First round options

[Khatmandude]

I would pick up Logan Thomas QB V Tech,  if he is still available in the 6th round.  Dude is big, fast and strong.  He is RAW and needs work on his foot skills but I certainly think his raw athleticism is something to think about.

 

Now if we could get Jimmy Garoppols or Tajh Boyd in the 3rd, all bets are off.

 

BTW, I saw a mock having us pick up Roby in the second round with the 55th pick. That would be some feat.  Same site has up picking an OT in first round assuming Collins is history.

 

http://walterfootball.com/draft2014_2.php

 

Logan Thomas is very intriguing.  Everything you look for in a QB...except the execution of the QB position.  Something has to explain why he didn't perform better, more consistently at VT.   He played better his first year than any other it seems.   

 

Like Jimmy Garappolo, don't think Taj Boyd will be that good at all for some reason.   I wouldn't draft him.

[akiliMVP]

I need to watch Fuller

[texbengal]

Boyd in 3????
 
He's currently rated a 7th rounder by CBS Sports.  http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/QB
 
I know Walter has him a lot higher, but I'm not a fan.

I think Boyd has something, but he's a late round pick, most likely. Logan Thomas sure looks the part -size, arm, athleticism. Just hasn't put it together, except for a few games here and there. But I suspect around round 4, someone will take a shot. He's got a lot to work with.

[MichaelWeston]

 

 

Don't you just get this feeling, like in a lot of past years where we can see from a mile away who we are taking, and we aren't in love with the pick but it's pretty clear that's who it will be, that our guy will be Kyle Fuller?

I think its going to be Fuller. Safer CB. 

[Sox]

 

Logan Thomas is very intriguing.  Everything you look for in a QB...except the execution of the QB position.  Something has to explain why he didn't perform better, more consistently at VT.   He played better his first year than any other it seems.   

 

Like Jimmy Garappolo, don't think Taj Boyd will be that good at all for some reason.   I wouldn't draft him.

 

Me either.He reminds me a lot of Jamarcus Russell,but worse.

[HairOnFire]

 

Don't you just get this feeling, like in a lot of past years where we can see from a mile away who we are taking, and we aren't in love with the pick but it's pretty clear that's who it will be, that our guy will be Kyle Fuller?

 

 

Wouldn't rule it out, but no...I haven't gotten that feeling.

[|SF2|]

 

Boyd in 3????

 

He's currently rated a 7th rounder by CBS Sports.  http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/QB

 

I know Walter has him a lot higher, but I'm not a fan.

Boyd is all over the place on Mock drafts.  CBS Sports is marginal.  Good place for stats though.

 

I probably would wait for 6th round and take him or Thomas although I think the Kaepernick Wilson "new wave QB" fad will cause Thomas to go earlier.

[|SF2|]

 

Me either.He reminds me a lot of Jamarcus Russell,but worse.

LOL, I ain't talking about taking him with the first pick in the ENTIRE draft.

 

He is a project, flyer, dice roll (well, not even that in the 6th)

 

Hey, if anyone would have asked me about Jamarcus Russell during that draft I could have set them straight.  My cousin's buddy worked for LSU in the athletic department.  Russell was a lazy POS.

[MichaelWeston]

 

 

Wouldn't rule it out, but no...I haven't gotten that feeling.

I have 100%gotten that feeling and I think it's wierd that he expressed it. 

[Jason]

AT THIS POINT, Fuller would be a reach at 24, so no, I don't have that feeling at all.

[alleycat]

AT THIS POINT, Fuller would be a reach at 24, so no, I don't have that feeling at all.

 

Reach.

 

I won't dive into my yearly rant, but reach according to who? The draftniks who are invariably WAY off on too many guys to count each year?

 

If you can't find a trade down partner, then you take the guy that you most covet that you aren't willing to risk won't be there in the 32 more picks. 

[Jason]

 

Reach.

 

I won't dive into my yearly rant, but reach according to who? The draftniks who are invariably WAY off on too many guys to count each year?

