The Chase "melt down" flag

[Jamie_B]

1 minute ago, UncleEarl said:

I agree that Chase is probably letting the contract thing bother him.  Being pretty much shut down for two weeks isn’t helping.  He needs to find a way to separate business and the game. 

 

Same thing happened to Jessie Bates.

[A Rock]

He seems pretty disgusted post game. I actually like that, but I wish he had the kind of fire to beat double teams as he has to get pissed at refs. Zac seems to take it all in stride. Says he's proud of how they played, which is all fine and dandy but should probably be a very secondary emotion. He called this an emotional loss. Well it was, but for me that emotion should be disgust. They blew it. 

[|BlackJesus|]

[New Jersey Bengal]

32 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

Same thing happened to Jessie Bates.

As HSH said sign him and get the bs over with!

[-GoBengals-]

1 hour ago, BlackJesus said:

It sure looks like it ...

 

... So if the ref told Ja'Marr "Get the fuck out of my face" and he then cursed back and got the flag, that would be some home cooking bullshit. 

 

ref interview says he was abbusive, said foul language isnt a penalty, abusive language AT the official is the line he crossed. so this take isnt accurate at all.

[-GoBengals-]

30 minutes ago, A Rock said:

He seems pretty disgusted post game. I actually like that, but I wish he had the kind of fire to beat double teams as he has to get pissed at refs. Zac seems to take it all in stride. Says he's proud of how they played, which is all fine and dandy but should probably be a very secondary emotion. He called this an emotional loss. Well it was, but for me that emotion should be disgust. They blew it. 

 

i mean the chiefs blew it too, mahomes threw 2 bad picks, we had a fumble six and dropped first downs, both teams gave the other the chances to win it.. they just ended up with the last one.. which is how each of those games have gone. 

 

cant in any way says the bengals blew it more than KC did. kelce didnt exist, one deep pass beating CTB/safety and their offense looks pathetic without it.. 

 

this was great football entertainment.. bummed we lost. would have been a emotional win.. but was an emotional loss.

[Le Tigre]

1 minute ago, GoBengals said:

 

ref interview says he was abbusive, said foul language isnt a penalty, abusive language AT the official is the line he crossed. so this take isnt accurate at all.

Old hockey player I know has always said “Never cuss AT the ref…cuss around him”

[-GoBengals-]

5 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

Old hockey player I know has always said “Never cuss AT the ref…cuss around him”

 

im assuming he called him a motherfucker or some such series of words around it. like he is allowed to says that call is fucking bullshit, or that should be a fucking flag or throw the fucking flag. but not throw the flag, motherfucker

[|High School Harry|]

27 minutes ago, GoBengals said:

 

i mean the chiefs blew it too, mahomes threw 2 bad picks, we had a fumble six and dropped first downs, both teams gave the other the chances to win it.. they just ended up with the last one.. which is how each of those games have gone. 

 

cant in any way says the bengals blew it more than KC did. kelce didnt exist, one deep pass beating CTB/safety and their offense looks pathetic without it.. 

 

this was great football entertainment.. bummed we lost. would have been a emotional win.. but was an emotional loss.

One of those "bad picks" was a circus catch we won't see again this season.

Not a bad play by Mahones as much as a fantastic one by Taylor-Britt.

[T-Dub]

1 minute ago, High School Harry said:

One of those "bad picks" was a circus catch we won't see again this season.

Not a bad play by Mahones as much as a fantastic one by Taylor-Britt.

 

That one-hander made me think he should get some snaps on offense

[New Jersey Bengal]

5 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

That one-hander made me think he should get some snaps on offense

Great athlete

[New Jersey Bengal]

33 minutes ago, New Jersey Bengal said:

Great athlete

I remember when he was drafted Louis Reddick we got a great player he was right!

[A Rock]

1 hour ago, GoBengals said:

 

i mean the chiefs blew it too, mahomes threw 2 bad picks, we had a fumble six and dropped first downs, both teams gave the other the chances to win it.. they just ended up with the last one.. which is how each of those games have gone. 

 

cant in any way says the bengals blew it more than KC did. kelce didnt exist, one deep pass beating CTB/safety and their offense looks pathetic without it.. 

 

this was great football entertainment.. bummed we lost. would have been a emotional win.. but was an emotional loss.

Yeah, but the only objective is win the game. We had the lead and the ball late, and couldn't seal the deal. We had em stopped after the refs made the correct call of hands to the face. 4th and 16 and our rookie definitely runs right into their guy and handed them the game. They (the Chiefs) didn't play particularly well, but they got the W. That's all that matters. Those jackasses are already gonna die with rings and they're gonna sleep like babies tonight. Meanwhile we can stare at the ceiling with moral victories, ref blaming, and coulda, shoulda, woulda. I'd say losing qualifies as "blew it more than KC did."

 

[New Jersey Bengal]

I agree here BUT being now down 7 d linemen I'd say we played admirably for sure don't want to make excuses but that is insane Thats a huge blow for any team 

[LostInDaJungle]

3 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

Additionally, he's drawing double teams every play with Tee not out there, so he's creating opportunities for others, but he's such a playmaker that he's not going to be satisfied as a valuable decoy. 

