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[-GoBengals-]

30 minutes ago, BBR said:

 

My question about his size is....  Is it possible something was misreported from the East/West Shrine Game coverage where it was claimed he was 6'3" tall and only 288 lbs.?  NFL Combine measurements had him larger than that at 6'4" and 301 lbs.  It's possible that he puts on about 15lbs of crappy weight but it always seemed more likely to me that the 288 lbs. thing was a mistake someplace that was then endlessly repeated.

Unless he really was regularly 288 lbs. or less, then he's actually not that much smaller in size than Karras was coming out and slightly more athletic.

Matt Lee:

Height: 6'4" (6035)

Weight: 301 lbs.

Hand Size: 9 1/4 inches

Arm Length: 32 1/8 inches

Wingspan: 75 5/8 inches

40 Yard Dash: 5.03 seconds

20 Yard Shuttle: 4.69 seconds

3-Cone Drill 7.97 seconds

225 lbs. reps: 25

 

Ted Karras:

Height: 6'4" (6036)

Weight: 307 lbs.

Hand Size: 9 1/2 inches

Arm Length: 32 1/2 inches

Wingspan; 77 1/2 inches

40 Yard Dash 5.33 seconds

20 Yard Shuttle: 4.70 seconds

3-Cone Drill 8.15 seconds

225 lbs. reps: 32

 

Lee is clearly, slightly smaller for his overall build (biggest difference is wingspan) but it's really all about that 288 lbs. bit and whether or not that was correct.  So much copy-paste in the draft community, that if it actually was a mistake it would get blown out of proportion.  Either way, the hope is that Matt Lee can add some good weight/strength to his frame while learning behind Karras for a few years before taking the reigns.  He's a longshot but until he actually fails, he's a big chunk of hope and optimism which is easy to root for after so many picks that turned out to be pure shit.

 

 

i think ted was considered under sides as well, i may be mistaken, but he was. late round pick that panned out and was undersized to was successful.. i could be thinking of someone else, maybe someone else remembers.

[-GoBengals-]

Ted scouting report..  has him listed a little taller

 

NEGATIVES

Limited athleticism is the biggest negative for Karras. His explosive movements are limited, and he doesn’t show fire coming out of his stance. He’s stiff overall and will struggle to reach linebackers at the second level.

Karras has the frame of a short, squatty blocker, but he plays with unusually poor pad height. He’s rarely the low man and doesn’t sink with fluid hips into his blocks. Because of that, Karras can get walked back by a good bull rush and struggle when asked to carry a block laterally.

A torn MCL and ACL in 2014 will need to be checked before draft day. Karras doesn’t offer much athletically, but he is technically savvy and will give a team great effort on every down.

COMBINE RESULTS

Height: 6'3"

Weight: 307 lbs.

40 Time: 5.35s

Arm Length: 32 ⅛"

3-Cone: 8.30s

Short Shuttle: 4.83s

[-GoBengals-]

This is a 2024 photo of Ted Karras of the Cincinnati Bengals NFL football team. Ted Karras. C. #64. Experience: 9 years. Height: 6-4. Age: 31. Weight: 310 lbs.

 

bengals.com profile he just keeps getting taller...

[BBR]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2633856-ted-karras-nfl-draft-2016-scouting-report-grade-for-patriots-rookie

 

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Karras is country strong and has the thick, tough frame and wide base of a guard. He has enough power in his hands to hammer home a punch in pass protection but also shows a nimble, easy short-slide to hop into a gap and stop rushers. His body control on the move is better than you expect given his overall athleticism.

 

The best aspect of Karras’ game is his strength. He’s able to control defenders at the point of attack with his hands, and once locked onto a player, he can take him for a walk. Like a bouncer throwing someone out of a club, once Karras has his hands on you it’s game over.

 

 

The number of times you see OL profiles that talk about game-over when they get their hands on you....
I admit it - I used to eat this shit up.  I always watch all the draft stuff, pay attention to it, but honestly - at least 98% of it is a bunch of BS.

 

The guys writing these reviews will make 1/4 of an inch and a few pounds be the difference between country strong with a wide base and too small without the functional strength to play in the NFL as anything other than a backup.

