gupps Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 I can see them trading down if there is a run on tackles early. That might put Sweat in play (assuming they want him) if they are down far enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griever Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 4 hours ago, GoBengals said: that pff show/podcast is so fucking terrible. its so so so so bad i keep trying it out and its so worthless. just dudes looking at average data sheets and acting like they have in depth analysis and knowledge of everything. they absolutely fucking suck and also act smug as fuck. i hate them so much. I'm with you there man...it is becoming difficult to find any sort of NFL related show where the "analysts" or (more recently) "fanalysts" don't seem like smug bastards lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 6 hours ago, gupps said: I can see them trading down if there is a run on tackles early. That might put Sweat in play (assuming they want him) if they are down far enough. If there is a run on tackles and Bowers is gone that means there is likely a very good CB sitting there, I doubt they pass on that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 4 hours ago, Jamie_B said: If there is a run on tackles and Bowers is gone that means there is likely a very good CB sitting there, I doubt they pass on that. or WR.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, spicoli said: or WR.. Potentially sure. Thought I think they would take a DT before a WR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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|BlackJesus| Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 🤔 Ok hear me out ... Use the 10 picks and Tee to somehow get 4 picks where we can acquire Bowers, Byron Murphy, Cooper DeJean, and Patrick Paul (Picks 18, 20, 25, 49?). That would make the draft an A+, even with only 4 picks. Quality over Quantity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 2024 NFL mock draft: Yates' pick predictions for Rounds 1-2 https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/39854812/2024-nfl-mock-draft-field-yates-two-rounds-64-picks-predictions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 ^ If the Bengals take (WR) Thomas then it's a true swing for the fences to win the SB this season. As he would be the WR3 with Chase and Tee out there and DCs would be shitting themselves on coverages. Every team would have to play dime (6 DBs) non stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 3 hours ago, gupps said: I can see them trading down if there is a run on tackles early. That might put Sweat in play (assuming they want him) if they are down far enough. I have seen mock drafts that have a few seemingly coveted players still available at 18, so trading back a few spots and picking up an additional 2nd or 3rd might make sense. Since we already have ten picks, I would hope that we would also be aggressive in packaging those later-round picks to move up and snag “players we want” instead of hoping they fall to us. [Obviously, any trade requires a willing partner, so it is not a simple matter.] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, BlackJesus said: 🤔 Ok hear me out ... Use the 10 picks and Tee to somehow get 4 picks where we can acquire Bowers, Byron Murphy, Cooper DeJean, and Patrick Paul (Picks 18, 20, 25, 49?). That would make the draft an A+, even with only 4 picks. Quality over Quantity. Eh, if we trade Tee, we'd need a good WR in the draft to replace him. Murphy/Newton are similar types of players to Hill and Rankins. Neither is a true run stuffer. 