 

Most of the Twitterati just sees his lack of catches and yards and thinks he's stinking it up and doing nothing for the team, when actually most of the other's catches come on his side of the field because he draws all the coverage. 

This is two games in a row now where Chase has taken an "attitude" foul. Too many men against the Pats as he moseyed off the field slowly being the other. Neither one specifically lost us the game, but neither one helped either.

Contracts are what they are. The greats don't let it be a black mark on what they accomplish on the field. Without playing who's right and who's wrong, IF they ever talk about this guy for Canton, why let a contract dispute hurt your legacy?

I mean, for a guy who talks a lot about being a professional, it's not very professional. It's not the attitude you want to see from your leaders. He's pouting like a spoiled child, and it's unbecoming a full grown man. He's letting his dime store ego hold back his million dollar talent. And to be sure, he has generational talent... But football is a team game. If he wants to be a cornerstone of the team, he should start by showing he's solid.

I'm all about the players.... And this team is starting to get Chad/Carson/TO difficult to watch this year. Hendrickson, Higgins, Chase... They all have gotten big egos, and nothing is less hot than a hot girl overselling just how hot she is with broccoli in her teeth. Frankly, Burrow's a little too "Hollywood" for a guy who needs to prove he can finish a season. They're just not that fun to root for. And watching them squander one of our best chances to have a great season in a while... It's just... Ugh. Right now you're not playing well enough for your ego sh*t to be cute. Knock it off, buckle down and win some games, and then you can talk about GD glizzy's 'til the f***ing cows come home. 

After watching "The Little Hands of Concrete" Yoshi drop balls all day... I'm not saying letting Chase go is even an option. But frankly, the fact that he's not too bright and quite immature were red flags in his draft process. I mean, nothing malicious, but he's basically functioning at the level of an Adam Sandler character. He loses arguments with parrots.

I'd like a team that's not only fun to watch, which they were today, but that's fun to root for. And there was a point today when I gladly would have given Chase's reps to any a-hole who actually wanted to play a football game. WR's not getting off the snap on run plays... This effin' team is acting like they already won the divisional playoff game, and they're 0-2. I've seen more effort in exhibition games. Props to Lou Anarumo for putting PCP in the Defense's Gatorade. They woke up after the 1st quarter.

Speaking of which... May Zac Taylor smoke a turd in hell for every 1st quarter preseason snap not played by a starter.

Let's hope this movie has a 2nd act redemption arc. The Ghost of Paul Brown comes down and give Chase a brain, Burrow a heart, and Zac Taylor some courage. They realized the deep ball was inside them the whole time or something.

[Le Tigre]

8 hours ago, GoBengals said:

 

im assuming he called him a motherfucker or some such series of words around it. like he is allowed to says that call is fucking bullshit, or that should be a fucking flag or throw the fucking flag. but not throw the flag, motherfucker

Yep

[|BlackJesus|]

[Le Tigre]

7 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said:

This is two games in a row now where Chase has taken an "attitude" foul. Too many men against the Pats as he moseyed off the field slowly being the other. Neither one specifically lost us the game, but neither one helped either.

Contracts are what they are. The greats don't let it be a black mark on what they accomplish on the field. Without playing who's right and who's wrong, IF they ever talk about this guy for Canton, why let a contract dispute hurt your legacy?

I mean, for a guy who talks a lot about being a professional, it's not very professional. It's not the attitude you want to see from your leaders. He's pouting like a spoiled child, and it's unbecoming a full grown man. He's letting his dime store ego hold back his million dollar talent. And to be sure, he has generational talent... But football is a team game. If he wants to be a cornerstone of the team, he should start by showing he's solid.

I'm all about the players.... And this team is starting to get Chad/Carson/TO difficult to watch this year. Hendrickson, Higgins, Chase... They all have gotten big egos, and nothing is less hot than a hot girl overselling just how hot she is with broccoli in her teeth. Frankly, Burrow's a little too "Hollywood" for a guy who needs to prove he can finish a season. They're just not that fun to root for. And watching them squander one of our best chances to have a great season in a while... It's just... Ugh. Right now you're not playing well enough for your ego sh*t to be cute. Knock it off, buckle down and win some games, and then you can talk about GD glizzy's 'til the f***ing cows come home. 

After watching "The Little Hands of Concrete" Yoshi drop balls all day... I'm not saying letting Chase go is even an option. But frankly, the fact that he's not too bright and quite immature were red flags in his draft process. I mean, nothing malicious, but he's basically functioning at the level of an Adam Sandler character. He loses arguments with parrots.

I'd like a team that's not only fun to watch, which they were today, but that's fun to root for. And there was a point today when I gladly would have given Chase's reps to any a-hole who actually wanted to play a football game. WR's not getting off the snap on run plays... This effin' team is acting like they already won the divisional playoff game, and they're 0-2. I've seen more effort in exhibition games. Props to Lou Anarumo for putting PCP in the Defense's Gatorade. They woke up after the 1st quarter.

