Jamie_B Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Just now, T-Dub said: Feel like not trading Browning is them planning for Burrow to get hurt rather than planning to find an OL to protect him. There's risk involved either way and to me they're choosing the wrong one. "L" mindset. Yeah if they can get a pick for Browning do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 Just now, Jamie_B said: Yeah if they can get a pick for Browning do it or.. they don't trust their own people to turn the pick into a quality starting OT/OL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: If we get a bridge type guy at RT, I think I take the chance on Mims They need to do that regardless. They're drafting prospects, not players. Mims may be a bigger risk but none of them come with guarantees. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 11 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: If we get a bridge type guy at RT, I think I take the chance on Mims Agree.. Im hoping Mims and Guyton can work with Duke Manyweather .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 8 minutes ago, T-Dub said: They need to do that regardless. They're drafting prospects, not players. Mims may be a bigger risk but none of them come with guarantees. That's right. None..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 9 minutes ago, T-Dub said: or.. they don't trust their own people to turn the pick into a quality starting OT/OL. Depends on what round pick you get for him, because after the high end of 2 the quality for OT drops off and you're looking at C or G. If you are in round 3 that quality drops off again. If you are getting a 4th you might start looking at DT instead. But at that point you need a backup again and round 4 is typically when you want to start looking for one of those guys. So unless we're getting a 1st, 2nd or 3rd. I dont know that keeping him isnt the better option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Jamie_B said: Depends on what round pick you get for him, because after the high end of 2 the quality for OT drops off and you're looking at C or G. If you are in round 3 that quality drops off again. If you are getting a 4th you might start looking at DT instead. But at that point you need a backup again and round 4 is typically when you want to start looking for one of those guys. So unless we're getting a 1st, 2nd or 3rd. I dont know that keeping him isnt the better option. Yeah if they do trade him I think it'd take at least a 2nd & probably an early one at that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 1 minute ago, T-Dub said: Yeah if they do trade him I think it'd take at least a 2nd & probably an early one at that. Will be interesting to see who is left needing a QB after the first round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 27 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Will be interesting to see who is left needing a QB after the first round. A 2nd is alot to ask for a vet backup that played decently for half a season. Are we overrating him ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 21 minutes ago, claptonrocks said: A 2nd is alot to ask for a vet backup that played decently for half a season. Are we overrating him ? Probably? Apparently he's both too valuable to trade and not valuable enough to be worth trading... 🧠 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 32 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Probably? Apparently he's both too valuable to trade and not valuable enough to be worth trading... 🧠 Schrodingers Backup QB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 The steam Murphy is picking up makes me think he might not even make it to 18. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 Damn. I saw that Texas playoff game and thought I had found a real underrated guy in Byron Murphy because Sweat was getting all the heat. Now it looks like we might not even have a shot at him. He's the interior penetrator we've needed since Geno left -- and never had with Trey here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 ^ No way Byron Murphy makes it to the Bengals @ 18. After the combine he will jump into the top 10. ... He's going to be special. Just not for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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|BlackJesus| Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 Latest NFL.com mock has Bengals taking Guyton https://www.nfl.com/news/eric-edholm-2024-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-chargers-grab-te-brock-bowers-at-no-5-qb-j-j-mccarthy-to-rams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 14 hours ago, BlackJesus said: Latest NFL.com mock has Bengals taking Guyton https://www.nfl.com/news/eric-edholm-2024-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-chargers-grab-te-brock-bowers-at-no-5-qb-j-j-mccarthy-to-rams That's the 2nd mock today I've seen of him being mocked to us 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 On 2/6/2024 at 3:57 PM, claptonrocks said: A 2nd is alot to ask for a vet backup that played decently for half a season. Are we overrating him ? Raiders need an upgrade from Aidan O'Connell and Jimmy Garropolo. They might give a 2nd for a new QB. Justin Fields or Jake Browning would