claptonrocks Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 3 hours ago, PatternMaster said: Exactly, one of the owners of the team is charge of scouting/personnel so he's not going to fire himself. They don't break it down by position group, the scouting is done regionally. They have input from the coaches on what type of guy they like, but there's no o-line specific scout. I think it's more of a development issue and that is an NFL/football problem not just the Bengals, there's like 5 teams that have what many consider to be a good offensive line, and the rest of the teams are struggling to figure it out. The biggest problem is the level of coaching that exists in the high school and college ranks don't properly prepare guys for the NFL game. When you have hacks like Jim Turner teaching young guys how to play offensive line then it's no wonder why many of the offensive line players come into the NFL not prepared to play at a high level. If teams paid offensive line coaches higher salaries, promoted offensive line coaches to HC positions, etc...then you would see the quality of the players evolve. Being an offensive line coach is typically a dead-end job, there like 1 or 2 guys who have been offensive line coaches and ascended to be an HC so if you are a talented coach why would you want to be an offensive line coach unless you just really love it and don't have aspirations of being a HC. Great points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 Bolts just fired HC and GM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 28 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: Bolts just fired HC and GM A shocker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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claptonrocks Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 20 minutes ago, Montana Bengal said: What was once the best Oline has been decimated by injuries. Tough sailing from here on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 27 minutes ago, Montana Bengal said: At some point the injuries have to catch up to the Browns and they start losing some games.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 Just now, PatternMaster said: At some point the injuries have to catch up to the Browns and they start losing some games.. It's about to start.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: It's about to start.. That last game of the year could be for the playoffs, should be fun to see it play out . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Le Tigre Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: At some point the injuries have to catch up to the Browns and they start losing some games.. CHI is good at stopping the run—which is a CFT mainstay. They are crap against the pass, and teams score on them easily. They also are crap at pass protection, although their run game has gotten steadily better. Fields is Fields—so who knows whether the phenom or the plodder comes to play. Hard to say which way this one goes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 17 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: 8 or 9 times out of 10 the red flag guys keep those flags and flame out. So all teams were correct in assessing Jones based on known issues. He seems to have overcome them , for now, but it is pretty rare that a drafted player in this situation does so. Jones' red flags were exaggerated. He left the Senior Bowl early after a concussion. He didn't work out at the OSU pro day due to a sore toe. He did visits and interviews with a number of teams. Maybe he's not a great interviewer but he is a good player and was a good prospect who fell lower than he should have. He had great tape and his injuries weren't serious. The Bengals among other teams missed on him. 4 hours ago, PatternMaster said: Exactly, one of the owners of the team is charge of scouting/personnel so he's not going to fire himself. They don't break it down by position group, the scouting is done regionally. They have input from the coaches on what type of guy they like, but there's no o-line specific scout. I think it's more of a development issue and that is an NFL/football problem not just the Bengals, there's like 5 teams that have what many consider to be a good offensive line, and the rest of the teams are struggling to figure it out. The biggest problem is the level of coaching that exists in the high school and college ranks don't properly prepare guys for the NFL game. When you have hacks like Jim Turner teaching young guys how to play offensive line then it's no wonder why many of the offensive line players come into the NFL not prepared to play at a high level. If teams paid offensive line coaches higher salaries, promoted offensive line coaches to HC positions, etc...then you would see the quality of the players evolve. Being an offensive line coach is typically a dead-end job, there like 1 or 2 guys who have been offensive line coaches and ascended to be an HC so if you are a talented coach why would you want to be an offensive line coach unless you just really love it and don't have aspirations of being a HC. The Bengals woulr probably be well served to bring in a better O-line coach. Maybe Mike Munchak wants back in the league? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 An early test about Jones' red flags will be how he rehabs his knee injury after the surgery recovery period. Does he do the hard grind that will be necessary to get back on the field as soon as possible? Will his weight blow up as a result of inactivity during the offseason? Boom-or-bust guys like Dawand Jones can boom one year and then bust the next... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, dex said: An early test about Jones' red flags will be how he rehabs his knee injury after the surgery recovery period. Does he do the hard grind that will be necessary to get back on the field as soon as possible? Will his weight blow up as a result of inactivity during the offseason? Boom-or-bust guys like Dawand Jones can boom one year and then bust the next... Exactly, he had a few good games but let's not put him the HOF just yet. Full disclosure, I wanted the Bengals to draft Jones and was disappointed when he wasn't but they have access to may more info on these guys than we do. He might have medical issues that aren't disclosed to the public and his unusual size and weight could be a problem for him if/when he gets hurt. To your point about him rehabbing, that will be a huge test as he will have to work hard to get back, lose weight, etc..so only time will tell. I just wish he was on the Bengals so I could root for him, but he's not so..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texbengal Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 17 hours ago, Mikeslumina said: Raiders brought In our old coach marvin Lewis. He had a raiders shirt on was helping their coach out. The raiders were up 35-0 so marvin must have turned them around. Good for Marvin. He was on the staff at Arizona State when Herm Edwards was HC, and Pierce joined the defensive staff too. I know some don't like Marvin, but he's a helluva defensive coach. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 Just saw where the Oiltans are going to be wearing their Oiler powder blues and derrick helmets against HOU this Sunday. How strange is that going to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esjbh2 Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Le Tigre said: Just saw where the Oiltans are going to be wearing their Oiler powder blues and derrick helmets against HOU this Sunday. How strange is that going to be? Wow...very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 2 hours ago, texbengal said: Good for Marvin. He was on the staff at Arizona State when Herm Edwards was HC, and Pierce joined the defensive staff too. I know some don't like Marvin, but he's a helluva defensive coach. He was a good HC as well, one of the best this franchise has ever had, definitely top 5. He just couldn't win the big game, that was his ultimate weakness...if every game was at 1 pm EST he would be a great coach, it was when the bright lights came on that he puckered up and couldn't get it done. Glad to see him mentor Pierce, maybe if Pierce gets the HC job he will be apart of his staff in some capacity. If Marvin has Joe Burrow I think he would have been a HOF level coach or if Carson didn't shred his knee in 2005 and Chris Henry die a few months later...things could have been different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Jersey Bengal Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: He was a good HC as well, one of the best this franchise has ever had, definitely top 5. He just couldn't win the big game, that was his ultimate weakness...if every game was at 1 pm EST he would be a great coach, it was when the bright lights came on that he puckered up and couldn't get it done. Glad to see him mentor Pierce, maybe if Pierce gets the HC job he will be apart of his staff in some capacity. If Marvin has Joe Burrow I think he would have been a HOF level coach or if Carson didn't shred his knee in 2005 and Chris Henry die a few months later...things could have been different. Or David pollack get hurt or Odell Thurman not be a knucklehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Le Tigre said: Just saw where the Oiltans are going to be wearing their Oiler powder blues and derrick helmets against HOU this Sunday. How strange is that going to be? Troll level 100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, New Jersey Bengal said: Or David pollack get hurt or Odell Thurman not be a knucklehead It's crazy if you think about how much went wrong and all the wild shit that went down while he was HC...it would make a good 30 for 30.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Troll level 100 It's like Ray J vs Kanye West for the battle of Kim K...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 Just now, PatternMaster said: It's like Ray J vs Kanye West for the battle of Kim K...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Jersey Bengal Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: It's crazy if you think about how much went wrong and all the wild shit that went down while he was HC...it would make a good 30 for 30.. And Chris perry not get injured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted December 16, 2023 Report Share Posted December 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Jamie_B said: Troll level 100 You know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted December 16, 2023 Report Share Posted December 16, 2023 Heck, this place is still standing…play it here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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