S Offseason 2024

[MichaelWeston]

Safety Dance!

 

We can dance if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
'Cause your friends don't dance
And if they don't dance
Well, they're no friends of mine

 

1-Battle shined in his debut

2-Hill will be back even though he leaves something to be desired

3-Scott could be a cap casualty as they try to add a new face to the room

4-Anderson still has promise but 2 injuries have derailed him early

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_oGEDBZnU6LESfPLyD8apeXSKI-OJ4Z8IWYd7YcnAsM/edit?usp=sharing

Draft Order	Cap	S	Age	Overall	Run D	Pass Rush	Coverage	Snaps	Starts 23/Career	stats		Notes
		Battle-Bengals	23	82.5	81.3	69.6	76.4	524	7/7	71-4fl-3h-2s-5pd-1int	250FS-201B-44Slot 106.2
		Hill-Bengals	24	51.6	71	67.2	43.8	1089	17/19	110-6fl-5h-1.5s-11pd-2int	605 FS-229B-187 Slot 94.2
		Scott-Rams	29	41.6	53.6	75	35.8	569	10/27	57-1fl-1h-1fr	247 FS-194B-86 Slot 99.6
Free Safety
		Winfield-Bucs	26	90.4	91.5	92.7	81.6	1230	17/59	122-6fl-8h-6s-4fr-6ff-12pd-3int	672FS-225B-140 Slot 102		Franchised
6		McKinney-Giants	26	87.8	70.5	61.1	91.2	1128	17/46	116-2fl-.4s-2fr-1ff-11pd-3i	464 FS-288Box-167Slot 65.6	Captain
5	4	Gilman-Chargers	27	86.1	75.2	56.6	89.2	928	14/23	73-2fl-2fr-3ff-10pd-2int	660 FS-170 Box -92 Slot 89.9
	8	Riley-Stealers	26	79.8	47.9	70.5	84.5	50	0/7	12-2fl-1h-1s	22 B-10Slot 118.7
		Savage-Packers	27	75.5	71.8	52.2	74.2	701	10/69	51-1fl-1pd	354 FS-122 B-71Slot
	3	Jones-Dolphins	26	75.4	64.4	75.7	76.2	542	6/30	48-2fl-1h-1fr-1ff-4pd-2int	327 FS-95B
		Amos-Texans	31	72.2	89.7	60	60.7	395	3/125	28-1fr-1pd	204FS-91B
	10	Stone-Ravens	25	72.2	34.2	48.5	85.3	1000	11/19	68-9pd-7int	666FS-145 Box-105 Slot 63.8
		Ford-Packers	30	69.9	60.8	56.1	72.9	626	9/21	71-1fr-6pd-2int	323 fS-190 B-92 Slot 65	Bettcher 2017
	10	Worley-Ravens	29	69.5	55.9		70.1	124	2/57	12-1pd	69FS-32 Slot 39.6
10		Whitehead-Jets	27	68.1	66	53.7	68.9	1076	17/89	97-3fl-.5s-9pd-4int	507 FS-325 B-219 Slot 78.8
		Simmons-Broncos	31	67.9	77.6	71.3	63.4	985	15/108	70-2fl-1s-1fr-2ff-8pd-3int	594 FS-230 B- 144 Slot	CC
		Fuller-Rams	26	67.9	75	49.6	65	1057	17/46	94-1fl-3ff-9pd-3int	692FS-226B-131 Slot 86	Captain
		Gipson-49ers	34	67.8	84.6	52.4	63.8	1194	16/165	60-3fl-1h-1s-3pd-1int	578 FS-203 Slot-166 B 65.4
	3	Elliott-Dolphins	27	67.5	83.5	66.9	58.8	987	15/50	82-1fl-1fr-7pd-1int	574 FS-236B-97 Slot 140.8
		Jackson-Texans	36	66.4	47.7	62.8	75.4	530	8/193	53-3pd-2int	302FS-127B-77Slot
	2	Hyde-Bills	33	66.2	50.2	60.4	69.8	912	14/128	54-1fl-1h-7pd-2int	252FS-82B-72Slot 96.8
	2	Lewis-Bills	27	65.3	70.9	59.4	63	179	0/4	21-1fl-2pd	67FS-55 Slot 87.4
	5	Locke-Broncos	27	64.1	74.8	93.5	55.3	538	8/8	53-2fl-3h-3s-2ff-5pd-1in	317FS-132B-79 Slot 95.2
		Bush-Chiefs	31	63.5	36.5	59	69.4	97	0/12	7	39FS-18 Slot-15Box 118.7
		Evans-Eagles	29	63.1	67	58.3	61.2	197	4/29	15-1fr-1ff-2pd	134FS-33 Slot-30B 110.4
	1	Johnson-Saints	29	62.7	64	55.4	61.6	124	0/19	9-1fr-2pf-1int	110 FS 95.8
		Gardner-Johnson-Lions	26	61.7	65.5	50.7	64.2	291	2/45	17-1fl-3pd-1int	112FS
		Murray-Texans	30	60.9	50.2	56.2	63.6	176	4/44	13-1ff	117FS
5	4	Marlowe-Chargers	32	60.7	63.9	82	57.5	298	4/22	40-1fl-1s	194 FS-71 Box 130.8
		Jackson-Bears	29	58.6	55.3	58.9	60	646	12/100	37-5pd-1int	494 FS - 70 Slot	CC	Captain
		Johnson-Rams	29	58.4	57.4	50.8	58.3	574	8/88	42-6pd-2int	329FS-109B-73 Slot 81.1
