Bye Week Notes

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well it happened right after the pick six...

 

So after a pick six all booing is directed towards the QB?  Don't get me wrong, I think he booing was for Dalton.  I'm just saying I think it's a little hypocritical for coaches to "know it all" and assume the booing was just for Dalton.  I'm sure there were plenty of people booing the entire offense.  Like I said, we might not know who's fault the INTs were, but we do know there wasn't supposed to be an interception and it's fair to boo the lack of execution and everyone involved.  It's not like this was an isolated event, the O has been bad for a few games now.

[mongo]

The boo birds around me certainly wanted Dalton benched, cut, and strung up. I think the thought the booing was generally aimed at the offense is wrong.

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Coley Harvey ‏@ColeyHarvey10m

According to the #Bengals, fans donated 7,391 pounds of food and nearly $19,600 in last Sunday's can food drive

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was bound to happen.

 

 

 

 

Cincinnati Bengals ‏@Bengals1m

Roster move: We have signed DT Christo Bilukidi and released DT Kheeston Randall. #Bengals

[SlantNGo]

was bound to happen.

 

 

 

 

Cincinnati Bengals ‏@Bengals1m

Roster move: We have signed DT Christo Bilukidi and released DT Kheeston Randall. #Bengals

 

The nfl.com gamebook shows that Randall #90 was active but didn't play. I swear I saw him in there on one play blowing the right guard 7 yards into the backfield like he was Geno Atkins. Maybe I was just confusing #90 with #98 Brandon Thompson. Anyone else see this?

[Bengals1181]

 

The nfl.com gamebook shows that Randall #90 was active but didn't play. I swear I saw him in there on one play blowing the right guard 7 yards into the backfield like he was Geno Atkins. Maybe I was just confusing #90 with #98 Brandon Thompson. Anyone else see this?

 

 

I saw someone ask the same on twitter, but it was decided that it was Thompson.

[scharm]

They weren't booing. It was Bruuuuuuuuuce. Delayed reaction from Reds season.

It happens sometimes. Gave Pete Johnson a huge ego with all the Peeeeete cheers.

[alleycat]

The nfl.com gamebook shows that Randall #90 was active but didn't play. I swear I saw him in there on one play blowing the right guard 7 yards into the backfield like he was Geno Atkins. Maybe I was just confusing #90 with #98 Brandon Thompson. Anyone else see this?

Yep. I saw the same thing.

[Bengals1181]

Dalton in familiar spot for December

 

 

After watching his team head into the bye week scoring 31 points in less than 15 minutes after combining for 37 in the 128 minutes of the previous two games, head coach Marvin Lewis may not be too sure what he'll get from his Kings Island Bengals in this screeching season of a rollercoaster when he arrives back Monday.

Well, he does know one thing: he's not going to have to worry about his quarterback's confidence.

"That's the thing about Andy," Lewis said with an admiring shake of his head. "He's always the same. He never changes."

Dalton's numbers certainly have, thanks to the last three games, where he had a 66.7 passer rating, a 50-point dip from his torrid stretch in the previous four games. But Dalton headed off into the bye as usual, on a keel as even as an interstate.

"I'm as confident as ever; we're in a really good position right now," Dalton said Tuesday. "For us as a team we feel like we're in control of everything. And that's where we want to be at this point."

 

Say what they will about Dalton, and they will say, but he's been here three seasons and for the third straight one he has his team at the top of the stretch with a shot at the playoffs. And he's a magic number away from becoming just the fifth quarterback in history to reach the postseason in his first three seasons.

 

It's the second time Dalton has steered the Bengals into December with seven victories. The only Cincinnati quarterbacks that have done that since the advent of the 16-game schedule in 1978 are Carson Palmer (2005-06, 2009) and Boomer Esiason (1986, 1988).

It's not a lock. The Bengals ended the '06 season with three straight losses to miss the playoffs and 20 years before that 10 wins weren't enough to get out of the AFC Central. But Dalton has the Bengals at 7-4 with career record of 6-3 in December.

And confidence.

"You want to be in a good position in December. It leads you into January. I've been fortunate enough to be able to do that the first three years I've been here," Dalton said. "I'm not playing the game for what everybody is writing."

It's a good thing because as every Cincinnati school kid knows, Dalton is getting skewered in some circles. But if you're looking for a combustible, red-hot 25-second NFL Network sound bite that drones on until the next explosion, you've got the wrong redhead.

"When you play the quarterback position, you're going to get praise for stuff you probably shouldn't get praise for and you're going to get criticized for something you probably shouldn't get criticized for," Dalton said. "It comes with playing the position."

The heat is on, especially after Sunday's 93-yard passing effort Sunday and his two interceptions that staked the Browns to a 13-0 lead. His next interception is going to tie last year's high of 16. But if Dalton's confidence isn't budging, then neither is that of Lewis and his leaders.