1 hour ago, BlackJesus said: ^ If the Bengals take (WR) Thomas then it's a true swing for the fences to win the SB this season. As he would be the WR3 with Chase and Tee out there and DCs would be shitting themselves on coverages. Every team would have to play dime (6 DBs) non stop. Yes, Bowers or a top WR would open up the offense a lot. Burrow would like it but he'd probably get blitzed a lot more and take more hits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gupps Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 18 minutes ago, sparky151 said: Eh, if we trade Tee, we'd need a good WR in the draft to replace him. Murphy/Newton are similar types of players to Hill and Rankins. Neither is a true run stuffer. Yes, Bowers or a top WR would open up the offense a lot. Burrow would like it but he'd probably get blitzed a lot more and take more hits. This. Supposedly Bowers won't make it to 18 so the point is moot, but I wouldn't want to take him anyways. We already signed Gieseckie (sp) and like I posted elsewhere, I think we have bigger needs. As for WR, as long as we keep Tee I don't think one should be in play at 18. Plus we have Yoshie and Chuck Fizzle, both of whom I think they like. I wouldn't mind taking a WR on day 3 however. At CB, Dax seems to be without a home as we have Bell back and signed Stone. Can he be tried there? I wouldn't HATE a CB pick, I'd just be "Meh" about it @1 or 2. We need a NT and that maybe puts the kibosh on Murphy/Newton (though I'd like it) and maybe puts Sweat in play if we traded down. I think protecting Burrow should be job 1a and replacing Reader should be 1b. Also, if we lean heavily towards the oline maybe we will actually be able to run the ball well and Burrow stays upright for a whole season. Just my 2 cents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 6 hours ago, High School Harry said: https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nfl-mock-draft-bengals-trade-shakeup-caleb-williams-jerzhan-newton/ I promised myself to quit looking at this thread but... Here's a trade down mock. Trading down a little for extra picks would not surprise me. Trade with Tampa... We give picks 18 and 80... we get picks 26, 57 and a 2025 2nd rounder. Pick Jer'Zhan Johnny Newton. DL Illinois I'd like it. Ain't gonna happen but I'd like it. Another one is Buffalo taking an Edge With Rome Odunze still on the board. Bengals Wire took a swing at changing up some but doubt it goes down that way. Fun reading though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 As the 2024 NFL Draft class continues to take shape, it’s time again to take stock of which prospects are dominating the early-round conversation. The Athletic’s consensus Big Board combines rankings from a wide range of draft experts to identify how the top prospects are viewed relative to the rest of their class. In theory, by the time we reach the draft weekend, these rankings should help give us a handle on how the picks could (or, at least, should) play out. Let’s see how things have shifted since our March board. 2024 NFL Draft Consensus Board PLAYER POS SCHOOL LAST CHANGE 1 Caleb Williams QB USC 2 1 2 Marvin Harrison Jr. WR Ohio State 1 -1 3 Drake Maye QB North Carolina 3 0 4 Malik Nabers WR LSU 4 0 5 Rome Odunze WR Washington 5 0 6 Brock Bowers TE Georgia 6 0 7 Joe Alt OT Notre Dame 7 0 8 Dallas Turner EDGE Alabama 8 0 9 Jayden Daniels QB LSU 9 0 10 Jared Verse EDGE Florida State 10 0 11 Olu Fashanu OT Penn State 11 0 12 JC Latham OT Alabama 12 0 13 Terrion Arnold CB Alabama 13 0 14 Laiatu Latu EDGE UCLA 16 2 15 Quinyon Mitchell CB Toledo 15 0 16 Taliese Fuaga G/T Oregon State 14 -2 17 Troy Fautanu OT Washington 17 0 18 Byron Murphy II DT Texas 18 0 19 Amarius Mims OT Georgia 19 0 20 Brian Thomas Jr. WR LSU 20 0 21 J.J. McCarthy QB Michigan 21 0 22 Nate Wiggins CB Clemson 22 0 23 Jer'Zhan Newton DT Illinois 23 0 24 Cooper DeJean CB Iowa 25 1 25 Chop Robinson EDGE Penn State 26 1 26 Tyler Guyton OT Oklahoma 24 -2 27 Kool-Aid