eva4ben-gal Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 dude you're lost, looking at some other player...come back and talk to me when you know what the fuck you're talking about. Ok, got guards mixed up. I'll admit it. Still stands that a OG at 2 is ridiculous, can you admit that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Ok, got guards mixed up. I'll admit it. Still stands that a OG at 2 is ridiculous, can you admit that? not like it used to be, because of the new CBA....the top picks aren't getting huge contracts with tons of guaranteed money anymore so taking a G early really isn't that big of a deal....he's absolutely one of the best players in this draft, the fact that he's a G is not gonna keep teams from taking him very early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Bolts get Johnathan Cooper - North Carolina There are a lot of great players out there, but they have to sure up that O-line some and he can play guard or center at a high level... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 spicoli, I don't like it but can not think of a better pick off the top of my head than what you did. Although it will certainly raise eyebrows on draft day IF that happens it will still be the only choice IF Jags are playing by the rule of filling a need vice getting BPA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I don't like it but can not think of a better pick off the top of my head than what you did. Although it will certainly raise eyebrows on draft day IF that happens it will still be the only choice IF Jags are playing by the rule of filling a need vice getting BPA... It wont happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 The Last Draft 1st Round1. Chiefs (akiliMVP) - OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M2. Jaguars (Bengals1181) - OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan3. Raiders (SocalBengalEd) - DT Shariff Floyd, Florida 4. Eagles (woodvillebengal) - OT Lane Johnson, Oklahoma5. Lions (spicoli) - CB Dee Milliner, Alabama 6. Browns (MichaelWeston) - OLB Dion Jordan, Oregon7. Cardinals (Tigris) - OT D.J. Fluker, Alabama8. Bills (Zins30) - WR Cordarelle Patterson, Tennessee9. Jets (Numbers) - OLB Barkevious Mingo, LSU10. Titans (cincyjack) - DT Star Lotulelei, Utah11. Chargers (ButchWalkerRokks) - OG Chance Warmack, Alabama12. Dolphins (Jamie_ B ) - DE Ezekial Ansah, BYU13. Buccaneers (kennethmw) - CB Xavier Rhodes, Florida State14. Panthers (Big Alice) - OG Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina15. Saints (eskimo) - OLB Jarvis Jones, Georgia16. Rams (happyrid) - S Kenny Vaccaro, Texas17. Steelers (Dr Tarzan) - WR Keenan Allen, Cal18. Cowboys (JBandJoeyV) - DE Bjoern Werner, Florida State19. Giants (Mikey6866) - DE Damontre Moore, Texas A&M20. Bears (Marvin) - CB Jamar Taylor, Boise State21. Bengals (voting for pick) - WR Tavon Austin, West Virginia 22. Rams from Redskins (happyrid) - DT Sheldon Richardson, Missouri23. Vikings (Jason) - CB Desmond Trufant, Washington24. Colts (sparky151) - CB Jonathan Banks, Mississippi State25. Seahawks (Bengal27) - DE Datone Jones, UCLA26. Packers (VBurfict55) - TE Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame27. Texans (turningpoint) - ILB Alec Ogletree, Georgia28. Broncos (unleashed) - RB Eddie Lacy, Alabama 29. Patriots (Montecore) - WR DeAndre Hopkins, Clemson 30. Falcons (FulcherVulcher33) - DE Alex Okafor, Texas31. 49ers (JC) - S Jonathan Cypien, FIU32. Ravens (Le Tigre) - ILB Kevin Minter, LSU 2nd Round33. Jaguars (Bengals1181) - LB Arthur Brown, Kansas State34. 49ers from Chiefs (JC) - DE Margus Hunt, SMU35. Eagles (woodvillebengal) - DT Jonathan Hankins, Ohio State36. Lions (spicoli) - OLB Khaseem Greene, Rutgers37. Bengals from Raiders (voting on pick) - MLB Rey Maualuga, Notre Dame38. Cardinals (Tigris) - QB Geno Smith, West Virginia39. Jets (Numbers) - WR Da'Rick Rogers, Tennessee Tech40. Titans (cincyjack) - S Matt Elam, Florida41. Bills (Zins30) - DE/OLB Cornelious Carradine, Florida State42. Dolphins (Jamie_B ) - WR Quinton Patton, Louisiana Tech43. Buccaneers (kennethmw) - OLB Chase Thomas, Stanford44. Panthers (Big Alice) - DT John Jenkins, Georgia45. Chargers (ButchWalkerRokks) - CB Darius Slay, Mississippi State46. Rams (happyrid) - OT Menelik Watson, Florida State47. Cowboys (JBandJoeyV) - OL Barrett Jones, Alabama48. Steelers (Dr Tarzan) - RB Giovani Bernard, North Carolina49. Giants (Mikey6686) - DT Kawan Short, Purdue50. Bears (Marvin) - OT Terron Armstead, Arkansas Pine Bluff51. Redskins (akiliMVP) - WR Justin Hunter, Tennessee52. Vikings (Jason) - S Eric Reid, LSU53. Bengals (voting on pick) - RB Jonathan Franklin, UCLA54. Dolphins from Colts (Jamie_B ) - CB Robert Alford, Southeastern Louisiana55. Packers (VBurfict55) - RB Andre Ellington, Clemson56. Seahawks (Bengal27) - OT Kyle Long, Oregon57. Texans (turningpoint) - QB Matt Barkley, USC58. Broncos (unleashed) - DT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina 59. Patriots (Montecore) - DT Jesse Williams, Alabama60. Falcons (FulcherVulcher33) - TE Zach Ertz, Stanford61. 49ers (JC) - WR Robert Woods, USC 62. Ravens (Le Tigre) - S Shamarko Thomas, Syracuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eva4ben-gal Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 not like it used to be, because of the new CBA....the top picks aren't getting huge contracts with tons of guaranteed money anymore so taking a G early really isn't that big of a deal....he's absolutely one of the best players in this draft, the fact that he's a G is not gonna keep teams from taking him very early on. I get the line of reasoning and maybe someday a guard goes that high, I just don't think it's this year. Money aside, I still think guard is way down there on the list of important positions. You have the entire draft board to work with, only one player selected, and you're going guard? That's reaching for need UNLESS you truly believe he's the best player in the draft, and if he is why isn't he playing left tackle? See where I'm going here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 he's a consensus top 5 player and the fact that these draft picks don't get huge money anymore allows teams to take players a