fredtoast Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 7 hours ago, snarkster said: If there is a QB you really like available at the fifth pick (and no suitable OL worth picking there), would you consider taking him and dealing Dalton for an LT, then letting the first rounder compete with McWebb for the starting spot? You have to add a viable LT before mini camps start. If there's not a LT in the Draft, maybe that's an option. No way. Dalton is not the problem and a hole at QB is a lot harder to fill than a hole at LT. That is why QBs are paid so much more than LTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 I think I would definitely go with Nelson if he is there with our early first pick. I'm reading he's probably the safest pick. Compared to Logan Mankins by one scout. Who knows he may even be able to convert to center. Maybe too tall for center? Idk how much height matters. By convert, I mean after a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdrdoom Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 So refreshing. Isn't it awesome sitting here in mid-November discussing whether we'd rather have Minkah Fitzpatrick, Lamar Jackson, or Quenton Nelson instead of something dumb like what our playoff implications will be once we beat the Broncos this weekend? THE BENGALS ARE BACK BAYBAAYYY!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Lol. Is Fitzpatrick definitely coming out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, schotzee said: Lol. Is Fitzpatrick definitely coming out? if he is going to be a top 10 pick.. I would say for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdrdoom Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 41 minutes ago, schotzee said: Lol. Is Fitzpatrick definitely coming out? I'd imagine so. I don't know why I even think about a pick like that though, we'll just end up taking an injured WR or CB anyway. Last offseason at one point I said I'd be OK with basically any projected 1st rounder at #9 not named John Ross and look what happened, maybe I should spend the next few months talking about how terrible Minkah Fitzpatrick will translate to the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 14 hours ago, omgdrdoom said: So refreshing. Isn't it awesome sitting here in mid-November discussing whether we'd rather have Minkah Fitzpatrick, Lamar Jackson, or Quenton Nelson instead of something dumb like what our playoff implications will be once we beat the Broncos this weekend? THE BENGALS ARE BACK BAYBAAYYY!!!!!!!!!! Let's not get carried away, we still have to win a couple of garbage games at the end of the season to drive us down to around pick 11-13. Then lose to Baltimore's 2nd string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdrdoom Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 8 hours ago, T-Dub said: Let's not get carried away, we still have to win a couple of garbage games at the end of the season to drive us down to around pick 11-13. Then lose to Baltimore's 2nd string. That's true I forgot about that part. Honestly, I'm not really rooting for more wins at this point, I'd rather have the higher draft picks. The team might actually be forced to pick a once a decade type of prospect like Fitzpatrick if we end up in the top 5. I'm afraid of another TE or something if we drop to the mid round. Maybe we'll get lucky and draft another injured CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|schotzee| Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 50 minutes ago, omgdrdoom said: That's true I forgot about that part. Honestly, I'm not really rooting for more wins at this point, I'd rather have the higher draft picks. The team might actually be forced to pick a once a decade type of prospect like Fitzpatrick if we end up in the top 5. I'm afraid of another TE or something if we drop to the mid round. Maybe we'll get lucky and draft another injured CB. Yep. I'm down with losing out at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostInDaJungle Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 On 11/13/2017 at 11:06 AM, MichaelWeston said: I imagine the ol talent moves up due to widespread need around the league. Or moves down because so many OL have been busts coming out of spread systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 On 11/16/2017 at 12:20 AM, snarkster said: If there is a QB you really like available at the fifth pick (and no suitable OL worth picking there), would you consider taking him and dealing Dalton for an LT, then letting the first rounder compete with McWebb for the starting spot? You have to add a viable LT before mini camps start. If there's not a LT in the Draft, maybe that's an option. There isn't a QB in the league that would perform well behind this offensive offensive line. It isn't hard to gameplan against a team that CAN'T run the ball and isn't very good at pass blocking. Given these facts Dalton did pretty well last weekend against the Titans. 