McKinstry CB Alabama 28 1 28 Graham Barton C/G Duke 27 -1 29 Adonai Mitchell WR Texas 29 0 30 Jackson Powers-Johnson C Oregon 30 0 31 Ladd McConkey WR Georgia 31 0 32 Bo Nix QB Oregon 33 1 33 Darius Robinson EDGE Missouri 32 -1 34 Jordan Morgan OT Arizona 34 0 35 Ennis Rakestraw Jr. CB Missouri 35 0 36 Troy Franklin WR Oregon 36 0 37 Kamari Lassiter CB Georgia 37 0 38 Keon Coleman WR Florida State 38 0 39 Edgerrin Cooper LB Texas A&M 39 0 40 Michael Penix Jr. QB Washington 45 5 41 Xavier Worthy WR Texas 40 -1 42 Payton Wilson LB NC State 41 -1 43 Braden Fiske DT Florida State 42 -1 44 Roman Wilson WR Michigan 46 2 45 Tyler Nubin S Minnesota 43 -2 46 Zach Frazier C West Virginia 44 -2 47 T'Vondre Sweat DT Texas 47 0 48 Junior Colson LB Michigan 50 2 49 Ricky Pearsall WR Florida 49 0 50 Ja'Tavion Sanders TE Texas 55 5 51 Chris Braswell EDGE Alabama 48 -3 52 Jonathon Brooks RB Texas 51 -1 53 Kingsley Suamataia OT BYU 53 0 54 Kris Jenkins Jr. DT Michigan 52 -2 55 Javon Bullard S Georgia 54 -1 56 Malachi Corley WR Western Kentucky 56 0 57 T.J. Tampa CB Iowa State 57 0 58 Xavier Legette WR South Carolina 58 0 59 Marshawn Kneeland EDGE Western Michigan 59 0 60 Bralen Trice EDGE Washington 61 1 61 Christian Haynes G UConn 62 1 62 Cooper Beebe G Kansas State 63 1 63 Ruke Orhorhoro DT Clemson 69 6 64 Adisa Isaac EDGE Penn State 60 -4 65 Mike Sainristil CB Michigan 67 2 66 Kiran Amegadjie OT Yale 65 -1 67 Patrick Paul OT Houston 66 -1 68 Jaden Hicks S Washington State 70 2 69 Ja'Lynn Polk WR Washington 71 2 70 Trey Benson RB Florida State 85 15 71 Max Melton CB Rutgers 74 3 72 Jermaine Burton WR Alabama 64 -8 73 Calen Bullock S USC 73 0 74 Devontez Walker WR North Carolina 68 -6 75 Blake Fisher OT Notre Dame 81 6 76 Mike Hall Jr. DT Ohio State 78 2 77 Jonah Elliss EDGE Utah 79 2 78 Jeremiah Trotter Jr. LB Clemson 72 -6 79 Blake Corum RB Michigan 75 -4 80 Jaylen Wright RB Tennessee 80 0 81 Jalen McMillan WR Washington 82 1 82 Brandon Dorlus DT Oregon 77 -5 83 Maason Smith DT LSU 87 4 84 Kamren Kinchens S Miami 76 -8 85 Austin Booker EDGE Kansas 83 -2 86 Cole Bishop S Utah 88 2 87 Dominick Puni G/T Kansas 86 -1 88 Javon Baker WR UCF 84 -4 89 Andru Phillips CB Kentucky 90 1 90 Cade Stover TE Ohio State 89 -1 91 Kris Abrams-Draine CB Missouri 91 0 92 Renardo Green CB Florida State 94 2 93 D.J. James CB Auburn 92 -1 94 Cedric Gray LB North Carolina 95 1 95 Sedrick Van Pran-Granger C Georgia 96 1 96 Dadrion Taylor-Demerson S Texas Tech NR NR 97 Braelon Allen RB Wisconsin 99 2 98 Cam Hart CB Notre Dame 98 0 99 Khyree Jackson CB Oregon NR NR 100 Spencer Rattler QB South Carolina 100 0 A few thoughts on the updated board from draft analyst Nick Baumgardner: 1. How high can Jackson Powers-Johnson climb? Oregon center Jackson Powers-Johnson holds steady at No. 30 on the consensus board, which means most everyone agrees he’s at least first-round worthy. But, given that there are a few teams in Round 1 in need of a center, the big question with him is: How early will he hear his name called? ADVERTISEMENT Since 2000, only nine centers have been drafted before pick 25, the last three being Cesar Ruiz (No. 24, New Orleans in 2020), Garrett Bradbury (No. 18, Minnesota in 2019) and Frank Ragnow (No. 18, Detroit in 2018). The Saints just extended Ruiz, Bradbury has 71 career starts and Ragnow is an All-Pro, so it’d be hard to argue against the value of those selections. Baltimore also picked Tyler Linderbaum at No. 25 in 2022, and he’s already a Pro Bowler. Center may not be a popular pick with fans, but it can absolutely be worth it if the player’s good enough. The tricky thing with Powers-Johnson is his lack of experience. He started one year at center in college and won a Rimington Trophy, and he looked outstanding at the Senior Bowl, to a point where I’m not sure he lost a single one-on-one