1		Franklin-Panthers	28	58	38,4		65.4	289	4/9	30-3pd-1int	173 FS-58 Box-51 Slot 102.3
		Edwards-Chiefs	28	56.9	53.6	65.1	58.6	809	5/28	51-2fl-1h-1s-2fr-5pd-1int	346 FS-146B-102Slot 77.2
	2	Rapp-Bills	26	56.4	57.9	77.1	57.6	422	4/52	50-1fl-1h-.5s-1fr-2pd-1int	403FS-194B-174Slot 110.2		Bills
		Diggs-Seahawks	31	55.1	55.7	58.8	55.4	1155	17/112	95-1fl-5pd-1int	1020 FS	CC
		Hill-Bengals	24	51.6	71	67.2	43.8	1089	17/19	110-6fl-5h-1.5s-11pd-2int	605 FS-229B-187 Slot 94.2
		Scott-Rams	29	41.6	53.6	75	35.8	569	10/27	57-1fl-1h-1fr	247 FS-194B-86 Slot 99.6
Strong Safety
		Battle-Bengals	23	82.5	81.3	69.6	76.4	524	7/7	71-4fl-3h-2s-5pd-1int	250FS-201B-44Slot 106.2
10		Davis-Jets	28	74.8	56.6	76.4	77.9	218	5/21	37-3fl-3fr-8pd-3int	85 Box-79 Slot-46 FS 33.3
		Byard-Eagles	31	74	82.1	58.6	70.3	1117	16/121	122-1fr-3pd-1int	515 FS-351 B-230 Slot	CC	Captain
		Poyer-Bills	33	73	74.3	52	74.4	987	16/117	100-2fl-2h-1s-1ff-4pd	418 B-313 FS-197 Slot	CC	Captain
		Blackmon-Colts	26	68.3	59.2	50.2	72.6	987	15/46	88-5fl-1h-2fr-8pd-4int	468 B-308 FS-175 Slot 46.6
7		Wallace-Titans	27	68.1	60.6	60.5	70.7	807	12/19	89-1fl-1h-6pd-1int	349 FS-326 B-115 Slot 96.1
2		Curl-Commanders	25	66.6	63.1	49.5	67.8	1088	16/53	115-3fl-1s-1fr-1ff-5pd	428 Box-422 FS-166 Slot 108.3
		Harrison-Colts	27	64.9	64.1	67.8	61.9	234	3/48	20-1fl-1h-1s-2pd-2int	135 B-82 FS 8.3
	8	Killebrew-Stealers	31	64.1	72.4	55.6	61.1	111	1/5	26-1fl-1h	53 B-25 Slot- 21 FS 87.2
7		Edmunds-Titans	27	63	70.2	76.1	60.3	475	4/79	48-2fl-2.5s-2pd-1int	245 FS-159 B- 60 Slot 80.6
		Walker-Lions	29	62.8	67.7	84.3	57.8	541	6/43	59-1fl-3h-1s-2pd	274 FS - 127 B - 114 Slot	CC
3		Dugger-Patriots	28	61.7	79.6	66.5	50	1116	17/52	108-6fl-5h-1.5s-7pd-2int	478 Box-371 FS-168 Slot 82.7		Franchised
		Ryan-49ers	33	61.7	61.6	55.4	61	268	2/123	13-1fl	59FS-43B 78.5
		Jenkins-Jaguars	30	60.9	63.8	63.4	59.6	1099	17/80	101-7fl-1h-1s-9pd-2int	489 B - 335 FS - 188 Slot	CC
	6	Harmon-Browns	33	60.4	49.9	69.4	62.3	222	1/79	22-4fl-4h-1s-2pd-1int	87FS-82B-33Slot 87.7
		Owens-Packers	29	59.6	58.6	66.2	59.6	927	11/30	84-2fl-1h-1s-1fr-1ff-3pd	354 FS-266B-123Slot 118.2
		Neal-Stealers	29	59..6	65.1	60.2	56.4	430	8/69	50-1fl-1fr-2pf-1int	178 Box - 108 Slot - 102 FS	CC
3		Mills-Patriots	30	59.1	84.1	65.5	52.2	459	8/83	45-1fl-1h-1pd-1ff	159 FS-136 Slot-106 B 94.4
	1	Abram-Saints	28	57.1	77.8	60.5	48.7	209	3/39	26-1fl-1ff-1pd-1int	71 Slot-69 B-34 Slot 89.3
1		Chinn-Panthers	26	57.7	68.1	58.4	51.6	285	8/50	30-2fl-1s-1pd	143 Slot-107 Box 132.7
		Houston-Carson-Texans	31	56.5	54.8	57.9	56.4	589	2/5	41-1fl-1fr-5pd-2int	340FS
		Adams-Seahawks	29	54.9	52.8	85.5	50.7	518	9/80	48-7fl-2h-2pd	208 B- 183 Slot	CC
	6	McLeod-Browns	34	54.1	61.4	52.5	52.5	280	5/143	29-2fl-1pd	136FS-69Slot-48Box 53.1
5	4	Hawkins-Chargers	27	53.4	70.1		50.6	137	3/25	15-1pd	111 FS 68.1
		Hill-Bengals	24	51.6	71	67.2	43.8	1089	17/19	110-6fl-5h-1.5s-11pd-2int	605 FS-229B-187 Slot 94.2
2		Burgess-Commanders	25	49.6	66.9		44.4	120	1/4	25	52 FS 46 Box-18 Slot 158.3
		Neal-Bucs	28	49.4	65.8	45.5	43	615	13/32	76-4fl	229B-199FS-94 Slot
	7	Kearse-Cowboys	30	44.9	54.7	60.7	43.6	860	13/54	72-4fl-3h-1.5s-4pd-1int	363 B-181 Slot-154 FS
		Scott-Rams	29	41.6	53.6	75	35.8	569	10/27	57-1fl-1h-1fr	247 FS-194B-86 Slot 99.6
2		Reaves-Commanders	28						0/11			IR
10		Clark-Jets	29						0/63		494 FS- 323 B-170 Slot 2022	IR