Speaking of which... May Zac Taylor smoke a turd in hell for every 1st quarter preseason snap not played by a starter.

Let's hope this movie has a 2nd act redemption arc. The Ghost of Paul Brown comes down and give Chase a brain, Burrow a heart, and Zac Taylor some courage. They realized the deep ball was inside them the whole time or something.

Brilliant post…as few but you can do. Sums it all up. 
 

Going a step further: the NFL in general hasn’t been “fun” for decades. Roger and The Rockettes have turned a simple game into a weekly blitzkrieg on one’s sensory lobes. Mix in multitudinous rules that are impossible to consistently enforce…plus mega-marketing “stars” on the field…and 365 days straight of X-driven “analysis” (to name just a few), and any amount of “fun” gets ground into turmeric powder. 
 

And don’t get me started on the Bataan Death March of sensory overload and other “fun” inside the stadiums. 
 

Thanks for bringing it into perspective.
 

[HavePityPlease]

8 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said:

They all have gotten big egos, and nothing is less hot than a hot girl overselling just how hot she is with broccoli in her teeth. 

 

 

We miss you around here dude, stick around

[|BlackJesus|]

How is this not one ?  🤔 

(for the record, I think they should be allowed, but since they are not now.) 

 

[LostInDaJungle]

9 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:

How is this not one ?  🤔 

(for the record, I think they should be allowed, but since they are not now.) 

 

I mean.... Honestly?

When does it look like the defender becomes dead weight? He's pretty much supporting himself with at least one foot through most of it. Where's the big "drop"? When does his butt hit the turf?

He also gets Chase up around the shoulders. Then looks to be trying to lean the top of his body down, until Chase pulls through and causes his weight to swivel around Chase. At that point one knee bounces down. The origin of the tackle is not from behind. The defensive player is not on the ground at the conclusion of the tackle.

IMHO, the whole "swing" of his body happens because Chase is trying to power through the tackle. At no point does he just lift his feet and try to become dead weight. The contact is kinda from the side, but they're also touching facemasks so... I wouldn't call that a tackle from the side. If it was a blocking play I'd consider it face-to-face. The defensive player does not land on his legs, and has his feet set so he doesn't even go down at the end of the tackle.

I don't think this is a hip drop. Neither in the spirit of the dangerous tackling they are trying to prohibit, nor in the technical definition of the term. If it is, you have to start calling the same on any LB who gets a RB with a full head of steam coming through the gap. TBH, I didn't pay that much attention to why the call was made, and watching the replay I'm less convinced that there was a reason to be throwing helmets.

[claptonrocks]

14 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

That one-hander made me think he should get some snaps on offense

He's probably a better option than Trenton Irwin right now..😎

[claptonrocks]

32 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said:

I mean.... Honestly?

When does it look like the defender becomes dead weight? He's pretty much supporting himself with at least one foot through most of it. Where's the big "drop"? When does his butt hit the turf?

He also gets Chase up around the shoulders. Then looks to be trying to lean the top of his body down, until Chase pulls through and causes his weight to swivel around Chase. At that point one knee bounces down. The origin of the tackle is not from behind. The defensive player is not on the ground at the conclusion of the tackle.

IMHO, the whole "swing" of his body happens because Chase is trying to power through the tackle. At no point does he just lift his feet and try to become dead weight. The contact is kinda from the side, but they're also touching facemasks so... I wouldn't call that a tackle from the side. If it was a blocking play I'd consider it face-to-face. The defensive player does not land on his legs, and has his feet set so he doesn't even go down at the end of the tackle.

I don't think this is a hip drop. Neither in the spirit of the dangerous tackling they are trying to prohibit, nor in the technical definition of the term. If it is, you have to start calling the same on any LB who gets a RB with a full head of steam coming through the gap. TBH, I didn't pay that much attention to why the call was made, and watching the replay I'm less convinced that there was a reason to be throwing helmets.

Great points...

As Allways..

Props sir..

[Jamie_B]

He took him down by the shoulders though

[LostInDaJungle]

2 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

He took him down by the shoulders though

Still not a hip drop. Let's even say it's a 50/50 call... It doesn't justify throwing a helmet. It's not an "OMG, how could you miss that blatant penalty!" lose your crap kinda thing.

Trey was held all game long. Egregiously. I don't dispute that. But if he draws a 15 yard unsportsmanlike complaining about it, it's a bonehead move, period. I don't care if Jamarr got kicked in the balls. Getting a 15 yard penalty doesn't help anything. He rewarded that player for tackling him roughly, and he's going to have a target on his back because other teams now know that this is a guy who will lose his cool at big moments.

If Charlie Jones had pulled this, no one would be looking to make excuses. Charlie Jones is not a leader on this team. When you're a leader, when you want that big payday, you get held to a higher standard, not a lower one. Maybe that's just plain old fashioned nowadays, but the Diva act is wearing thin, and the HOF is notoriously short on Divas. Not showing up to practice, being a bad attitude in the locker room, and now his on field antics. You have to stop apologizing for the guy at some point.

12 months ago, I liked Jamarr Chase. I hope we can get back to that point. I want to like the guy.