20-35-265-2TDs-0 Ints. The fumbled sucked but that is very rare for him. Rating of 100 for that game on the road. How did Dak Prescott do without Elliot running the ball and Left Tackle Tyron Smith out last week? They scored 7 points. Dalton doesn't have that much talent around him at all. Eifert is out. Tyler Boyd (54 catches as a rookie) is out. Ross can't get on the field. Without those players, 31 year old LaFell is easier to cover so that leaves us AJ Green as his only legitimate weapon in truth. It is so bad, AJ is playing more and more slot receiver just so we can get the ball in his hands. Teams are dropping back into coverage because we cant run the ball so there is NO space for AJ downfield. Andy Dalton isn't even close to a major concern with this current team. If Dalton was on the Jaguars, they would be a legitimate Superbowl contender. If we end up in a spot where we can choose one of the top tier QBs, teams will come running desperate to swap picks. The following teams DESPERATELY need a QB: Arizona, Chicago, Cleveland, Buffalo?(guess we will find out what Peterman can do), Denver, Jacksonville, NY Jets. Possible need at San Fran. You also have the Chargers?, Saints, Giants, Pittspuke? and Patriots with old or older dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 3 hours ago, LostInDaJungle said: Or moves down because so many OL have been busts coming out of spread systems. My concern as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishBengalFan Posted November 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Bengals 20, Broncos 17 Bengals fall from #5 to #8 in the 2018 draft: 2018 Draft Order (through 11/20/2017) 1: CLE (0-10) 0.000 2: SFF (1-9) 0.100 3: NYG (2-8) 0.200 4: DEN (3-7) 0.300 SoS=0.475 5: IND (3-7) 0.300 SoS=0.484 6: CHI (3-7) 0.300 SoS=0.560 7: LAC (4-6) 0.400 SoS=0.4638: CIN (4-6) 0.400 SoS=0.475 (-3 spots) 9: OAK (4-6) 0.400 SoS=0.488 10: ARI (4-6) 0.400 SoS=0.49411: CLE (from HOU (4-6) 0.400 0.SoS=509) (-3 spots) 12: NYJ (4-6) 0.400 SoS=0.516 13: WAS (4-6) 0.400 SoS=0.522 14: MIA (4-6) 0.400 SoS=0.541 15: TBB (4-6) 0.400 SoS=0.563 16: DAL (5-5) 0.500 SoS=0.475 17: BUF (5-5) 0.500 SoS=0.503 18: GBP (5-5) 0.500 SoS=0.544 19: ATL (5-4) 0.556 SoS=0.579 20: DET (6-4) 0.600 Currently In Playoffs:21: w-BAL (5-5) 0.500 (-9 spots) 22: w-TEN (6-4) 0.600 SoS=0.447 23: BUF (from d-KCC (6-4) 0.600 SoS=0.469) 24: w-SEA (6-3) 0.667 25: d-JAX (7-3) 0.700 SoS=0.434 26: d-LAR (7-3) 0.700 SoS=0.494 27: w-CAR (7-3) 0.700 SoS=0.55128: d-PIT (8-2) 0.800 SoS=0.463 (-1 spot) 29: d-NEP (8-2) 0.800 SoS=0.497 30: d-MIN (8-2) 0.800 SoS=0.503 31: d-NOS (8-2) 0.800 SoS=0.544 32: d-PHI (9-1) 0.900 w-Wild Card Team d-Division Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishBengalFan Posted November 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Bengals 30, Current Browns 16 Bengals drop to #12 in the draft order: 2018 Draft Order (through 11/27/2017) 1: CLE (0-11) 0.000 2: SFF (1-10) 0.091 3: NYG (2-9) 0.182 4: DEN (3-8) 0.273 SoS=0.483 5: IND (3-8) 0.273 SoS=0.491 6: CHI (3-8) 0.273 SoS=0.554 7: NYJ (4-7) 0.364 SoS=0.517 8: MIA (4-7) 0.364 SoS=0.549 9: TBB (4-7) 0.364 SoS=0.56310: CLE (from HOU (4-6) 0.400) (+1 spot) 11: LAC (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.45512: CIN (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.468 (-4 spots) 13: ARI (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.486 TIE OAK (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.486 15: DAL (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.489 16: WAS (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.517 17: GBP (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.53718: BAL (5-5) 0.500 (+3 spots) 19: DET (6-5) 0.545 SoS=0.497 20: SEA (7-4) 0.636 SoS=0.474 Currently In Playoffs: 21: d-KCC (6-5) 0.545 SoS=0.480 22: w-BUF (6-5) 0.545 SoS=0.500 23: w-JAX (7-4) 0.636 SoS=0.445 24: d-TEN (7-4) 0.636 SoS=0.445 25: w-ATL (7-4) 0.636 SoS=0.557 26: d-LAR (8-3) 0.727 SoS=0.491 27: w-CAR (8-3) 0.727 SoS=0.540 28: d-NOS (8-3) 0.727 SoS=0.55129: d-PIT (9-2) 0.818 SoS=0.457 (-1 spot) 