 

I know what I want

1-Veteran who has starter level ability at FS

2-Leader/Team captain

3-Someone ok with not starting

 

The list of those guys is so deep I don't even know who I want. 

[sparky151]

We should replace Scott this offseason but it's a lower priority than several other positions.

[MichaelWeston]

Digging some, I think they will like Kevin Byard. They want leadership in the back end and he's a 5 time team captain. 

[claptonrocks]

On 2/27/2024 at 11:43 AM, sparky151 said:

We should replace Scott this offseason but it's a lower priority than several other positions.

Yeah ..

He's was a negative last year

Don't know what to expect of him this year.

Cap casualty for someone better?

 

[JC]

A lot of chatter around Geno Stone and it makes a lot of sense. Supposedly can’t tackle though. 
 

With how saturated the market is - I’d expect a real dude here that gets left behind by the market. Cannot have the issues they had last year because Dax doesn’t want to take the time to learn the playbook.

[sparky151]

Dehner's roster prediction has us signing Darnell Savage with Hill moving to CB. He has Scott kept around for special teams. 

 

Savage is a big hitter but not very good in coverage. I think we need better coverage, ie a FS such as Stone. We won't pay up for a Simmons or McKinney level player but there are a lot of safeties on the market at the moment. We should be able to find an affordable upgrade.

 

[Dautcom08]

1 hour ago, sparky151 said:

Dehner's roster prediction has us signing Darnell Savage with Hill moving to CB. He has Scott kept around for special teams. 