[Jamie_B]

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[Jamie_B]

He apparently played under McNally when McNally was with the Giants

[-GoBengals-]

2 hours ago, BBR said:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2633856-ted-karras-nfl-draft-2016-scouting-report-grade-for-patriots-rookie

 

 

 

The number of times you see OL profiles that talk about game-over when they get their hands on you....
I admit it - I used to eat this shit up.  I always watch all the draft stuff, pay attention to it, but honestly - at least 98% of it is a bunch of BS.

 

The guys writing these reviews will make 1/4 of an inch and a few pounds be the difference between country strong with a wide base and too small without the functional strength to play in the NFL as anything other than a backup.

 

 

yea at this stage agents can find SOMEONE to write a glowing review, the writers are desperate for views, the players and agents are desperate for draft stock, its a system of trash. 

[claptonrocks]

6 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

I saw someone refer to it as the Triple Frown.  😆

 

We have a gaping hole at RG.now

Replacement needed. Desperately.

 

 

[claptonrocks]

6 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said:

I just think people are confusing the "value" of the pick with him being a great player. People on this board seem to think he's the answer to replacing two OL that were pretty highly regarded when they got here.

It falls into the "First round talent we got in the 4th round!" mold of falling in love with guys... And more often than not, there's a reason those guys fell. And the very occasional Tom Brady. If he's a 4th round talent like GG likes to think... Why did 32 teams wait three rounds to pick him? Yes... Amazing to get a 70/70 guy in the 7th round, but that honestly just makes him the worst of what passes for acceptable college performance.

You can teach a guy to play, but you can't teach him to have longer arms. He's a high floor, low ceiling kind of guy. I'd be VERY reluctant to start making plans about moving the teddy bear. Glad to be proven wrong. I have a feeling Cam Heyward would eat him for lunch.

Maybe just a snack.

[claptonrocks]

4 hours ago, BBR said:

 

My question about his size is....  Is it possible something was misreported from the East/West Shrine Game coverage where it was claimed he was 6'3" tall and only 288 lbs.?  NFL Combine measurements had him larger than that at 6'4" and 301 lbs.  It's possible that he puts on about 15lbs of crappy weight but it always seemed more likely to me that the 288 lbs. thing was a mistake someplace that was then endlessly repeated.

Unless he really was regularly 288 lbs. or less, then he's actually not that much smaller in size than Karras was coming out and slightly more athletic.

Matt Lee:

Height: 6'4" (6035)

Weight: 301 lbs.

Hand Size: 9 1/4 inches

Arm Length: 32 1/8 inches

Wingspan: 75 5/8 inches

40 Yard Dash: 5.03 seconds

20 Yard Shuttle: 4.69 seconds

3-Cone Drill 7.97 seconds

225 lbs. reps: 25

 

Ted Karras:

Height: 6'4" (6036)

Weight: 307 lbs.

Hand Size: 9 1/2 inches

Arm Length: 32 1/2 inches

Wingspan; 77 1/2 inches

40 Yard Dash 5.33 seconds

20 Yard Shuttle: 4.70 seconds

3-Cone Drill 8.15 seconds

225 lbs. reps: 32

 

Lee is clearly, slightly smaller for his overall build (biggest difference is wingspan) but it's really all about that 288 lbs. bit and whether or not that was correct.  So much copy-paste in the draft community, that if it actually was a mistake it would get blown out of proportion.  Either way, the hope is that Matt Lee can add some good weight/strength to his frame while learning behind Karras for a few years before taking the reigns.  He's a longshot but until he actually fails, he's a big chunk of hope and optimism which is easy to root for after so many picks that turned out to be pure shit.

Those comments about teams passing over and over 

hold merit.

He isn't strong.

He had  5 yrs in college to developed himself.

He's maxed out.

That may not be enough.

,

 

[LostInDaJungle]

So, as much as the tape measure stays the same, I really see Lee and Karras as two different scouting reports:

Karras: Squat and strong. Limited athleticism.

Lee: Squat and... A good technician? He's a little more athletic than Karras. Sure... But not nearly athletic enough for it to be a game changer. The margin is small enough I wonder if there would still be a margin if Lee wasn't 20 pounds lighter.

And I think that's the big difference, at least on paper. Karras may hurt you by not getting to the second level, but by and large he isn't going to get run over on every play. Lee, seemingly, lacks the base strength needed to hold back the big boys play after play. Or at least that would be the concern. And you have to be strong enough to handle NFL DT's. Being able to get to the second level is a bonus.



That right there is a guy who skips leg day.