rep. But the samples aren’t large. I do think he’ll go higher than No. 30, though. Keep an eye on Pittsburgh, which needs a center and holds pick 20. It only takes one team. 2. Trey Benson on the rise The highest riser in this installment was Florida State running back Trey Benson (up 15 spots to No. 70), perhaps earning some residuals from his combine performance early last month. Benson, at 216 pounds, ran a 4.39-second 40-yard dash (with a 1.52 10-yard split). He also posted a 33 1/2-inch vertical jump and a broad jump of 10 feet, 2 inches. There’s nothing super surprising about any of that, as Benson’s athleticism at his size has always stood out on tape. But it does bring up the question of how things will unfold for this running back class come draft weekend. The best of the bunch, Texas’ Jonathon Brooks, is coming off an injury and doesn’t have a deep tape resume. And there are questions with every back in the class — Benson’s a great athlete, but teams might have concerns with his vision as a ball carrier; Bucky Irvin is incredibly elusive, but he’s very small. We could go down the list. ADVERTISEMENT Same time, Benson, Brooks, Irving, Blake Corum, Braelon Allen and Jaylen Wright all could enter a backfield and make an impact next year. Don’t be shocked if we see a RB run on Day 2. 3. Kamren Kinchens slides Miami safety Kamren Kinchens turned in a disappointing 4.65 40 at the combine in March. He did improve on that time with a reported 4.57 during Miami’s pro day later in the month, but he dropped eight spots on the consensus board anyway. Though his 40 time isn’t irrelevant, it’s also important to point out that Kinchens’ efficiency as a coverage defender on tape is more impressive than his testing. He showed really good ball skills and range as a deep rover for the Hurricanes and was never afraid to go after the big play (or hit). In November, Kinchens became the first Miami player to record 10 career interceptions since the late great Sean Taylor (Kinchens finished with 11). Elite company there. No one expected Kinchens to burn up the track with his 40 time, and he’s got the ball skills and physical confidence to play either safety spot. This is one where you trust the tape (and your defensive backs coach). If Kinchens can eliminate some of the riskier stuff from his game, he has what he needs to be a really good player in the NFL. 4. Too high, too low … Two guys I think are ranked too high on this board: Dallas Turner (No. 😎 and Michael Penix Jr. (No. 40). I like Turner as the top edge in this class, but not as the top defender overall (his Alabama teammate, cornerback Terrion Arnold, gets my vote there). As for Penix, I just can’t get there on him as a top-50 prospect this year, even with the impressive 4.46 40 he reportedly put up. Two guys I think are ranked too low: Powers-Johnson (see above) and Florida State wide receiver Keon Coleman (see last month’s consensus board write-up). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 7 hours ago, spicoli said: 2024 NFL mock draft: Yates' pick predictions for Rounds 1-2 https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/39854812/2024-nfl-mock-draft-field-yates-two-rounds-64-picks-predictions I hope you hey don't have to draft Rosengarten. I feel he's a huge getting reach in Rd2 and 3 as well.. . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 3 hours ago, BlackJesus said: 🤔 Ok hear me out ... Use the 10 picks and Tee to somehow get 4 picks where we can acquire Bowers, Byron Murphy, Cooper DeJean, and Patrick Paul (Picks 18, 20, 25, 49?). That would make the draft an A+, even with only 4 picks. Quality over Quantity. You'd be a bold GM.. I like it.