"He also brought you back in Buffalo and Detroit when they scored touchdowns at the end of the game and won the games," said left tackle Andrew Whitworth. "Sometimes we forget. We were put in situations where he had to win the game for us and he's done it. That's the main thing. We have to realize the ups and downs."

Sunday's two picks? Here seems to be the consensus inside:

Dalton never should have thrown the first one. Bad play from the outset. On the second one, wide receiverA.J. Green didn't respond in the route or to the ball.

Which is what seems to have spurred Lewis's comments from Monday when asked what he'd tell Dalton going into the bye.

"I tell Andy what I keep telling him all the time—you’ve got to get those guys to play to your standard. You’ve got to get them right, and it’s up to you that if they’re not right, you’ve got to make the corrections," Lewis said. "That’s what his job is. As coaches we’ve got to make sure that he’s not having the brunt on his shoulders all the time. We’ve got to get him protected; we can’t get him jostled around and get beaten right away.

"We can’t get beat in protection. We are good enough to not allow pressures, so he can stand there and do his job worry-free. It takes it all together to do it right. We take ourselves out of opportunity when we get flushed out of the pocket and we’ve got guys wide open."

Dalton's numbers have changed, but the projected ones wouldn't keep the Bengals out of the hunt. With 31 touchdown passes he'd become only the second Bengal to throw 30 in a season, joining Palmer in the '05 North title season. His 22 interceptions would be the most by one Bengal since Jon Kitna in 2001, but Esiason once led the Bengals into one postseason with 22 picks and the NFL's 25th-ranked defense.

Dalton's 4,269 passing yards project to a club record, but wouldn't mean much with a couple more three-interception games. And Dalton knows he's got to be consistent.

"We've done some good things and we've struggled in some areas," Dalton said. "The biggest thing is consistency. Finding ways to keep scoring points and giving ourselves a chance to win games."

Whitworth admits the lack of consistency is galling. But he also doesn't want his offense going into the bye week with its head between its legs. He remembers the Ravens losing four out of their last five last year before getting into the playoffs and winning it all.

"You have to be careful not to beat yourself down," Whitworth said. "If Baltimore had listened to everyone they wouldn't have won a Super Bowl. They played terrible for the last four or five games of the season and got hot at the right moment. You have to understand the things you're doing well."

What Dalton has done well is get his team to the stretch.

"That's all you can ask for," Whitworth said.

When the Bengals come back, they don't face a top 10 defense. The defenses they face are ranked 27, 22, 14, 30 and 13.

"I'm never worried about (No.) 14," Whitworth said. "I've always been a believer that you're the kind of guy that literally lives and breathes this stuff no matter what, you're going to have ups and downs but you're going to come out of it if you devote yourself to what you do. And he's continued to do that in the short amount of time he's been here. Even in the bad runs, he's come out of it and found a way to be successful and lead us. He'll do that."

Dalton shrugged.

"It comes with the position," he said.

Good Andy. Bad Andy. But he's Andy, and the Bengals don't mind taking him into another December.

 

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Dalton-in-familiar-spot-for-December/17c7a754-1d62-4e6d-91c2-2e69debb4c1a

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I saw someone ask the same on twitter, but it was decided that it was Thompson.

 

I saw #90 make that play, it was down in my end. And it wasn't Thompson..because #98 was on the field too. I thought I heard Randall's name called on the PA...but it was drowned out a bit.     

[Tigris]

 
 
This is one thing about ML's personality I hate.   He thinks that because fans don't have the inside information that we are too damn stupid to figure out what the planned execution is supposed to be.   It's sophisticated but it ain't rocket science.  It's not like it's the first time we've seen most of these plays.  Also, judging from some of the player responses, THEY don't always seem to know what the execution of the play should be sometimes.    
 
But then again, we don't have the investment in this team.  
Condescending Ass.

It's true; we don't know.

Say Andy gets his ass ringed as a blitzing LB goes through the A gap. We see the C engage and the G stand there waiting waiting for the end to twist or something. Who's fault is it? What if Andy called for RB gap A protection so the guard could keep an eye on the twist from T. Suggs because that's what they've seen in film on 20% of plays from 3rd and 8+ yards. Who's fault does it look like it is if the RB misses the call, runs something into the flats? Unless Andy jumps the RB, we think it's the guard, right? There's too many things none of us know to make that at fault call.

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Lance McAlister ‏@LanceMcAlister48s

"little inconsistent, but they believe in him, most importantly his teammates believe in him,"B.Polian on Dalton, ESPN NFL Insiders

Cincinnati Bengals ‏@Bengals10m

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It's true; we don't know.
Say Andy gets his ass ringed as a blitzing LB goes through the A gap. We see the C engage and the G stand there waiting waiting for the end to twist or something. Who's fault is it? What if Andy called for RB gap A protection so the guard could keep an eye on the twist from T. Suggs because that's what they've seen in film on 20% of plays from 3rd and 8+ yards. Who's fault does it look like it is if the RB misses the call, runs something into the flats? Unless Andy jumps the RB, we think it's the guard, right? There's too many things none of us know to make that at fault call.