30: d-MIN (9-2) 0.818 SoS=0.497 TIE d-NEP (9-2) 0.818 SoS=0.497 32: d-PHI (10-1) 0.909 Notes: 13/ARI-OAK and 30/MIN-NEP would require a coinflip 23/JAX selects ahead of 24/TEN on division tiebreakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishBengalFan Posted November 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 The Bengals win officially ended the Browns season. They were mathematically alive for the playoffs (but only) until we eliminated them yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 On 11/16/2017 at 8:19 AM, omgdrdoom said: So refreshing. Isn't it awesome sitting here in mid-November discussing whether we'd rather have Minkah Fitzpatrick, Lamar Jackson, or Quenton Nelson instead of something dumb like what our playoff implications will be once we beat the Broncos this weekend? THE BENGALS ARE BACK BAYBAAYYY!!!!!!!!!! 5-6 in the playoff hunt, time to shoulder the draft talk!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishBengalFan Posted November 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Updating for MNF: Ravens beat Texans, Bengals remain at #12 2018 Draft Order (through 11/28/2017): 1: CLE (0-11) 0.000 2: SFF (1-10) 0.091 3: NYG (2-9) 0.182 4: DEN (3-8) 0.273 SoS=0.483 5: IND (3-8) 0.273 SoS=0.489 6: CHI (3-8) 0.273 SoS=0.557 7: CLE (from HOU (4-7) 0.364 SoS=0.511) (+3 spots) 8: NYJ (4-7) 0.364 SoS=0.517 9: MIA (4-7) 0.364 SoS=0.551 10: TBB (4-7) 0.364 SoS=0.563 11: LAC (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.455 12: CIN (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.472 13: ARI (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.483 14: OAK (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.489 TIE DAL (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.489 16: WAS (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.517 17: GBP (5-6) 0.455 SoS=0.540 18: BUF (6-5) 0.545 SoS=0.500 TIE DET (6-5) 0.545 SoS=0.500 20: SEA (7-4) 0.636 Currently In Playoffs: 21: w-BAL (6-5) 0.545 SoS=0.460 (-3 spots)[ 22: BUF (from d-KCC (6-5) 0.545 SoS=0.477) 23: w-JAX (7-4) 0.636 SoS=0.443 24: d-TEN (7-4) 0.636 SoS=0.443 25: w-ATL (7-4) 0.636 SoS=0.557 26: d-LAR (8-3) 0.727 SoS=0.489 27: w-CAR (8-3) 0.727 SoS=0.540 28: d-NOS (8-3) 0.727 SoS=0.551 29: d-PIT (9-2) 0.818 SoS=0.460 30: d-NEP (9-2) 0.818 SoS=0.494 31: d-MIN (9-2) 0.818 SoS=0.500 32: d-PHI (10-1) 0.909 Notes: 14/OAK-DAL and 18/BUF-DET would require a coinflip 23/JAX selects ahead of 24/TEN on division tiebreakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpoore Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Derwin James needs to be the pick if he slides a tad!!! Also Mason Rudolph looking like Russell Wilson and Aston Rodgers had a baby.. but if we win Monday night everything is ours for the taking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted December 2, 2017 Report Share Posted December 2, 2017 Gotta say it ... When I look at the draft order Amish posted above I see another year of Marvin, a second tier draft pick that will be meh at best. Then I look at the Browns. They fire Hue, hire Vance Joseph, get McCarron as a free agent, trade down out of the first draft slot for a slightly lower first and an extra high pick (2nd?) having something like 7 picks in the first two rounds to really load up and add to Garrett and Gordon (if he can stay off the dope) and a couple others and become more of a threat. While the Bengals remain the same Marvengals with Mediocre Marv at the helm. You don't improve by staying the same. You just get older. The Bengals are mired in the mud of mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omgdrdoom Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 On 12/2/2017 at 1:38 PM, High School Harry said: Gotta say it ... When I look at the draft order Amish posted above I see another year of Marvin, a second tier draft pick that will be meh at best. Then I look at the Browns. They fire Hue, hire Vance Joseph, get McCarron as a free agent, trade down out of the first draft slot for a slightly lower first and an extra high pick (2nd?) having something like 7 picks in the first two rounds to really load up and add to Garrett and Gordon (if he can stay off the dope) and a couple others and become more of a threat. While the Bengals remain the same Marvengals with Mediocre Marv at the helm. You don't improve by staying the same. You just get older. The Bengals are mired in the mud of mediocrity. Man, I used to think that way every year. "Look at the Browns, all of those draft