 

Savage is a big hitter but not very good in coverage. I think we need better coverage, ie a FS such as Stone. We won't pay up for a Simmons or McKinney level player but there are a lot of safeties on the market at the moment. We should be able to find an affordable upgrade.

 

 

Not to worry.  The first three words means it won't happen.

[MichaelWeston]

2 hours ago, sparky151 said:

Dehner's roster prediction has us signing Darnell Savage with Hill moving to CB. He has Scott kept around for special teams. 

 

Savage is a big hitter but not very good in coverage. I think we need better coverage, ie a FS such as Stone. We won't pay up for a Simmons or McKinney level player but there are a lot of safeties on the market at the moment. We should be able to find an affordable upgrade.

 

Agreed on the coverage safety. Seems like that's a priority

[claptonrocks]

3 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

Agreed on the coverage safety. Seems like that's a priority

Seems we have aot of priorities.

Can't fix them all.

 

[MichaelWeston]

I just mean they won't target a box safety vs a FS

[Le Tigre]

7 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Can't fix them all.

 

That should not be the epithet for the 2024 season. 

[claptonrocks]

4 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

That should not be the epithet for the 2024 season. 

 

What should it be?

We shall overcome?

[sparky151]

32 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Seems we have aot of priorities.

Can't fix them all.

 

 

Au contraire.

 

Bengals have 9 draft picks and a lot of cap space. It's definitely possible to go to minicamp with no obvious roster holes. That doesn't mean players won't get injured in training camp or preseason games but we should have a good mix of vets and youth with talent in all the position groups. 

[|BlackJesus|]

A wildcard to look out for is drafting Cooper DeJean at #18 and playing him at FS. 

[|High School Harry|]

10 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:

A wildcard to look out for is drafting Cooper DeJean at #18 and playing him at FS. 

Way too wild with so many other needs.

[|BlackJesus|]

2 minutes ago, High School Harry said:

Way too wild with so many other needs.

 

... He has some of the best tape ever assembled. Could be a game changer right away. 

[New Jersey Bengal]

1 hour ago, BlackJesus said:

 

... He has some of the best tape ever assembled. Could be a game changer right away. 

I'm with you here he is awesome 

[Inigo Montoya]

2 hours ago, sparky151 said:

 

Au contraire.

 

Bengals have 9 draft picks and a lot of cap space. It's definitely possible to go to minicamp with no obvious roster holes. That doesn't mean players won't get injured in training camp or preseason games but we should have a good mix of vets and youth with talent in all the position groups. 

I tend to agree.  Hard to predict exactly what will happen obviously, but reports/rumors seem to indicate there will be action in free agency.  I’m hearing a safety will be brought in for sure and also they’ll try to sign Reader or another DT to replace him.  OT and TE are clear needs on offense so there will be moves there as well.  I also wouldn’t rule out CB.  

[sparky151]

I'd like us to have our needs covered with vets going into the draft so we can take the best player at 18, whether it's Bowers, Thomas, Murphy, DeJean, Mims, etc. 

[T-Dub]

42 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

I'd like us to have our needs covered with vets going into the draft so we can take the best player at 18

 

 

No reason they can't make it happen with the amount of cap space they're sitting on.  They're not going to have Pro Bowlers at every position but they can at least avoid making draft picks out of desperation.

[MichaelWeston]

Byard to the bears for 2 years 15 M total. 

 

I would have paid that but that's near where I would have a ceiling. He will be a centerpiece for that team. 

[sparky151]

I'm surprised the Bears paid that much for an older and slowing guy. Titans, then Eagles moved on from him. IMO Bears should have paid up for McKinney or Simmons. 

[Le Tigre]

All things considered, the Bengals safety room is open and ready for business. 
 

Pretty well stocked now with Stones, Vonn, Battle, Dax. Lots of versatility in where Lou puts them. Strength up the middle looks OK. 

[sparky151]

Let's see if Hill remains at safety. They typically carry 4 safeties and 6 CBs. At the moment it looks like the depth chart is 

 

FS1 Geno Stone

FS2 Dax Hill

SS1 Vonn Bell

SS2 Jordan Battle

SS3 Tycen Anderson

 

Maybe Battle gets more starts and snaps than Bell. That would be ok. If Anderson can't stay healthy, he would be out. But he has good wheels and could back up at free safety if Hill moves to CB.