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: Eh, if we trade Tee, we'd need a good WR in the draft to replace him. Murphy/Newton are similar types of players to Hill and Rankins. Neither is a true run stuffer. Yes, Bowers or a top WR would open up the offense a lot. Burrow would like it but he'd probably get blitzed a lot more and take more hits. He's going to get blitzed and hit in the shotgun anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 20 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: As the 2024 NFL Draft class continues to take shape, it’s time again to take stock of which prospects are dominating the early-round conversation. The Athletic’s consensus Big Board combines rankings from a wide range of draft experts to identify how the top prospects are viewed relative to the rest of their class. In theory, by the time we reach the draft weekend, these rankings should help give us a handle on how the picks could (or, at least, should) play out. Let’s see how things have shifted since our March board. 2024 NFL Draft Consensus Board PLAYER POS SCHOOL LAST CHANGE 1 Caleb Williams QB USC 2 1 2 Marvin Harrison Jr. WR Ohio State 1 -1 3 Drake Maye QB North Carolina 3 0 4 Malik Nabers WR LSU 4 0 5 Rome Odunze WR Washington 5 0 6 Brock Bowers TE Georgia 6 0 7 Joe Alt OT Notre Dame 7 0 8 Dallas Turner EDGE Alabama 8 0 9 Jayden Daniels QB LSU 9 0 10 Jared Verse EDGE Florida State 10 0 11 Olu Fashanu OT Penn State 11 0 12 JC Latham OT Alabama 12 0 13 Terrion Arnold CB Alabama 13 0 14 Laiatu Latu EDGE UCLA 16 2 15 Quinyon Mitchell CB Toledo 15 0 16 Taliese Fuaga G/T Oregon State 14 -2 17 Troy Fautanu OT Washington 17 0 18 Byron Murphy II DT Texas 18 0 19 Amarius Mims OT Georgia 19 0 20 Brian Thomas Jr. WR LSU 20 0 21 J.J. McCarthy QB Michigan 21 0 22 Nate Wiggins CB Clemson 22 0 23 Jer'Zhan Newton DT Illinois 23 0 24 Cooper DeJean CB Iowa 25 1 25 Chop Robinson EDGE Penn State 26 1 26 Tyler Guyton OT Oklahoma 24 -2 27 Kool-Aid McKinstry CB Alabama 28 1 28 Graham Barton C/G Duke 27 -1 29 Adonai Mitchell WR Texas 29 0 30 Jackson Powers-Johnson C Oregon 30 0 31 Ladd McConkey WR Georgia 31 0 32 Bo Nix QB Oregon 33 1 33 Darius Robinson EDGE Missouri 32 -1 34 Jordan Morgan OT Arizona 34 0 35 Ennis Rakestraw Jr. CB Missouri 35 0 36 Troy Franklin WR Oregon 36 0 37 Kamari Lassiter CB Georgia 37 0 38 Keon Coleman WR Florida State 38 0 39 Edgerrin Cooper LB Texas A&M 39 0 40 Michael Penix Jr. QB Washington 45 5 41 Xavier Worthy WR Texas 40 -1 42 Payton Wilson LB NC State 41 -1 43 Braden Fiske DT Florida State 42 -1 44 Roman Wilson WR Michigan 46 2 45 Tyler Nubin S Minnesota 43 -2 46 Zach Frazier C West Virginia 44 -2 47 T'Vondre Sweat DT Texas 47 0 48 Junior Colson LB Michigan 50 2 49 Ricky Pearsall WR Florida 49 0 50 Ja'Tavion Sanders TE Texas 55 5 51 Chris Braswell EDGE Alabama 48 -3 52 Jonathon Brooks RB Texas 51 -1 53 Kingsley Suamataia OT BYU 53 0 54 Kris Jenkins Jr. DT Michigan 52 -2 55 Javon Bullard S Georgia 54 -1 56 Malachi Corley WR Western Kentucky 56 0 57 T.J. Tampa CB Iowa State 57 0 58 Xavier Legette WR South Carolina 58 0 59 Marshawn Kneeland EDGE Western Michigan 59 0 60 Bralen Trice EDGE Washington 61 1 61 Christian Haynes G UConn 62 1 62 Cooper Beebe G Kansas State 63 1 63 Ruke Orhorhoro DT Clemson 69 6 64 Adisa Isaac EDGE Penn State 60 -4 65 Mike Sainristil CB Michigan 67 2 66 Kiran Amegadjie OT Yale 65 -1 67 Patrick Paul OT Houston 66 -1 68 Jaden Hicks S Washington State 70 2 69 Ja'Lynn Polk WR Washington 71 2 70 Trey Benson RB Florida State 85 15 71 Max Melton CB Rutgers 74 3 72 Jermaine Burton WR Alabama 64 -8 73 Calen Bullock S USC 73 0 74 Devontez Walker WR North Carolina 68 -6 75 Blake Fisher OT Notre Dame 81 6 76 Mike Hall Jr. DT Ohio State 78 2 77 Jonah Elliss EDGE Utah 79 2 78 Jeremiah Trotter Jr. LB Clemson 72 -6 79 Blake Corum RB Michigan 75 -4 80 Jaylen Wright RB Tennessee 80 0 81 Jalen McMillan WR Washington 82 1 82 Brandon Dorlus DT Oregon 77 -5 83 Maason Smith DT LSU 