spicoli Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 If we’re taking OL in R1 give me the pure RT all day…Fuaga. That said, I think there’s going to be a DL sitting there that will prove too good to pass up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, spicoli said: Loaded. They just need a QB now that McCord transferred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, spicoli said: If we’re taking OL in R1 give me the pure RT all day…Fuaga. That said, I think there’s going to be a DL sitting there that will prove too good to pass up. Newton is the only DL i consider. I will lose my shit if we take another DE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 8 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Newton is the only DL i consider. I will lose my shit if we take another DE or wide receiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 58 minutes ago, High School Harry said: or wide receiver that's'probabally what will happen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 10 hours ago, Jamie_B said: They just need a QB now that McCord transferred Will Howard will be the starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Discussed by spicoli and others earlier re Mims... https://www.cincyjungle.com/2024/1/11/24033488/nfl-mock-draft-2024-espn-bengals-georgia-bulldogs "Mims comes with questions; he has made nine starts in his career and missed six games in 2023 after undergoing TightRope ankle surgery." (whatever that is) I wonder if this would be enough to push him into the second round? That would be sweet. D line animal in round one, this guy in round two. ✅ Lack of Experience ✅ Injury History ✅ Lots of Upside and Po-ten-tial Yep, this guy had "Bengals" written all over him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, Jamie_B said: that's'probabally what will happen https://www.cincyjungle.com/2024/1/11/24033488/nfl-mock-draft-2024-espn-bengals-georgia-bulldogs 👆🏽from the same article speculating Mims... "If Tee Higgins ends up signing elsewhere, watch for a receiver here.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 53 minutes ago, High School Harry said: Discussed by spicoli and others earlier re Mims... https://www.cincyjungle.com/2024/1/11/24033488/nfl-mock-draft-2024-espn-bengals-georgia-bulldogs "Mims comes with questions; he has made nine starts in his career and missed six games in 2023 after undergoing TightRope ankle surgery." (whatever that is) I wonder if this would be enough to push him into the second round? That would be sweet. D line animal in round one, this guy in round two. ✅ Lack of Experience ✅ Injury History ✅ Lots of Upside and Po-ten-tial Yep, this guy had "Bengals" written all over him. No chance Mims is on the board for the Bengals 2nd round pick. He has good size and tools. His tape is limited but ok. He'll go in the first round to some team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Jersey Bengal Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, sparky151 said: No chance Mims is on the board for the Bengals 2nd round pick. He has good size and tools. His tape is limited but ok. He'll go in the first round to some team. Maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, sparky151 said: No chance Mims is on the board for the Bengals 2nd round pick. He has good size and tools. His tape is limited but ok. He'll go in the first round to some team. He is likley to test well pre-draft which will solidify his draft position. I have done a few mocks where I traded down a few spots in the first, picked Mims and then with two #2's picked up 2 DL. Then another OL after that in round 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 5 hours ago, spicoli said: Will Howard will be the starter. And Air Noland as a freshman.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, New Jersey Bengal said: Maybe I think Sparky is right. Despite lack of experience he's still a top Olineman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 6 hours ago, High School Harry said: or wide receiver Believe they'll tag Tee for up coming year. Draft a OT in first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 OT is by far the biggest need since Jonah will want more pay than he's worth and probably to play the left side somewhere. That leaves the Bengals with 1 good tackle since our depth is poop at the position. It's a first round need. There is a good group of tackles in this draft class so we might be able to find a decent one in the second round but RT is a higher priority than other positions so it's the best match of need and talent. At WR, we should tag Tee and try to work out a deal. Jamarr will rightly want an extension this offseason but it can wait until summer time. We aren't going to pay Boyd as much as some other team will so he's most likely gone. Irwin is a useful contributor who might get a better offer elsewhere. The team would like to see Jones and Iosivas step up to replace Boyd but their rookie seasons were ok, but not distinguished. Maybe Joe lobbies the team to bring in Terrace Marshall to get the gang back together. He'll be a free agent and hasn't done much in Carolina, so he should be inexpensive. He could be a replacement if we lose Irwin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 It’s really too early to speculate about first round needs. We have no idea what FA will bring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 The Bengals would be foolish to extend Jonah and aren't going to pay 15+ mil to some other guy when the draft is strong at the position. We should sign a cheap vet to cover for the rookie since we can't count on Carman or