picks, free agents, coaching moves, etc. are decent moves and going to get them somewhere." Then they always end up being the Browns. It's tough for me to assume they're going to draft good players and have the free agent acquisitions work out for them nowadays. Like the Bengals in certain areas, the Browns have to prove to me that they're going to finally turn the corner before I start looking at them positively again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishBengalFan Posted December 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Updating for MNF Loss to the Terrible Smell. Bengals climb from #12 to #9 with the loss. 2018 Draft Order (through 12/7/2017):1: CLE (0-12) (no change) 2: NYG (2-10) SoS=0.505 3: SFF (2-10) SoS=0.526 4: DEN (3-9) SoS=0.484 5: IND (3-9) SoS=0.495 6: CHI (3-9) SoS=0.5527: CLE (from HOU (4-8) SoS=0.521) (no change) 8: TBB (4-8) SoS=0.5529: CIN (5-7) SoS=0.474 (+3 spots) 10: ARI (5-7) SoS=0.490 11: NYJ (5-7) SoS=0.516 12: WAS (5-7) SoS=0.521 13: MIA (5-7) SoS=0.552 14: LAC (6-6) SoS=0.453 15: DAL (6-6) SoS=0.479 16: OAK (6-6) SoS=0.490 17: DET (6-6) SoS=0.495 18: BUF (6-6) SoS=0.505 19: GBP (6-6) SoS=0.531 20: ATL (7-5) Currently In Playoffs: 21: BUF (from d-KCC (6-6))22: w-BAL (7-5) (-1 spot) 23: w-JAX (8-4) SoS=0.453 24: d-TEN (8-4) SoS=0.453 25: w-SEA (8-4) SoS=0.474 26: w-CAR (8-4) SoS=0.536 27: d-LAR (9-3) SoS=0.495 28: d-NOS (9-3) SoS=0.536 29: d-PHI (10-2) SoS=0.42730: d-PIT (10-2) SoS=0.458 (-1 spot) 31: d-MIN (10-2) SoS=0.490 32: d-NEP (10-2) SoS=0.495 Notes: d- = division leader w- = wildcard 23/JAX selects ahead of 24/TEN on division tiebreakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 I think we do good in the draft if take one of the top 2 tackles. I honestly think our RT position is worse then our LT position. I'd take whoever translates to being the next Willie Anderson and keep our fingers crossed CEDO can develop more and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 I’d take the LB. Pair him with Burfict and all of a sudden you have a defense that is above average at all 3 levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madieu Superstar Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 On 12/2/2017 at 1:38 PM, High School Harry said: Gotta say it ... When I look at the draft order Amish posted above I see another year of Marvin, a second tier draft pick that will be meh at best. Then I look at the Browns. They fire Hue, hire Vance Joseph, get McCarron as a free agent, trade down out of the first draft slot for a slightly lower first and an extra high pick (2nd?) having something like 7 picks in the first two rounds to really load up and add to Garrett and Gordon (if he can stay off the dope) and a couple others and become more of a threat. While the Bengals remain the same Marvengals with Mediocre Marv at the helm. You don't improve by staying the same. You just get older. The Bengals are mired in the mud of mediocrity. Lol hiring Vance Joseph makes you fear the Browns? Hell, I’m just hoping he’s not the Bengals coach next year. I expect that he will be, but it’s vomit-inducing. He’s been horrendous this season. That team is out coached every single week. Hes is a perfect Mike Brown hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishBengalFan Posted December 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Updated through Week 15 (change is from last update): Draft Order as of 12/21/2017: 1: CLE (0-14) (no change) 2: NYG (2-12) 3: IND (3-11) 4: CLE (from HOU (4-10) SoS=0.504) (+3 spots) 5: SFF (4-10) SoS=0.513 6: CHI (4-10) SoS=0.558 7: TBB (4-10) SoS=0.563 8: CIN (5-9) SoS=0.473 (+1 spot) 9: DEN (5-9) SoS=0.482 10: NYJ (5-9) SoS=0.531 11: ARI (6-8) SoS=0.487 12: OAK (6-8) SoS=0.509 13: WAS (6-8) SoS=0.531 14: MIA (6-8) SoS=0.549 15: LAC (7-7) SoS=0.473 16: GBP (7-7) SoS=0.531 17: BAL (8-6) SoS=0.442 (+5 spots) 18: DET (8-6) SoS=0.487 19: SEA (8-6) SoS=0.487 20: DAL (8-6) SoS=0.491 Currently In Playoffs: 21: w-TEN (8-6) SoS=0.438 22: BUF (from d-KCC (8-6) SoS=0.487) 23: w-BUF (8-6) SoS=0.496 24: w-ATL (9-5) 25: d-JAX (10-4) SOS=0.420 26: d-LAR (10-4) SOS=0.491 27: w-CAR (10-4) SOS=0.545 28: d-NOS (10-4) SoS=0.545 29: d-PIT (11-3) SOS=0.445 (+1 spot) 30: d-MIN (11-3) SoS=0.496 31: d-NEP (11-3) SoS=0.500 32: d-PHI (12-2) Notes: d=division leader w=wildcard team 18/19: SEA picks ahead of DET on conference tiebreakers 27/28: CAR picks ahead of NOS on division tiebreakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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