 

If you can't find a trade down partner, then you take the guy that you most covet that you aren't willing to risk won't be there in the 32 more picks. 

 

Right now there is no other standard.  And things will change between now and May 8.  And re-drafts 2 or 3 years later often have significant differences.  Who would have taken Geno in the first round then?   Now?)  So there is no true 100% accurate standard before the draft.

 

But based on looking at several different ranking sources, IMO he is a reach at 24.

[snarkster]

These are some of the guys I'm looking at for need positions and where I'd start considering them.

 

DL/Edge Rusher
1st - Aaron Donald, Khalid Mack,
2nd - Chris Smith, Mike Smith
3rd thru 5th - Kareem Martin, Will Clarke, Dominique Easely, Justin Ellis, Trevor Reilly
6th or 7th - Brent Urban, Aaron Lynch

 

QB
1st & 2nd - none
3rd - Zach Mettenberger, Jimmy Garoppolo
4th thru 6th - Andy Murray, AJ McCarron, Connor Shaw, David Fales

 

RB
1st - None
2nd or 3rd - Carlos Hyde, Andre Williams, Lache Seastrunk
4th - Jeremy Hill
5th thru 7th - Charles Sims, Jerrick McKinnon, James Wilder, Antonio Andrews, Josey, Isaiah Crowell, Terrence West

 

S
1st - HaHa Clinton-Dix
2nd - Deone Bucannon, Calvin Pryor, Deon Bailey
3rd or 4th - Jimmie Ward, Amad Dixon, Terrance Brooks
5th thru 7th - Hakeem Smith, Alden Darby, Tre Boston

 

C
1st - none
2nd - Travis Swanson
3rd thru 5th - Bryan Stork, Tyler Larsen, Marcus Martin

 

Only if they are clearly BPA:

 

OL (0ther than C and past the 1st round) WR, TE, LB, Specialists

[alleycat]

 

Right now there is no other standard.  And things will change between now and May 8.  And re-drafts 2 or 3 years later often have significant differences.  Who would have taken Geno in the first round then?   Now?)  So there is no true 100% accurate standard before the draft.

 

But based on looking at several different ranking sources, IMO he is a reach at 24.

 

I'm just saying this: Is he a reach at 55? Because if we feel like he's the best remaining guy on our board at 24, we're going to have to hope everyone else has him rated below 55.  I'm not banging the drum for Kyle Fuller.  I'm just saying that any of those guys who will go before our 2nd round pick are game for our first, IMO, if we like his game. 

[spicoli]

the three guys I've been targeting most for our pick early on....Aaron Donald, Justin Gilbert, Darqueze Dennard...can pretty much be scratched off the list IMO.....no way any of them are getting out of the top 20.

 

so who does that leave realistically?

 

although nothing can be completely ruled out I guess, I really can't see them looking at WR, QB, OG or TE in this draft regardless of who might fall....so for me, I'd be targeting someone out of this group now...

 

Zack Martin OT

Ra'Shede Hageman DL

Timmy Jernigan DL

Ryan Shazier OLB

Dee Ford OLB

Calvin Pryor S 

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S

 

those are the guys that I think are sure-fire first rounders but might not necessarily be top 23 picks...Ford, Shazier and Pryor would be my top 3 out of the group, in that order, just because of the freakish speed and athleticism they bring to the table, on top of being really good football players 

 

with Gilbert and Dennard gone for us, there are a couple of corners I like but don't really like them at 24 ahead of any of the guys I listed above....a trade down would be the best scenario for me if they're gonna target a corner.....if they could pull that off...Lamarcus Joyner, Kyle Fuller, Bradley Roby, Jason Verrett....would be my guys, in that order. 

 

edit: I guess I'm not going to completely rule out Jimmy Garoppolo at 24....I just heard Bill Polian say that Garoppolo is a sure fire first round pick and there's always a chance Hue could see it as a chance to get HIS guy....not saying it's likely, but I can't rule it out either. 