Now, According the the number scale on NFL.com, Lee is a better prospect than Karras was coming out of college. I'm not trying to say the guy sucks, but I also wouldn't be engaging in the exercise of thinking that Lee is some plug and play guy... AND thinking Karras can easily move to Guard. If Lee is a "Center only" prospect due to short arms, the same is true of Karras.

Who knows, maybe Lee comes in at a shredded 310... But right now, it sounds like he's top heavy and can't generate the push needed at this level. Just being realistic, he was the 10th best center in the draft for a reason. I'm rooting for the guy. I'm just not ready to cut Cappa and give him the starting job just yet. And I question why others are so sold on the idea that he's the answer to every problem.

[T-Dub]

42 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said:

So, as much as the tape measure stays the same, I really see Lee and Karras as two different scouting reports:

Karras: Squat and strong. Limited athleticism.

Lee: Squat and... A good technician? He's a little more athletic than Karras. Sure... But not nearly athletic enough for it to be a game changer. The margin is small enough I wonder if there would still be a margin if Lee wasn't 20 pounds lighter.

And I think that's the big difference, at least on paper. Karras may hurt you by not getting to the second level, but by and large he isn't going to get run over on every play. Lee, seemingly, lacks the base strength needed to hold back the big boys play after play. Or at least that would be the concern. And you have to be strong enough to handle NFL DT's. Being able to get to the second level is a bonus.



That right there is a guy who skips leg day.

Now, According the the number scale on NFL.com, Lee is a better prospect than Karras was coming out of college. I'm not trying to say the guy sucks, but I also wouldn't be engaging in the exercise of thinking that Lee is some plug and play guy... AND thinking Karras can easily move to Guard. If Lee is a "Center only" prospect due to short arms, the same is true of Karras.

Who knows, maybe Lee comes in at a shredded 310... But right now, it sounds like he's top heavy and can't generate the push needed at this level. Just being realistic, he was the 10th best center in the draft for a reason. I'm rooting for the guy. I'm just not ready to cut Cappa and give him the starting job just yet. And I question why others are so sold on the idea that he's the answer to every problem.

 

 

Karras had 7 more bench reps at 225, that's a significant difference for a rookie.

 

 

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That right there is a guy who skips leg day.

 

and his weight looks to be over his heels but WTF do I know

 

[claptonrocks]

9 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said:

So, as much as the tape measure stays the same, I really see Lee and Karras as two different scouting reports:

Karras: Squat and strong. Limited athleticism.

Lee: Squat and... A good technician? He's a little more athletic than Karras. Sure... But not nearly athletic enough for it to be a game changer. The margin is small enough I wonder if there would still be a margin if Lee wasn't 20 pounds lighter.

And I think that's the big difference, at least on paper. Karras may hurt you by not getting to the second level, but by and large he isn't going to get run over on every play. Lee, seemingly, lacks the base strength needed to hold back the big boys play after play. Or at least that would be the concern. And you have to be strong enough to handle NFL DT's. Being able to get to the second level is a bonus.



That right there is a guy who skips leg day.

Now, According the the number scale on NFL.com, Lee is a better prospect than Karras was coming out of college. I'm not trying to say the guy sucks, but I also wouldn't be engaging in the exercise of thinking that Lee is some plug and play guy... AND thinking Karras can easily move to Guard. If Lee is a "Center only" prospect due to short arms, the same is true of Karras.

Who knows, maybe Lee comes in at a shredded 310... But right now, it sounds like he's top heavy and can't generate the push needed at this level. Just being realistic, he was the 10th best center in the draft for a reason. I'm rooting for the guy. I'm just not ready to cut Cappa and give him the starting job just yet. And I question why others are so sold on the idea that he's the answer to every problem.

I don't think we're enamored with him st all.

Hoping it works out is the echo I hear.

If he turns into a decent backup ( like Ford) 

that may be all we can ask

 

We talked about the Oline coach taking a decent player and making him a good one.

At this stage I'm not even sure he's decent.

 

[Cricket]

9 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

Those comments about teams passing over and over hold merit.

 

Comments about teams passing over players is malarkey.

 

Except in those drafts where at least one team has traded away their first-round pick, EVERY SINGLE PLAYER DRAFTED IN THE SECOND ROUND OR LATER WAS PASSED OVER BY EVERY SINGLE TEAM AT LEAST ONCE…EVERY PLAYER DRAFTED BY EVERY TEAM.  

