oldschooler Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [b][size="5"][color="#000000"]Logan Mankins' situation may help Bengals[/color][/size][/b] August, 24, 2010 By James Walker The NFL is a highly-competitive league where any advantage might be the difference in winning and losing. For the [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals"][color="#608fd6"]Cincinnati Bengals[/color][/url], they should keep an eye [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5492437"][color="#225db7"]on the situation[/color][/url] involving [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots"][color="#225db7"]New England Patriots[/color][/url] Pro Bowl guard [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8446"][color="#225db7"]Logan Mankins[/color][/url]. He's currently involved in an ugly contract dispute with New England that probably won't end any time soon. Cincinnati will play the Patriots in Week 1. Mankins is New England's best offensive lineman. His potential absence will only hurt the Patriots against Cincinnati's physical defense, which ranked fourth in the NFL last season. Recently, we wrote how [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets"][color="#225db7"]New York Jets[/color][/url] Pro Bowl cornerback [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10458"][color="#225db7"]Darrelle Revis[/color][/url]' contract [url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/15801/is-revis-controversy-helping-ravens"][color="#225db7"]holdout could also help[/color][/url] the [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravens"][color="#225db7"]Baltimore Ravens[/color][/url] in Week 1. The AFC East division will be a tough opponent throughout the year for the AFC North. But potentially missing a pair of Pro Bowlers early makes it a little easier. [url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/16390/logan-mankins-situation-may-help-bengals"]http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/16390/logan-mankins-situation-may-help-bengals[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrlnutz Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 I got a few minutes before "work" starts so....would anyone else give up a 1st rounder to trade for Mankins? Would upgrade the worst spot on our line with argueably the best LG in the league and is likely better than whoever we could get with the 32nd pick next year. I think I'd pursue it if I were in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='Squirrlnutz' timestamp='1282739132' post='909926'] I got a few minutes before "work" starts so....would anyone else give up a 1st rounder to trade for Mankins? Would upgrade the worst spot on our line with argueably the best LG in the league and is likely better than whoever we could get with the 32nd pick next year. I think I'd pursue it if I were in charge. [/quote] no? Why would you give up a first rounder for a guy who's already 28 and wants a new contract? Someone started a thread like this a week or so ago. I'd gladly give up a 3rd, but not too much more. And at this point the patriots will probably cave. They're linemen are dropping like flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaverHunter Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 2nd all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 A 1? No. A 2? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBengal Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Giving up a 1st rounder for a guard that you are going to have to pay $8 million per year is dicey. I don't think I would give him $8 million per year even if he didnt cost any draft picks. The Pats don't seem willing to give Mankins the contract that he wants, so why should the Bengals give the Pats a high draft pick for the right to give him his contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patmo Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Mentioning that he wants a big contract answers the question from the Bengal standpoint. Mike wouldn't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1282738406' post='909917'] [b][size="5"][color="#000000"]Logan Mankins' situation may help Bengals[/color][/size][/b] August, 24, 2010 By James Walker The NFL is a highly-competitive league where any advantage might be the difference in winning and losing. For the [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals"][color="#608fd6"]Cincinnati Bengals[/color][/url], they should keep an eye [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5492437"][color="#225db7"]on the situation[/color][/url] involving [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots"][color="#225db7"]New England Patriots[/color][/url] Pro Bowl guard [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8446"][color="#225db7"]Logan Mankins[/color][/url]. He's currently involved in an ugly contract dispute with New England that probably won't end any time soon. Cincinnati will play the Patriots in Week 1. Mankins is New England's best offensive lineman. His potential absence will only hurt the Patriots against Cincinnati's physical defense, which ranked fourth in the NFL last season. Recently, we wrote how [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets"][color="#225db7"]New York Jets[/color][/url] Pro Bowl cornerback [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10458"][color="#225db7"]Darrelle Revis[/color][/url]' contract [url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/15801/is-revis-controversy-helping-ravens"][color="#225db7"]holdout could also help[/color][/url] the [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravens"][color="#225db7"]Baltimore Ravens[/color][/url] in Week 1. The AFC East division will be a tough opponent throughout the year for the AFC North. But potentially missing a pair of Pro Bowlers early makes it a little easier. [url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/16390/logan-mankins-situation-may-help-bengals"]http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/16390/logan-mankins-situation-may-help-bengals[/url] [/quote] the mankins and revis situation will somehow magically be resolved once the season is about to unfold. it always happens that way, so i wouldn't put much stock in walker's premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredtoast Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Their O-line is taking some serious hits. they also just lost Nick Kazkur (starting RT for last 5 years) to a season ending injury. But at least they were able to find a young free agent with a lot of starting experience to help the O-line. Some fella named Ghiaciuc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrlnutz Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1282742933' post='909958'] no? [b]Why would you give up a first rounder for a guy who's already 28 and wants a new contract?[/b] Someone started a thread like this a week or so ago. I'd gladly give up a 3rd, but not too much more. And at this point the patriots will probably cave. They're linemen are dropping like flies. [/quote] Because he's arguably the best in the league at his position, which happens to be the weakest position on our team. Windows of opportunity close quickly in the NFL and I feel like this team has one open right now. Replacing Livings with an All-Pro LG could make a serious difference in this offense and if it brought us a superbowl for this season...I'd give em our whole 2011 draft. Different strokes for different folks I guess, like I said Mankins in 2010 is better than anyone we could draft at #32 in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 No to the trade and the contract. Its interior line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='scharm' timestamp='1282754457' post='910048'] No to the trade and the contract. Its interior line. [/quote] Yeah..uh..interior line is kind of important. It's the reason Jon Kitna played all but 2 offensive snaps in a playoff game for us. Building from the inside to the outside is so much more efficient than outside to the inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='Squirrlnutz' timestamp='1282753227' post='910045'] if it brought us a superbowl for this season...I'd give em our whole 2011 draft. [/quote] well you're not very smart then, and you're playing with "ifs" that neither you or the Bengals would be able to control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullichicken25 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='Squirrlnutz' timestamp='1282753227' post='910045'] Because he's arguably the best in the league at his position, which happens to be the weakest position on our team. Windows of opportunity close quickly in the NFL and I feel like this team has one open right now. Replacing Livings with an All-Pro LG could make a serious difference in this offense and if it brought us a superbowl for this season...I'd give em our whole 2011 draft. Different strokes for different folks I guess, like I said Mankins in 2010 is better than anyone we could draft at #32 in 2011. [/quote] agree completely this is the kind of year where you pull out all the stops in my opinion turning something that is almost unanimously considered our biggest weekness into a position of strength could be a big difference maker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='JC' timestamp='1282756472' post='910062'] Yeah..uh..interior line is kind of important. It's the reason Jon Kitna played all but 2 offensive snaps in a playoff game for us. Building from the inside to the outside is so much more efficient than outside to the inside. [/quote] Never said it wasn't important. I said no to the trade and what I think would be the contract. Quality interior o-line is plentiful and easier to obtain. Why drop 5-8 mil a year and a high pick when you can get adequate quality with a 2nd or 3rd rounder? By the way the guy that was blocking kimo eventually became a 6 mil a year guard. Not much you can do if the DE decides to play dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrlnutz Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1282757034' post='910064'] well you're not very smart then, and you're playing with "ifs" that neither you or the Bengals would be able to control. [/quote] Well I was really just musing out loud in my original post since I don't consider it a possibility that Mankins ends up anywhere but NE. Hopefully YOU don't think I actually believe that Mankins = Superbowl. Just voicing the idea that if I, as a fan, could enjoy a historic superbowl run this year and it only cost me the ramafications of not having a single draft pick in 2011...bring that shit on baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whodeyman Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='Squirrlnutz' timestamp='1282739132' post='909926'] I