probably be worth that. Sam Howell would fetch lower compensation. I'd be fine with trading Browning straight up for Michael Mayer and moving McCarron to QB2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 10 hours ago, sparky151 said: Raiders need an upgrade from Aidan O'Connell and Jimmy Garropolo. They might give a 2nd for a new QB. Justin Fields or Jake Browning would probably be worth that. Sam Howell would fetch lower compensation. I'd be fine with trading Browning straight up for Michael Mayer and moving McCarron to QB2. Call me crazy but I would be all for trading Browning for a second round pick. I think McCarron has enough tread on his tires via tools and experience to be an excellent backup. Besides, I think he has a chip on his shoulder (in a good way) to want to prove a point with the Bengals. Three picks in the top two rounds and so many O linement to choose from.Mimis, Latham, Guyton, Fugal... one should be there and throw intriguing Center/Interior Line Jackson Powers-Johnson or DL T Sweat into the mix for a high second. Trade up. But a second for Browning... yes, please. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKOTA Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 On 2/7/2024 at 7:19 PM, sparky151 said: Raiders need an upgrade from Aidan O'Connell and Jimmy Garropolo. They might give a 2nd for a new QB. Justin Fields or Jake Browning would probably be worth that. Sam Howell would fetch lower compensation. I'd be fine with trading Browning straight up for Michael Mayer and moving McCarron to QB2. Nobody is giving anything higher than a 6 for Browning at best. There are a thousand Jake Brownings available in the football world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, IKOTA said: Nobody is giving anything higher than a 6 for Browning at best. There are a thousand Jake Brownings available in the football world. Your alot closer to right than some that say a 2nd or 3rd... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Jersey Bengal Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 7 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Your alot closer to right than some that say a 2nd or 3rd... If we cannot get a decent puck for him he stays 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 12 hours ago, IKOTA said: Nobody is giving anything higher than a 6 for Browning at best. There are a thousand Jake Brownings available in the football world. Nonsense. Browning was a guy on the league's fringe for several years. When he got a chance, he played well. He was more efficient than a lot of other team's QBs such as Mayfield, Watson, Flacco, Carr, Fields, etc. Maybe he flops with a new team but he showed in a decent sample size that the game isn't too big for him and he was able to play effectively over the rest of the season. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKOTA Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 8 hours ago, sparky151 said: Nonsense. Browning was a guy on the league's fringe for several years. When he got a chance, he played well. He was more efficient than a lot of other team's QBs such as Mayfield, Watson, Flacco, Carr, Fields, etc. Maybe he flops with a new team but he showed in a decent sample size that the game isn't too big for him and he was able to play effectively over the rest of the season. There are a thousand Brownings out there. Nobody’s giving any pick for him. He’s average at best, lacks arm talent, lacks size. Taylor Heinecke would have put up better numbers than Browning did if he had JaMarr Chase, Tee Higgins, Tyler Boyd, Joe Mixon as weapons. By your logic, those teams with less efficient QBs should be on the phone with the Blackburns and Tobins no? Maybe the Bengals are holding out for a 1st because he’s so damn efficient. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 2 hours ago, IKOTA said: There are a thousand Brownings out there. Nobody’s giving any pick for him. He’s average at best, lacks arm talent, lacks size. Taylor Heinecke would have put up better numbers than Browning did if he had JaMarr Chase, Tee Higgins, Tyler Boyd, Joe Mixon as weapons. By your logic, those teams with less efficient QBs should be on the phone with the Blackburns and Tobins no? Maybe the Bengals are holding out for a 1st because he’s so damn efficient. That's a ....take, I guess. Pretty stupid one but go ahead and double down. Playing QB is mostly about decision-making and throwing accuracy. Browning has those. He's not a physical specimen but doesn't need to be. Lots of guys like that have succeeded in the NFL including one playing this weekend. In a league where teams started guys like Heinicke, Zappe, Simien, Beathard, Stidham, Ridder, O'Connell, Dobbs, etc, Browning has value. Maybe we saw his best ever football but even after there was tape of him, he continued to play well. He's 3 years away from UFA status while having been through 5 training camps. He's certainly a better bet than Tommy DeVito or whomever. NFL teams will give up decent compensation for a QB upgrade. Your argument that he can't take Chase and Higgins with him is silly as a new team will have their own receivers and those are easier to find than a solid QB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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