87 4 84 Kamren Kinchens S Miami 76 -8 85 Austin Booker EDGE Kansas 83 -2 86 Cole Bishop S Utah 88 2 87 Dominick Puni G/T Kansas 86 -1 88 Javon Baker WR UCF 84 -4 89 Andru Phillips CB Kentucky 90 1 90 Cade Stover TE Ohio State 89 -1 91 Kris Abrams-Draine CB Missouri 91 0 92 Renardo Green CB Florida State 94 2 93 D.J. James CB Auburn 92 -1 94 Cedric Gray LB North Carolina 95 1 95 Sedrick Van Pran-Granger C Georgia 96 1 96 Dadrion Taylor-Demerson S Texas Tech NR NR 97 Braelon Allen RB Wisconsin 99 2 98 Cam Hart CB Notre Dame 98 0 99 Khyree Jackson CB Oregon NR NR 100 Spencer Rattler QB South Carolina 100 0 A few thoughts on the updated board from draft analyst Nick Baumgardner: 1. How high can Jackson Powers-Johnson climb? Oregon center Jackson Powers-Johnson holds steady at No. 30 on the consensus board, which means most everyone agrees he’s at least first-round worthy. But, given that there are a few teams in Round 1 in need of a center, the big question with him is: How early will he hear his name called? ADVERTISEMENT Since 2000, only nine centers have been drafted before pick 25, the last three being Cesar Ruiz (No. 24, New Orleans in 2020), Garrett Bradbury (No. 18, Minnesota in 2019) and Frank Ragnow (No. 18, Detroit in 2018). The Saints just extended Ruiz, Bradbury has 71 career starts and Ragnow is an All-Pro, so it’d be hard to argue against the value of those selections. Baltimore also picked Tyler Linderbaum at No. 25 in 2022, and he’s already a Pro Bowler. Center may not be a popular pick with fans, but it can absolutely be worth it if the player’s good enough. The tricky thing with Powers-Johnson is his lack of experience. He started one year at center in college and won a Rimington Trophy, and he looked outstanding at the Senior Bowl, to a point where I’m not sure he lost a single one-on-one rep. But the samples aren’t large. I do think he’ll go higher than No. 30, though. Keep an eye on Pittsburgh, which needs a center and holds pick 20. It only takes one team. 2. Trey Benson on the rise The highest riser in this installment was Florida State running back Trey Benson (up 15 spots to No. 70), perhaps earning some residuals from his combine performance early last month. Benson, at 216 pounds, ran a 4.39-second 40-yard dash (with a 1.52 10-yard split). He also posted a 33 1/2-inch vertical jump and a broad jump of 10 feet, 2 inches. There’s nothing super surprising about any of that, as Benson’s athleticism at his size has always stood out on tape. But it does bring up the question of how things will unfold for this running back class come draft weekend. The best of the bunch, Texas’ Jonathon Brooks, is coming off an injury and doesn’t have a deep tape resume. And there are questions with every back in the class — Benson’s a great athlete, but teams might have concerns with his vision as a ball carrier; Bucky Irvin is incredibly elusive, but he’s very small. We could go down the list. ADVERTISEMENT Same time, Benson, Brooks, Irving, Blake Corum, Braelon Allen and Jaylen Wright all could enter a backfield and make an impact next year. Don’t be shocked if we see a RB run on Day 2. 3. Kamren Kinchens slides Miami safety Kamren Kinchens turned in a disappointing 4.65 40 at the combine in March. He did improve on that time with a reported 4.57 during Miami’s pro day later in the month, but he dropped eight spots on the consensus board anyway. Though his 40 time isn’t irrelevant, it’s also important to point out that Kinchens’ efficiency as a coverage defender on tape is more impressive than his testing. He showed really good ball skills and range as a deep rover for the Hurricanes and was never afraid to go after the big play (or hit). In November, Kinchens became the first Miami player to record 10 career interceptions since the late great Sean Taylor (Kinchens finished with 11). Elite company there. No one expected Kinchens to burn up the track with his 40 time, and he’s got the ball skills and physical confidence to play either safety spot. This is one where you trust the tape (and your defensive backs coach). If Kinchens can eliminate some of the riskier stuff from his game, he has what he needs to be a really good player in the NFL. 4. Too high, too low … Two guys I think are ranked too high on this board: Dallas Turner (No. 