got a few minutes before "work" starts so....would anyone else give up a 1st rounder to trade for Mankins? Would upgrade the worst spot on our line with argueably the best LG in the league and is likely better than whoever we could get with the 32nd pick next year. I think I'd pursue it if I were in charge. [/quote] I would do a draft pick and player packaged together. It is not smart to give up your first and second round picks even if you are lousy at drafting. Not saying the Bengals are bad at drafting players. How about Odom and a 5th rounder for Mankins? or insert Geathers instead of Odom? I think you are going to have to give up a starter to get Mankins. He would be a significant upgrade at lg. Got to keep Carson upright this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='Whodeyman' timestamp='1282762709' post='910092'] I would do a draft pick and player packaged together. It is not smart to give up your first and second round picks even if you are lousy at drafting. Not saying the Bengals are bad at drafting players. How about Odom and a 5th rounder for Mankins? or insert Geathers instead of Odom? I think you are going to have to give up a starter to get Mankins. He would be a significant upgrade at lg. Got to keep Carson upright this year. [/quote] you know the Patriots run a 3-4 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='scharm' timestamp='1282758568' post='910071'] Never said it wasn't important. I said no to the trade and what I think would be the contract. Quality interior o-line is plentiful and easier to obtain. Why drop 5-8 mil a year and a high pick when you can get adequate quality with a 2nd or 3rd rounder? By the way the guy that was blocking kimo eventually became a 6 mil a year guard. Not much you can do if the DE decides to play dirty. [/quote] Obviously not that easy..or we wouldn't be having these interior line problems would we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='JC' timestamp='1282773840' post='910144'] Obviously not that easy..or we wouldn't be having these interior line problems would we? [/quote] We havent exactly invested much in the way of even mid round draft pics in it either (outside of luigis). The last high pick interior linemen we drafted was Whit and he was moved outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan850 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 i would trade our 1st and livings for a 3rd an mankins. that way we don't lose any picks and we get a 3rd thing instead of dropping 1st round money on an unknown but its no biggie if we dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1282775628' post='910151'] We havent exactly invested much in the way of even mid round draft pics in it either (outside of luigis). The last high pick interior linemen we drafted was Whit and he was moved outside. [/quote] If there is an abundance of adequate interior lineman out there to be had..where is it all going that we can't get any? Thing is, is that now the good interior line players are going in the first round, so you are going to have to invest big money and a first round pick to get good interior lineman. Iupati didn't even make it to us in the draft this year. Why would trading for Mankins be that big of a deal, other than he won't have a lot of years left in him? It won't happen, but it's not like it's some terrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='JC' timestamp='1282776319' post='910156'] If there is an abundance of adequate interior lineman out there to be had..where is it all going that we can't get any? Thing is, is that now the good interior line players are going in the first round, so you are going to have to invest big money and a first round pick to get good interior lineman. Iupati didn't even make it to us in the draft this year. Why would trading for Mankins be that big of a deal, other than he won't have a lot of years left in him? It won't happen, but it's not like it's some terrible idea. [/quote] I dont think its a terrible idea either, but I'd rather save the money for Joseph, Hall, and Ced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-GoBengals- Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='Squirrlnutz' timestamp='1282753227' post='910045'] Because he's arguably the best in the league at his position, which happens to be the weakest position on our team. Windows of opportunity close quickly in the NFL and I feel like this team has one open right now. Replacing Livings with an All-Pro LG could make a serious difference in this offense and if it brought us a superbowl for this season...I'd give em our whole 2011 draft. Different strokes for different folks I guess, like I said Mankins in 2010 is better than anyone we could draft at #32 in 2011. [/quote] too old to pay that much money... you can pick a top 6 OT and move whit back for less than that... and prob get a badass LG in the draft in the 2nd for 1/4th that pay.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalRep85-9 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1282775628' post='910151'] We havent exactly invested much in the way of even mid round draft pics in it either (outside of luigis). The last high pick interior linemen we drafted was Whit and he was moved outside. [/quote] Wasn't Whit a LT at LSU his entire career there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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