By the time you’re into the third round and beyond, you can’t draft a player that wasn’t passed over by all of the other teams.  It’s impossible to not pick a player that was “passed over.”

 

Tom Brady was passed over by all NFL teams four, five, or six times.  Our own Tim Krumrie was passed over by all other teams eight, nine, or ten times 

 

Saying a player was “passed over by other teams” mean shit…without proper evaluation(s) of the player.  
 

If a player has a 2nd-round grade (or evaluation) and he’s still available in the 4th round, there is likely a reason why he has been “passed over”…and the question becomes risk vs. reward (unless you have completely removed said player from your draft board).  

 

One of the Bengals’ biggest problems is that they don’t necessarily do a good job of evaluating talent.  Sometimes they hit big, but too many times they really over-value a player.  
 

I would think that if MY team evaluated (ranked) players, once my list was complete, I would compare it to other lists and evaluations available “out there in the public domain”…just to note players that MY team appear to have rated way too high.  Then try to figure out why.  “Hmm, Drew sample in the second round, while everyone else has him with a 4th or 5th round grade.  What did we miss?”   Ditto for Jackson Carman and countless others.  The Bengals don’t seem to do that (review other player rankings) and they are not necessarily good at evaluating talent.  Sure, sometimes they unearth a gem (Krumrie, Atkins etc.), but too often they lose draft leverage by selecting a big dud early on.   
 

Sorry for rambling on.  Basically just wanted to say that without other “measurements”, saying that we took a player that other teams “passed over and over” is disingenuous, as that “tag” would apply to ANY player drafted in that spot.

 

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[claptonrocks]

3 minutes ago, Cricket said:

Comments about teams passing over players is malarkey.

 

Except in those drafts where at least one team has traded away their first-round pick, EVERY SINGLE PLAYER DRAFTED IN THE SECOND ROUND OR LATER WAS PASSED OVER BY EVERY SINGLE TEAM AT LEAST ONCE…EVERY PLAYER DRAFTED BY EVERY TEAM.  

By the time you’re into the third round and beyond, you can’t draft a player that wasn’t passed over by all of the other teams.  It’s impossible to not pick a player that was “passed over.”

 

Tom Brady was passed over by all NFL teams four, five, or six times.  Our own Tim Krumrie was passed over by all other teams eight, nine, or ten times 

 

Saying a player was “passed over by other teams” mean shit…without proper evaluation(s) of the player.  
 

If a player has a 2nd-round grade (or evaluation) and he’s still available in the 4th round, there is likely a reason why he has been “passed over”…and the question becomes risk vs. reward (unless you have completely removed said player from your draft board).  

 

One of the Bengals’ biggest problems is that they don’t necessarily do a good job of evaluating talent.  Sometimes they hit big, but too many times they really over-value a player.  
 

I would think that if MY team evaluated (ranked) players, once my list was complete, I would compare it to other lists and evaluations available “out there in the public domain”…just to note players that MY team appear to have rated way too high.  Then try to figure out why.  “Hmm, Drew sample in the second round, while everyone else has him with a 4th or 5th round grade.  What did we miss?”   Ditto for Jackson Carman and countless others.  The Bengals don’t seem to do that (review other player rankings) and they are not necessarily good at evaluating talent.  Sure, sometimes they unearth a gem (Krumrie, Atkins etc.), but too often they lose draft leverage by selecting a big dud early on.   
 

Sorry for rambling on.  Basically just wanted to say that without other “measurements”, saying that we took a player that other teams “passed over and over” is disingenuous, as that “tag” would apply to ANY player drafted in that spot.

 

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Good post and point taken..

Some lower draft picks do work out .

His body and strength may have dropped his stick.

A team could work with those deficiencies.

 

 

[dex]

Considering his poor size-strength profile as a draft prospect, I thought it was jaw-dropping that Matt Lee evolved into the 6th linemen in mostly short yardage jumbo packages. That role is usually filled by a bruiser smash-mouth type, not a pure center noted for excellent pass protection. So that was a strange choice.

[LostInDaJungle]

1 minute ago, Cricket said:

EVERY SINGLE PLAYER DRAFTED IN THE SECOND ROUND OR LATER WAS PASSED OVER BY EVERY SINGLE TEAM AT LEAST ONCE

Having a guy with a 4th round grade last until the 7th round is getting passed over. Having a QB who is expected to be undrafted go in the 6th is not.