Smith to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 18 minutes ago, sparky151 said: We should sign a cheap vet to cover for the rookie since we can't count on Carman or Smith to do so. “Cheap vet”=underachieving or washed-up. Even as a bridge, St Joseph is going to be exposed to the dangers he has been facing for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Le Tigre said: “Cheap vet”=underachieving or washed-up. Even as a bridge, St Joseph is going to be exposed to the dangers he has been facing for years. Afraid you're right. Cheap vet means guy who is ok being a back-up to the draft pick, which means backup quality player. My thinking is you sign a starter RT and make the draft pick earn a spot somewhere on the OL. It's not like any of the current starters played well enough to be unchallenged & there's a good chance at least one of them will get hurt and miss a few games. If they're instead dead set on starting a rookie they should draft at least 2 prospects at that position because, well, they're prospects and again we have no depth anywhere on the OL. For some reason their approach to building an OL is about hoping everything goes exactly right. It hasn't, in a painfully obvious way, but they keep wishing. No accountability. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Cheap as in 5 mil or less. Not a guy on a minimum benefit veteran contract like Ford. Jermaine Eluemonor will be a free agent and was paid 3 mil last year. PFF ranks him as the 35th best tackle in the NFL, ahead of Brown or Williams. Also rated better than both of them would be Morgan Moses who makes 5 mil per year but has another year on his contract. George Fant ranked higher than Williams and will be a free agent. He made 3 mil on his last free agent deal. Cam Fleming graded about the same as Jonah but only cost 2.5 mil. Yosh Nijman or Dan Skipper might also be options. There are plenty of experienced, solid 28+ yr old tackles available who don't offer upside but do have floors higher than a rookie will offer the first half of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 18 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Cheap as in 5 mil or less. Not a guy on a minimum benefit veteran contract like Ford. Jermaine Eluemonor will be a free agent and was paid 3 mil last year. PFF ranks him as the 35th best tackle in the NFL, ahead of Brown or Williams. Also rated better than both of them would be Morgan Moses who makes 5 mil per year but has another year on his contract. George Fant ranked higher than Williams and will be a free agent. He made 3 mil on his last free agent deal. Cam Fleming graded about the same as Jonah but only cost 2.5 mil. Yosh Nijman or Dan Skipper might also be options. There are plenty of experienced, solid 28+ yr old tackles available who don't offer upside but do have floors higher than a rookie will offer the first half of the season. Good post. In that same light, it is entirley possible that Jonah does not see a big payday given his meager stats? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: Good post. In that same light, it is entirley possible that Jonah does not see a big payday given his meager stats? He's a borderline starter at a premium position, someone is going to make him their LT and those guys get paid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, T-Dub said: He's a borderline starter at a premium position, someone is going to make him their LT and those guys get paid. I don't disagree with that other than the previous post noted their are cheaper starters out there is the same or better stats; perhaps someone will pay large $$ under the premise that he still has a higher ceiling? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Yes, someone will overpay Jonah. Call it the Andre Dillard rule. But the Bengals shouldn't be the team to make that mistake. We will be in position to draft a potentially better player who will certainly be cheaper. We can hedge some of the risk by using part of the savings on a solid veteran. There's a group of veteran tackles who teams don't see as their long term solution so they are in free agency every year or two. But some of them are decent players and outperform higher paid guys. We should add one of them as a swing tackle so we have some depth in addition to OBJ and a rookie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupps Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 3 hours ago, sparky151 said: Cheap as in 5 mil or less. Not a guy on a minimum benefit veteran contract like Ford. Jermaine Eluemonor will be a free agent and was paid 3 mil last year. PFF ranks him as the 35th best tackle in the NFL, ahead of Brown or Williams. Also rated better than both of them would be Morgan Moses who makes 5 mil per year but has another year on his contract. George Fant ranked higher than Williams and will be a free agent. He made 3 mil on his last free agent deal. Cam Fleming graded about the same as Jonah but only cost 2.5 mil. Yosh Nijman or Dan Skipper might also be options. There are plenty of experienced, solid 28+ yr old tackles available who don't offer upside but do have floors higher than a rookie will offer the first half of the season. Not saying you are wrong, but eventually they are going to have to start hitting on oline draft picks. Can't keep signing adequate to good linemen and expect to have enough money left to improve other areas. I want our first 4 pick to be split between olinemen and dtackles (of course i fully expect to be very disappointed come April). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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