martin fired off several snaps and took the advantage with his first step, but Brewster adjusted and out-positioned Martin toward the end of the drill. It's been fun to watch.

- Shea McClellin (DE-LB/Boise State) spent much of his college career at defensive end but after tipping the scales at 248-pounds this morning, the coaching staff switched him to linebacker and thus far he's made the adjustment well. McClellin moves well in space, showing the ability to quickly change direction. He has a ways to go but you can tell there's something there.

[b]3:49 p.m. CT[/b] -- Alfonzo Dennard (CB/Nebraska) has struggled. He does not show a quick backpedal and struggled transitioning to run downfield with receivers. The usually reliable Dennard has not gotten his feet underneath him yet.

- Isaiah Pead (RB/Cincinnati) has been the most elusive and creative ball carrier of the day. On one play he made two defenders miss with his ability to cut back against the grain.

- Mike Adams (T/Ohio State) is really starting to pull it together. He's used his wide frame to out-position defenders and moves his feet well for a big man.

- Michael Egnew (TE/Missouri) has looked incredibly fluid and smooth all day. He's very natural catching the ball and shows nice tight end speed.

[b]3:46 p.m. CT[/b] -- Vinny Curry (DE/Marshall) has looked terrific in the early going. He's been matched up against Ohio State tackle Mike Adams, who has been rising up draft boards, yet he's bettered the Big Ten lineman. Curry has looked quick, athletic and fluid. Adams reverted to holding Curry in an attempt slow him down.

- To his credit Adams did rebound and has looked very good run blocking.

- Mike Quick (WR/Appalachian State) has struggled and looked outclassed. His routes are awfully slow and not sharp. He's also dropped several catchable throws.

- Marvin Jones (WR/Cal) has stood out in one-on-one drills. He probably runs the best routes of anyone on the North team, consistently separates from defensive backs and has made several outstanding receptions.

- Kirk Cousins (QB/Michigan State) has shown the best arm of any signal caller on the North and it's of legitimate NFL strength. He's powered the ball into the tight spots and has challenged the hands of his receivers.

[b]3:37 p.m. CT -- [/b]It's overcast and slightly raining as the first practice of the day has gotten underway at the Senior Bowl.

- Devier Posey (WR/Ohio State) looks terrific in the early going. He's run great routes and caught everything thrown in his direction. Posey looks very fluid and natural and does not look like a player that missed most of the 2011 season.

- TJ Graham (WR/North Carolina State) a late addition to the game, has also looked good. He's made several difficult receptions and has run crisp, quick routes.

- Marvin McNutt (WR/Iowa) has struggled in the early going. He looks very stiff and has dropped a number of catchable throws.

- Though its still early, Kellen Moore (QB/Boise State) does not look good. He shows no ability to put speed on his passes and his throws have consistently been behind receivers.

[b]10:30 a.m. CT --[/b] The 63rd Senior Bowl kicked off this morning, as more than 100 NFL hopefuls were weighed and measured in front of the league's 32 franchises, all of which had an assortment of general managers, coaches and scouts on hand. On stage at the Mobile Convention Center ballroom were several impressive looking athletes who'll take to the field this afternoon for the initial practice of the week.

Several notable prospects were no-shows this week, mostly due to injury. Fast-rising receiver Kendall Wright of Baylor has been recovering from an ankle injury which he played with late in the year, and Wisconsin receiver Nick Toon is struggling with a foot injury. Small-school offensive lineman Amini Silatolu of Midwestern State, graded by a number of scouts as a second-day draft pick, is not in Mobile due to a hamstring injury. Trumaine Johnson, a highly rated cornerback from Montana, turned down an invitation to the Senior Bowl as he told officials he "was not ready" to participate. That has sent up a number of red flags, as the small-school prospect was graded as a potential second-round pick.

Two players from Alabama's national title winning team are mending injuries and won't be on hand, including safety Mark Barron and defensive tackle Josh Chapman.

Chapman played the last part of the season with a knee ligament injury, which he further worsened during the title contest against LSU. He's now looking at a rehabilitation process that will take at least four months.

Scouts were pleased to see the bulk of the Tide's senior prospects opting to participate in the Senior Bowl less than two weeks after the title game. Courtney Upshaw, Marquis Maze, William Vlachos and DeQuan Menzi are all on hand and ready to take the field for Monday's practice.


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[oldschooler]

Pretty good blog about the Senior Bowll, says WR Michael Flyod isn't participating because
he didn't want or feel the need to go there.



http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/Senior-Bowl-Blog.php

[Tigris]

This is so exciting, especially since we have two 1st rounders.

[Bengals1181]

always interesting reading scouting reports. For example, I've read three different reports on Devier Posey from yesterday. One said he looked great, one said he looked like crap, one said he was just average.

[B.A.B.]

One thing is for sure. Doug Martin's stock is rissssssing. Still don't want Dennard. We may be able to get a solid guy around 2-4 at WR too.

[Tigris]

[quote name='B.A.B.' timestamp='1327417376' post='1091730']
One thing is for sure. Doug Martin's stock is rissssssing. Still don't want Dennard. We may be able to get a solid guy around 2-4 at WR too.
[/quote]

I have a Doug Martin picture on my dashboard.

[BBR]

[quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1327415990' post='1091719']
Pretty good blog about the Senior Bowll, says WR Michael Flyod isn't participating because
he didn't want or feel the need to go there.



[url="http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/Senior-Bowl-Blog.php"]http://www.draftcoun...r-Bowl-Blog.php[/url]
[/quote]


Yeah, that's very odd about Floyd. Odd enough that I'd look to someone else unless he blew me away in the interviews at the combine. I want guys that are competitors and are willing to show it.

[SocalBengalEd]

Maybe you guys are right Doug Martin at #21 isn't a reach. A team like the Lions Giants Patriots Packers could take him in the end of round #1.

[B.A.B.]

[quote name='SocalBengalEd' timestamp='1327421204' post='1091739']
Maybe you guys are right Doug Martin at #21 isn't a reach. A team like the Lions Giants Patriots Packers could take him in the end of round #1.
[/quote]
Indeed. Kinda surprising how some of the top teams are in need of a real running threat.

[Mikey6866]

There is alot of love for Martin on these boards...D. WIlson is far and away a better prospect....especially at pick #21. I do like Martin as well but would not pick him until the 2nd round. Only 2 guys I would want in the 1st round at RB would be Richardson or Wilson. They are the cream of the running back crop this year.