And once that happens, you look for reasons why. Good or bad.

And again, I don't think Lee is a bad prospect... I just wonder why so many people are this high on a 7th round center, the 10th selected, as the savior of the O-Line. Just Devil's advocate, Volson is bigger stronger and more agile... Why not hang your hopes on Peters getting something good out of him instead of falling in love with a bench warmer? Just the bias of not having to watch the guy play and get his ass handed to him? We know Volson sucks but we don't know that Lee sucks, yet... Everyone loves the backup QB who hasn't thrown an interception all year.

If you view the guy as a starter, if that was the view league wide, he doesn't make it to the end of day 3. So, he's a promising prospect, but the notion that he's a plug and play starter seems a little off. That was true of Tom Brady as well. And while many guys play above their draft grade, it's not the norm. What have we seen from Lee so far that convinces us he's the guy?? That's my question.

 

9 hours ago, T-Dub said:

and his weight looks to be over his heels but WTF do I know

That's true, but still skinny legs for an O-Lineman. It's the best pic I could find that wasn't him in full pads with 2 knee braces on.

[dex]

7 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said:

And again, I don't think Lee is a bad prospect... I just wonder why so many people are this high on a 7th round center, the 10th selected, as the savior of the O-Line. Just Devil's advocate, Volson is bigger stronger and more agile... Why not hang your hopes on Peters getting something good out of him instead of falling in love with a bench warmer? Just the bias of not having to watch the guy play and get his ass handed to him? We know Volson sucks but we don't know that Lee sucks, yet... Everyone loves the backup QB who hasn't thrown an interception all year.

If you view the guy as a starter, if that was the view league wide, he doesn't make it to the end of day 3. So, he's a promising prospect, but the notion that he's a plug and play starter seems a little off. That was true of Tom Brady as well. And while many guys play above their draft grade, it's not the norm. What have we seen from Lee so far that convinces us he's the guy?? That's my question.

 

 

I think you are overthinking this. The biggest reason that Lee was available as a 7th rounder is lack of versatility. Only 8 OL are usually active on gameday and the 3 reserves usually have to be versatile to account for any injuries. Doesn't mean Lee can't develop into a starter, but if he does it will only be at center. Also, because Lee is known as a pass protector rather than as a run blocker, he is a better fit for teams who throw the ball a ton - like the Bengals. 

 

Lee (known for pass pro coming out of Miami) is certainly a better value as a 7th rounder than Volson (known as a run blocker in the Dakotas) was as a 4th rounder for a team that mostly runs their offense out of the shotgun.

[LostInDaJungle]

2 minutes ago, dex said:

a better value as a 7th rounder than Volson

But is he actually a better player? And if so, based on.... 

Wal Mart steak for $13 a pound is a better value than $60 a pound Waygu, but that doesn't mean it's a better steak.

[claptonrocks]

21 minutes ago, LostInDaJungle said:

But is he actually a better player? And if so, based on.... 

Wal Mart steak for $13 a pound is a better value than $60 a pound Waygu, but that doesn't mean it's a better steak.

I couldn't sniff Waygo at that cost..

Must be the marbling that ups the price.

[T-Dub]

1 hour ago, Cricket said:

Comments about teams passing over players is malarkey.

 

Except in those drafts where at least one team has traded away their first-round pick, EVERY SINGLE PLAYER DRAFTED IN THE SECOND ROUND OR LATER WAS PASSED OVER BY EVERY SINGLE TEAM AT LEAST ONCE…EVERY PLAYER DRAFTED BY EVERY TEAM.  

By the time you’re into the third round and beyond, you can’t draft a player that wasn’t passed over by all of the other teams.  It’s impossible to not pick a player that was “passed over.”

 

Tom Brady was passed over by all NFL teams four, five, or six times.  Our own Tim Krumrie was passed over by all other teams eight, nine, or ten times 

 

Saying a player was “passed over by other teams” mean shit…without proper evaluation(s) of the player.  
 

If a player has a 2nd-round grade (or evaluation) and he’s still available in the 4th round, there is likely a reason why he has been “passed over”…and the question becomes risk vs. reward (unless you have completely removed said player from your draft board).  