[SocalBengalEd]

If Fuller runs a sub 4.5 then he is definitely 1st round talent. Only thing keeping him out is his questionable speed. So the 40 is going to be huge for him.

[spicoli]

If Fuller runs a sub 4.5 then he is definitely 1st round talent. Only thing keeping him out is his questionable speed. So the 40 is going to be huge for him.

 

I agree, but either way I think Joyner is the better football player....and I don't want Joyner at 24. 

[HairOnFire]

the three guys I've been targeting most for our pick early on....Aaron Donald, Justin Gilbert, Darqueze Dennard...can pretty much be scratched off the list IMO.....no way any of them are getting out of the top 20.

 

so who does that leave realistically?

 

although nothing can be completely ruled out I guess, I really can't see them looking at WR, QB, OG or TE in this draft regardless of who might fall....so for me, I'd be targeting someone out of this group now...

 

Zack Martin OT

Ra'Shede Hageman DL

Timmy Jernigan DL

Ryan Shazier OLB

Dee Ford OLB

Calvin Pryor S 

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S

 

those are the guys that I think are sure-fire first rounders but might not necessarily be top 23 picks...Ford, Shazier and Pryor would be my top 3 out of the group, in that order, just because of the freakish speed and athleticism they bring to the table, on top of being really good football players 

 

with Gilbert and Dennard gone for us, there are a couple of corners I like but don't really like them at 24 ahead of any of the guys I listed above....a trade down would be the best scenario for me if they're gonna target a corner.....if they could pull that off...Lamarcus Joyner, Kyle Fuller, Bradley Roby, Jason Verrett....would be my guys, in that order. 

 

edit: I guess I'm not going to completely rule out Jimmy Garoppolo at 24....I just heard Bill Polian say that Garoppolo is a sure fire first round pick and there's always a chance Hue could see it as a chance to get HIS guy....not saying it's likely, but I can't rule it out either. 

 

 

We're not in perfect lockstep but I agree with a buttload of the above...especially the line I bolded.

 

Again, I wouldn't rule out Fuller and I'm staying away from the reach rant. But I'm a 1st round BPA guy and locking in at CB in the 1st round makes sense to me only if the CB cupboard is nearly empty.

[alleycat]

the three guys I've been targeting most for our pick early on....Aaron Donald, Justin Gilbert, Darqueze Dennard...can pretty much be scratched off the list IMO.....no way any of them are getting out of the top 20.

 

Highly likely that Donald will be there.  Geno Atkins and what Seattle has done make that less likely, but he's still a 6ft 285 lb DT.

 

 

although nothing can be completely ruled out I guess, I really can't see them looking at WR, QB, OG or TE in this draft regardless of who might fall....so for me, I'd be targeting someone out of this group now...
 

 

I wouldn't rule out WR, or OG.  If a guy they think has pro-bowl potential is there, you take him all day.  Another top-flight talent at either of those positions takes it off the map to worry about for the next 5 years with the other guys we have around (assuming we lock up AJ; a devil might advocate taking another elite WR to ensure against the off-chance that we don't).

 

 

Zack Martin OT

Ra'Shede Hageman DL

Timmy Jernigan DL

Ryan Shazier OLB

Dee Ford OLB

Calvin Pryor S 

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S

 

those are the guys that I think are sure-fire first rounders but might not necessarily be top 23 picks...Ford, Shazier and Pryor would be my top 3 out of the group, in that order, just because of the freakish speed and athleticism they bring to the table, on top of being really good football players 

 

Of that list, the only ones I can get excited about are Jonathan Martin as a OG/OT option, and Calvin Pryor (I would be quite excited with him).  I need to watch more, but from what I've seen from the rest, I'm not too excited about what they bring.

 

 

those are the guys that I think are sure-fire first rounders but might not necessarily be top 23 picks...Ford, Shazier and Pryor would be my top 3 out of the group, in that order, just because of the freakish speed and athleticism they bring to the table, on top of being really good football players 

 

with Gilbert and Dennard gone for us, there are a couple of corners I like but don't really like them at 24 ahead of any of the guys I listed above....a trade down would be the best scenario for me if they're gonna target a corner.....if they could pull that off...Lamarcus Joyner, Kyle Fuller, Bradley Roby, Jason Verrett....would be my guys, in that order. 