😎 and Michael Penix Jr. (No. 40). I like Turner as the top edge in this class, but not as the top defender overall (his Alabama teammate, cornerback Terrion Arnold, gets my vote there). As for Penix, I just can’t get there on him as a top-50 prospect this year, even with the impressive 4.46 40 he reportedly put up. Two guys I think are ranked too low: Powers-Johnson (see above) and Florida State wide receiver Keon Coleman (see last month’s consensus board write-up). So looking at their board I see Mims at 18 and Sweat at 49.. Draft a CB or WR or another lineman in rd3..... Id be more than happy.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 21 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Sweat at 49 Since Sweat is the only premium NT in the class and every team knows the Bengals need one, there's no way you can wait until he falls in your lap at 49. Some rival of the Bengals would trade up to 47 or 48 and nab him, if he doesn't go in the 30's or 40's naturally. I think the Bengals need to move up from 49 for Sweat, likely to around # 37-43. With 10 draft picks they have the ammo to do so, plus the last time they traded up in Rd 2 it worked great (to steal CTB from the 49ers). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 I also would not freak out if the Bengals took Sweat at 18, if their evaluation tells them he's the next Vince Wilfork. Plus they really really need a NT. I would of course prefer a trade down for extras picks if that's the case, but if they love a guy, I would always rather have him early, than not at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 On 4/3/2024 at 1:38 PM, BlackJesus said: Since Sweat is the only premium NT in the class and every team knows the Bengals need one, there's no way you can wait until he falls in your lap at 49. Some rival of the Bengals would trade up to 47 or 48 and nab him, if he doesn't go in the 30's or 40's naturally. I think the Bengals need to move up from 49 for Sweat, likely to around # 37-43. With 10 draft picks they have the ammo to do so, plus the last time they traded up in Rd 2 it worked great (to steal CTB from the 49ers). Good call. I'm all in on trading up for him as u said. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, claptonrocks said: Good call. I'm all in on trading up for him where you said.. I think his weight dropped from 360 to 345 which shows some commitment. I am not sure he is fully committed to football via weight management. He may be another Andre Smith type. SOme teams may fiund him a bit too riky in round 2 whcih is why some sites have him more of a 3rd round guy. 1st round talent but you had better be very sure of his committment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 Losing 15 lbs for a man that big, is fairly easy. Whatever his “commitment” would be, his film shows a player with a motor. But there will always be some media hack who will toss out the “lazy” card. Goes with being a very large person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted April 3 Report Share Posted April 3 ^ I don't want Sweat to lose any lbs. The whole point of him is he's big and fat. I want my dancing bears with all the weight they can carry on them. 🐻 He should go back to 360. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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