Yep. I said something similar in my who killed the drive thread.

But that doesn't mean we can't judge anything either. For example, if a lineman engages a defender and gets beat one on one, someone drops a pass etc etc. My particular well documented pet peeve has been forcing the ball to AJ when he's double or triple covered.

Still, on pass plays especially it seems ill-advised to assume we know what was supposed to happen - especially if the players weren't even on the same page (which one could argue is the real issue and might be a more global (coaching) problem).

[Tigris]

Yep. I said something similar in my who killed the drive thread.

But that doesn't mean we can't judge anything either. For example, if a lineman engages a defender and gets beat one on one, someone drops a pass etc etc. My particular well documented pet peeve has been forcing the ball to AJ when he's double or triple covered.

Still, on pass plays especially it seems ill-advised to assume we know what was supposed to happen - especially if the players weren't even on the same page (which one could argue is the real issue and might be a more global (coaching) problem).

You're right but I was specifically referring to Tarzan over ML and his comments towards the INT play.

I do agree though - a dropped pass is a dropped pass. Not really much else to it.

[cincity]

Something that may have been lost in Sunday's Browns game, because Boling got hurt on the drive and most assumed it happened because of it but….  Robinson came in at the Center position to start that drive. With the bye week coming up, do you think Robinson finally gets a chance to start again?

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Something that may have been lost in Sunday's Browns game, because Boling got hurt on the drive and most assumed it happened because of it but….  Robinson came in at the Center position to start that drive. With the bye week coming up, do you think Robinson finally gets a chance to start again?

 

 

cook was also hurt (thigh injury)

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Cincinnati Bengals ‏@Bengals1h

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cook was also hurt (thigh injury)

 

Oh… Boooo… lol NVM

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Joe Kay ‏@apjoekay1h

#Bengals' Michael Johnson 2nd in NFL with 5 passes batted down, according to STATS. Connor Barwin leads with 6 .http://ca.news.yahoo.com/michael-johnsons-long-arms-helping-bengals-stay-first-200639639--nfl.html …

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It's true; we don't know.

Say Andy gets his ass ringed as a blitzing LB goes through the A gap. We see the C engage and the G stand there waiting waiting for the end to twist or something. Who's fault is it? What if Andy called for RB gap A protection so the guard could keep an eye on the twist from T. Suggs because that's what they've seen in film on 20% of plays from 3rd and 8+ yards. Who's fault does it look like it is if the RB misses the call, runs something into the flats? Unless Andy jumps the RB, we think it's the guard, right? There's too many things none of us know to make that at fault call.

 

Good thing that's not what's in question then...

 

What is in question are 2 very questionable decisions to throw....no, force it to AJ when other options were certainly available.  That goes back to locking on and in to one receiver and throwing it, no matter what.  It happens often, unfortunately.   It's very dangerous.   As we saw Sunday.   I'm not concerned about whose fault it was on each play, what I'm concerned about is the decision to throw there when you have people wide open in front of you.....Gio....with no one around him.   You have to take that checkdown to Gio every time....AJ had multiple people around him.   What's the need to go AJ's direction?  So I would say me being a fan, is absolutely right about this and I would imagine that's what was told to Dalton during film review.   Marvin isn't going to say anything different to the media.....have you not watched/heard him for the past 10 yrs?   This is what coaches do, say.  

 

Absolutely there are some jackass fans out there frothing at the mouth throwing blame and their anger at whatever player they heard was being criticized on the radio by Billy in Goshen or at the office, more than likely Dalton so they go along with it at the game......after all, the game is a social event to these people. 

 

Good thing is he made some throws when he had to....the throw to Gresham was pretty fantastic.  I do like his resiliency, I must say. 

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Joe Kay ‏@apjoekay1h

#Bengals' Michael Johnson 2nd in NFL with 5 passes batted down, according to STATS. Connor Barwin leads with 6 .http://ca.news.yahoo.com/michael-johnsons-long-arms-helping-bengals-stay-first-200639639--nfl.html …

 

 

Imagine if MJ played against Dalton twice a year

 

 

:ninja:

[Bgal]

 I'm not concerned about whose fault it was on each play, what I'm concerned about is the decision to throw there when you have people wide open in front of you.....Gio....with no one around him.   You have to take that checkdown to Gio every time....AJ had multiple people around him.   What's the need to go AJ's direction?    

 

 

 

Wait.... but if Dalton takes the easy checkdown then how is how ever going to have a high QBR?

[eva4ben-gal]

Man it sucks when our quarterback throws interceptions in wins. If he completes 100% and we lose at least we could say we have a good quarterback. As it stands we have what? Oh yeah that's right... WINNING.

[Le Tigre]

Minor details.

[CincyInDC]

I'll just put this here...

 

 

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