 

I'd be thrilled with Pryor at 24. Shazier never had the wow factor for me. 

 

As for your last list, Lamarcus Joyner remains another big favorite of mine, and though 24 will be too "high" for him, he won't last to 56.

 

It's another BPA all day draft, I hope.  I also hope that guy is Aaron Donald. 

[snarkster]

Highly likely that Donald will be there.  Geno Atkins and what Seattle has done make that less likely, but he's still a 6ft 285 lb DT.
 
 
 
I wouldn't rule out WR, or OG.  If a guy they think has pro-bowl potential is there, you take him all day.  Another top-flight talent at either of those positions takes it off the map to worry about for the next 5 years with the other guys we have around (assuming we lock up AJ; a devil might advocate taking another elite WR to ensure against the off-chance that we don't).
 
 
 
Of that list, the only ones I can get excited about are Jonathan Martin as a OG/OT option, and Calvin Pryor (I would be quite excited with him).  I need to watch more, but from what I've seen from the rest, I'm not too excited about what they bring.
 
 
 
I'd be thrilled with Pryor at 24. Shazier never had the wow factor for me. 
 
As for your last list, Lamarcus Joyner remains another big favorite of mine, and though 24 will be too "high" for him, he won't last to 56.
 
It's another BPA all day draft, I hope.  I also hope that guy is Aaron Donald.

Joyner's just a playmaker. I think you could probably trade downthree or four spots and still get him. I'd want him as a slot corner and return man. if we got him though I'd also want an outside man at CB - either in free agency or later in the draft

[spicoli]

 

Highly likely that Donald will be there.  Geno Atkins and what Seattle has done make that less likely, but he's still a 6ft 285 lb DT.

 

 

 

I said top 20, but I'll be highly surprised if he makes it to 15....it's not just Geno and the Seattle defense that helps his cause, it's the fact that he's the most consistently dominant defensive player in this draft....what he did today just enhanced that. 

[MichaelWeston]

 

I said top 20, but I'll be highly surprised if he makes it to 15....it's not just Geno and the Seattle defense that helps his cause, it's the fact that he's the most consistently dominant defensive player in this draft....his ridiculous measurables today just enhanced that. 

Didnt watch...what did he do?

[Le Tigre]

Aaron Donald or gtfo.

[spicoli]

Didnt watch...what did he do?

 

4.68 

35 reps

7.11 three-cone

 

6'1 285

[alleycat]

 

I said top 20, but I'll be highly surprised if he makes it to 15....it's not just Geno and the Seattle defense that helps his cause, it's the fact that he's the most consistently dominant defensive player in this draft....what he did today just enhanced that. 

Well, watching Cordarelle Patterson's tape last year made me think that anyone who knows the first little thing about the game recognizes once-in-a-decade open field running talent, and yet he slid well into the 20's.  I realize he had some "knocks" on him, but that's my whole point.  Donald has one of the most serious knocks a DT can have: size (he also has the less serious knock of playing at a lesser school, versus say, an SEC guy).

 

And if you hear the pundits talking, they are still trying to reconcile that, with many of them now saying post combine that he "may have worked his way into the first round." Just today the football guys on NFL network were saying that you see him too often get washed away after the first move, etc.

 

I would THINK that I'd be wrong about this, but history has shown too often that the NFL repeatedly over-penalizes players for being under-sized, while over-valuing them for having the ideal measurables.  That said, there are still head scratchers every year. JJ Watt was an absolute freak at the combine, and had AMAZING tape, and yet still fell all the way to 11th.  IMO, the biggest argument FOR Donald going early is that there aren't enough QB's and CBs with high first round talent to crowd out the round (I'm hoping the WR's and other DL help make up for this).

 

Does it sound like I'm trying to talk myself into anything here?