 

One of the Bengals’ biggest problems is that they don’t necessarily do a good job of evaluating talent.  Sometimes they hit big, but too many times they really over-value a player.  
 

I would think that if MY team evaluated (ranked) players, once my list was complete, I would compare it to other lists and evaluations available “out there in the public domain”…just to note players that MY team appear to have rated way too high.  Then try to figure out why.  “Hmm, Drew sample in the second round, while everyone else has him with a 4th or 5th round grade.  What did we miss?”   Ditto for Jackson Carman and countless others.  The Bengals don’t seem to do that (review other player rankings) and they are not necessarily good at evaluating talent.  Sure, sometimes they unearth a gem (Krumrie, Atkins etc.), but too often they lose draft leverage by selecting a big dud early on.   
 

Sorry for rambling on.  Basically just wanted to say that without other “measurements”, saying that we took a player that other teams “passed over and over” is disingenuous, as that “tag” would apply to ANY player drafted in that spot.

 

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IDK if it's the old man's Ivy League education (no not that one.. or that one.. or that one.. that other one people forget about) is behind it but I often get the impression this FO thinks they're going to outmaneuver the rest of the NFL because they're the smartest in the room.. and then don't let anyone else in the room to make sure of it (scouts etc.) This is how you end up with a bifocal-wearing OC that thinks Ayn Rand is deep and the shovel pass a clever gambit. For example.  Nepotism at the top leads to group-think and little patience for dissenting opinions. Loyalty and tenure are more important than ability or results. This is how you get a no-longer-employed-for-very-good-reason Paul Alexander still, somehow, inexplicably given his record, weighing in on draft picks For example. It also leads to dismissing all outside opinions, particularly when they run counter to their own. The more indication their conclusions are wrong, the more they convince themselves they've discovered some hidden truth. This is how they end up with a John Ross, or trading for the likes of Cordy Glenn, for example. It's bad enough to have a GM that believes he's untouchable but even worse when he's convinced himself it's due to merit. To question that would be to question the credentials of those who keep him in that position. In a family business where leadership is determined by bloodline, this simply is not done. The king (or queen) is the king because he is the king and you quibble with this logic at your peril.

[LostInDaJungle]

3 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

I couldn't sniff Waygo at that cost..

Must be the marbling that ups the price.

TBH... It's good, but I rarely think "Oh, wow, this $95 steak was totally worth it!" I usually think "Thank god the company is paying for this!" Get two glasses of wine in me and I'll happily eat fried bologna. IDGAF.



Now, if I was competing on Iron Chef....

[sparky151]

3 hours ago, dex said:

Considering his poor size-strength profile as a draft prospect, I thought it was jaw-dropping that Matt Lee evolved into the 6th linemen in mostly short yardage jumbo packages. That role is usually filled by a bruiser smash-mouth type, not a pure center noted for excellent pass protection. So that was a strange choice.

 

Not really. The Bengals don't have a pure fullback, with Sample filling that role at times. If they want to get bigger for a short yardage situation, there is a limited buffet of options. A 300lb guy who has better than average movement skills for his size seems about right.

 

Also, the question isn't whether Lee or Karras can replace Kappa (or Volson). It's whether or not the Bengals extend Karras or see Lee as Mayor Ted's successor. If the Bengals miss on a guard on day 2 of the draft, I wouldn't mind them picking Seth McLaughlin on day 3. He can play center or guard and can run block. He'll need a redshirt year coming back from his achilles injury so he will be underrated as a 2025 prospect.

 

[claptonrocks]

7 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

 

Not really. The Bengals don't have a pure fullback, with Sample filling that role at times. If they want to get bigger for a short yardage situation, there is a limited buffet of options. A 300lb guy who has better than average movement skills for his size seems about right.

 

Also, the question isn't whether Lee or Karras can replace Kappa (or Volson). It's whether or not the Bengals extend Karras or see Lee as Mayor Ted's successor. If the Bengals miss on a guard on day 2 of the draft, I wouldn't mind them picking Seth McLaughlin on day 3. He can play center or guard and can run block. He'll need a redshirt year coming back from his achilles injury so he will be underrated as a 2025 prospect.

 

He was  considered a top C before injury.

Definstely would take a shot at him in day 3.

[Le Tigre]

2 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

He was  considered a top C before injury.

Definstely would take a shot at him in day 3.

So will everyone else. Day 3 is the Dents and Dings Aisle