little sooner than they might get picked otherwise....besides that, interior o-line is a HUGE need for the Jags. That logic only applies to traditionally expensive positions (QB, DE, LT... etc). For example would be more inclined to bet on a QB since he won't crush you if he fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I don't like it but can not think of a better pick off the top of my head than what you did. Although it will certainly raise eyebrows on draft day IF that happens it will still be the only choice IF Jags are playing by the rule of filling a need vice getting BPA... I thought maybe one of the O-tackles would fall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98 This never gets old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 spicoli, I don't like it but can not think of a better pick off the top of my head than what you did. Although it will certainly raise eyebrows on draft day IF that happens it will still be the only choice IF Jags are playing by the rule of filling a need vice getting BPA... thanks. the thing that's getting overlooked is the fact that Chance Warmack is ABSOLUTELY one of the elite players in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I get the line of reasoning and maybe someday a guard goes that high, I just don't think it's this year. Money aside, I still think guard is way down there on the list of important positions. You have the entire draft board to work with, only one player selected, and you're going guard? That's reaching for need UNLESS you truly believe he's the best player in the draft, and if he is why isn't he playing left tackle? See where I'm going here? well do you really think top 2 in this draft is really all that different than top 7? because I guarantee that whether he ends up with the Jags or not, he's not getting out of the top 7......if he can go at 7, he can go at 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zins30 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 thanks. the thing that's getting overlooked is the fact that Chance Warmack is ABSOLUTELY one of the elite players in this draft. From what I've read he's much like Andre... good road grader in the run game, but a bit of liability in the pass game. I don't disagree he's a good player but he won't go #2. Last year at this time everyone was singing the praises of DeCastro, calling him the next Steve Hutchison, etc... and teams graded him in the 20s. I think Warmack will go first round but in the 2nd half f the first round. Just my opinion based on how teams value the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 with the 12th pick in the Forum Mock Draft, the Miami Dolphins select....CB Xavier Rhodes Florida St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 well do you really think top 2 in this draft is really all that different than top 7? because I guarantee that whether he ends up with the Jags or not, he's not getting out of the top 7......if he can go at 7, he can go at 2. I'd be surprised if he goes top 7, possible I guess, but I'd be surprised. Heck I've seen mocks that have Cooper ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I'd be surprised if he goes top 7, possible I guess, but I'd be surprised. Heck I've seen mocks that have Cooper ahead of him. I don't see him getting past Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I don't see him getting past Arizona I guess well see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 well do you really think top 2 in this draft is really all that different than top 7? because I guarantee that whether he ends up with the Jags or not, he's not getting out of the top 7......if he can go at 7, he can go at 2. ridiculous. There's been exactly 1 guard drafted in the top 10 in the last 25 years, let alone top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Numbers| Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 thanks. the thing that's getting overlooked is the fact that Chance Warmack is ABSOLUTELY one of the elite players in this draft. I don't believe him to be the Elite player in the NFL draft. That would reside with a "game changer" or someone else at the position of QB, LT, 4-3 RDE, CB, or 3-4 OLB. OG is rated as a Tier 5 position and is not looked at until all players of value have been gone over above that. With that being said, there are some DE's, CB's, and LT's out there that could be a "Better Value" than an OG. However, like I said previously, the Jags may be looking to fill a need and it would not surprise me if they did what you thought. This draft will be one of the drafts where I will say WTF more than once. Teams will try and FIT a player in and there will be others that simply draft BPA. BPA doesn't cause me any WTFs but when a fit/need is filled they usually cause me to utter WTF. My 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 ridiculous. There's been exactly 1 guard drafted in the top 10 in the last 25 years, let alone top 5. you're not even in this mock so who gives a fuck? the Jags biggest need is at interior OL and they filled that need with the best interior lineman in the draft. don't like it? you pick for em next time....otherwise STFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 you're not even in this mock so who gives a fuck? the Jags biggest need is at interior OL and they filled that need with the best interior lineman in the draft. don't like it? you pick for em next time....otherwise STFU :20: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 :20: yeah, good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Worse pick: Warmack #2 in v2.0 or Fluker #7 in v1.0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Worse pick: Warmack #2 in v2.0 or Fluker #7 in v1.0? Fluker IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 do you all realize that under the new CBA it doesn't matter what position you pick at number 2? you pay for the slot, not the position. whoever you chose gets the same money whether it's a QB, DT, LT or LG. so knowing that, why does it matter? find me a draft board right now that doesn't list Warmack as a top 5 talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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