Bengals1181 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Carson was 10th. NFL @nfl4m Top 10: QBs taken No. 1 overall http://on.nfl.com/10FB6oe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Carson can get to #6 by the end of the year if he works hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 McKenzie had nothing to do with the deals for Seymour and The Quitter. He wasn't the Raiders GM until January 2012. Take this FWIW...it may or may not be what is happening in the East Bay: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1594204-believe-it-or-not-reggie-mckenzie-has-the-raiders-on-the-right-track Right, I'm not blaming him for making those deals, I'm saying he hasn't done much to improve the situation he stepped into. He hasn't been able to negotiate any of his overpaid guys down to market deals. He hasn't been able to sign vets cheap like other teams have done. Basically he's made it clear the Raiders aren't trying in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Right, I'm not blaming him for making those deals, I'm saying he hasn't done much to improve the situation he stepped into. He hasn't been able to negotiate any of his overpaid guys down to market deals. He hasn't been able to sign vets cheap like other teams have done. Basically he's made it clear the Raiders aren't trying in 2013. Well, they haven't been trying for 10 yrs, what's another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Well, they haven't been trying for 10 yrs, what's another? Oh, they've been trying...to dig the hole deeper. At least the management has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Carson can get to #6 by the end of the year if he works hard. On the Cardinal's depth chart? Possibly, if he has a good camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBengalsFan Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 Right, I'm not blaming him for making those deals, I'm saying he hasn't done much to improve the situation he stepped into. He hasn't been able to negotiate any of his overpaid guys down to market deals. He hasn't been able to sign vets cheap like other teams have done. Basically he's made it clear the Raiders aren't trying in 2013. It takes two to tango, he can't unilaterally force players to renegotiate and he can't force free agents to sign an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 It takes two to tango, he can't unilaterally force players to renegotiate and he can't force free agents to sign an offer. Sure but when you make it clear you aren't trying to win, you get things like Palmer forcing his way out, Newman turning down more money, Huff playing for peanuts elsewhere, Asomughua signing for carwash coupons in SF, etc. A good GM who could give his team reason to believe the worst was behind them might have kept some of those players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 Sure but when you make it clear you aren't trying to win, you get things like Palmer forcing his way out, Newman turning down more money, Huff playing for peanuts elsewhere, Asomughua signing for carwash coupons in SF, etc. A good GM who could give his team reason to believe the worst was behind them might have kept some of those players. You can't fix everything in a year, so I don't see why you wouldn't just let some of the schlubs play out their contract, or at least until you have someone better. Carson would have cost 13 million this year, big deal. They just replaced him with a guy costing five, and have to pay CP 9 million regardless. Not exactly fiscally sound. I was wrong about the draft picks, though,,,there's no cost this year, just next year and the year after for Flynn. And not only do they demonstrate they aren't trying to win, but they also show that they don't intend to live up to the contracts they sign. This can't help but make the task of negotiation harder in the future. Mike Brown may not overpay, but at least if you keep up your game you can be pretty sure of seeing that last year of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Patrick Daugherty @RotoPat5m The Raiders have $48M in dead money and just one draft pick in the first 65 selections. Incomprehensibly inept roster construction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange 'n Black Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 You can't fix everything in a year, so I don't see why you wouldn't just let some of the schlubs play out their contract, or at least until you have someone better. Carson would have cost 13 million this year, big deal. They just replaced him with a guy costing five, and have to pay CP 9 million regardless. Not exactly fiscally sound. I was wrong about the draft picks, though,,,there's no cost this year, just next year and the year after for Flynn. And not only do they demonstrate they aren't trying to win, but they also show that they don't intend to live up to the contracts they sign. This can't help but make the task of negotiation harder in the future. Mike Brown may not overpay, but at least if you keep up your game you can be pretty sure of seeing that last year of the deal. Again... the Raiders wanted out of CP's contract not just for this year but for the future. McKenzie is totally clear about the fact that he's purging the roster of all the terrible contracts and personnel that have built up over the past several years. It doesn't take a genius to see there was only one way out of that mess - by taking a hacksaw to it. Next year they have $70mil in cap space and all their top draft picks. They'll be relevant within two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 McFadden will want out soon enough, ...he'll be asked to carry most of the load during this time with little to no chance of the playoffs. RB's don't last long in the league and he will likely be replaced before they can become a contender again. If he's smart, ...he'll demand a trade now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 McFadden will want out soon enough, ...he'll be asked to carry most of the load during this time with little to no chance of the playoffs. RB's don't last long in the league and he will likely be replaced before they can become a contender again. If he's smart, ...he'll demand a trade now. His smartest move is simply to play out the last year of his rookie contract and go from there. He came into the league before the new rookie wage scale and cashed in with a huge contract. I think he is making something like $9M this year, which is more than guys like Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Arian Foster, etc. got when they signed their recent extensions. Because his salary is so big this year, I think it would make it almost impossible for the Raiders to franchise him next March. He will be an interesting FA to watch next offseason. He will still be pretty young (26 I think) and he obviously has a lot of talent. But he is a RB and they don't usually get big money. Especially a guy like him who has a ton of trouble staying healthy. If the Bengals aren't able to get a difference maker in this year's draft, he could be an interesting guy to take a look at if there isn't much of a market for him. There's a pretty good chance that Chris Johnson ends up on the open market next offseason as well. His contract is ridiculous and most of the guaranteed money will have been paid out by the end of this year, so it actually becomes feasible for them to cut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 His smartest move is simply to play out the last year of his rookie contract and go from there. He came into the league before the new rookie wage scale and cashed in with a huge contract. I think he is making something like $9M this year, which is more than guys like Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Arian Foster, etc. got when they signed their recent extensions. Because his salary is so big this year, I think it would make it almost impossible for the Raiders to franchise him next March. He will be an interesting FA to watch next offseason. He will still be pretty young (26 I think) and he obviously has a lot of talent. But he is a RB and they don't usually get big money. Especially a guy like him who has a ton of trouble staying healthy. If the Bengals aren't able to get a difference maker in this year's draft, he could be an interesting guy to take a look at if there isn't much of a market for him. There's a pretty good chance that Chris Johnson ends up on the open market next offseason as well. His contract is ridiculous and most of the guaranteed money will have been paid out by the end of this year, so it actually becomes feasible for them to cut him. McFadden will carry that whole team this season and for nothing, ...it's a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I thought the Tag was the average of the top x players at a position? If so, and his contract is huge, then wouldn't a tag contract work out less than he currently earns? His smartest move is simply to play out the last year of his rookie contract and go from there. He came into the league before the new rookie wage scale and cashed in with a huge contract. I think he is making something like $9M this year, which is more than guys like Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Arian Foster, etc. got when they signed their recent extensions. Because his salary is so big this year, I think it would make it almost impossible for the Raiders to franchise him next March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorclaws Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I thought the Tag was the average of the top x players at a position? If so, and his contract is huge, then wouldn't a tag contract work out less than he currently earns? It's the average or a 20% raise, whatever is bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I thought the Tag was the average of the top x players at a position? If so, and his contract is huge, then wouldn't a tag contract work out less than he currently earns? It's the average or 120% of your previous year's salary, whichever is greater, if I'm correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 McFadden will carry that whole team this season and for nothing, ...it's a waste. He has had one 1000 yard season in 5 years. Guy isn't carrying anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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