|High School Harry| Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 On 3/11/2023 at 1:47 PM, sparky151 said: This is a good TE draft. Bengals should at least re-sign Hurst. We can and should upgrade from Sample and Wilcox. In the mock offseason, We re-signed Hurst for about 8 mil per, later added Robert Tonyan for about 4.5 and later added Mycole Pruitt as the blocker for about 2 mil. We also ended up re-signing Sample and Wilcox to take to camp for minimum salaries. There were lots of vet TEs available who were cheap and upgrades from Sample and Wilcox before getting to the rookie class. I like Sample but think our best thing might be to let him walk and hopefully getting a comp pick next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 Players have to sign for a significant price to earn a comp pick. There's a limit of 32 comp picks per year (for losing players). Sample won't be signing one of the top 32 or so contracts in the league this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted March 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 If Hurst goes. I would pay Jordan Akins to be the starter and pair him with a Rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, spicoli said: Wonder what the numbers were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just now, Jamie_B said: Wonder what the numbers were. Don’t know but there’s no way the Bengals were giving him a 3 year deal. Nor should they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 minute ago, spicoli said: Don’t know but there’s no way the Bengals were giving him a 3 year deal. Nor should they have. What is Hurst 27? I'd be on the fence about 3 years for him depending on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, spicoli said: Don’t know but there’s no way the Bengals were giving him a 3 year deal. Nor should they have. Why not? They would only have guaranteed the first year anyway. But of course that is why Hurst's agent would have declined it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted March 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: What is Hurst 27? I'd be on the fence about 3 years for him depending on the money. He will be 30 this year. Played baseball first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just now, MichaelWeston said: He will be 30 this year. Played baseball first. Oh yeah no chance we should give him 3 years at that age. Good for him for getting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 I would look to Mike Gesicki to give him a deal like Hurst got with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 15 minutes ago, dex said: Why not? He’ll be 33 at the end of the deal. That’s just not the Bengals mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavePityPlease Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 35 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: I would look to Mike Gesicki to give him a deal like Hurst got with us. Gesicki has been one of the worst blocking TEs in the league. Last year the Dolphins tried to make him into one, I'm not sure how that turned out but I'd be pretty nervous if they brought that guy in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, HavePityPlease said: Gesicki has been one of the worst blocking TEs in the league. Last year the Dolphins tried to make him into one, I'm not sure how that turned out but I'd be pretty nervous if they brought that guy in. Hurst wasn't exactly a great blocker either. I'd be looking at Gesicki to fill a 1 year roll as a pass catcher while still looking at the draft, but I was on board for drafting a TE if we kept Hurst too. I'm thinking that getting a vet in that spot will not force us to have to take one early unless the value is there. But this is a deep TE class and we should be able to find a guy I'm guessing in the first 3 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 I'd also feel out a potential 1 year prove-it deal for Drew Sample to come back and block again. He is coming off an injury and should be pretty cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HavePityPlease Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Hurst wasn't exactly a great blocker either. I'd be looking at Gesicki to fill a 1 year roll as a pass catcher while still looking at the draft, but I was on board for drafting a TE if we kept Hurst too. I'm thinking that getting a vet in that spot will not force us to have to take one early unless the value is there. But this is a deep TE class and we should be able to find a guy I'm guessing in the first 3 rounds. Well I didn't say 'not great" I said WORST. The only reason Gesicki climbed the charts (on PFF anyway) this season was because again, the Dolphins tried to squeeze it out of him. From the interviews I read it sounded like he wasn't too happy with it. I totally agree he's a great pass catcher, maybe in the top tier, but unfortunately we don't have the luxury of having unwilling blockers on our line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothD Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Loved Hurst attitude and physical toughness. However, this is the best TE class in recent memory. The Bengals will probably grab a decent one in the 3rd round. If I'm not mistaken, Hurst is from the Carolinas, so he will be closer to home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavePityPlease Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: I hope this is at least partially true, but I'm in a "I'll believe it when I see it" stance on this at the moment. Hurst also said he wanted to stay here and that didn't pan out so, what are prospective FA's supposed to think about that? Do we want guys to come in here "just" for a salary bump elsewhere? That's a shitty way to run a team IMO. It also smells like old-school Mikey "Redemption Station" behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just now, HavePityPlease said: I hope this is at least partially true, but I'm in a "I'll believe it when I see it" stance on this at the moment. Hurst also said he wanted to stay here and that didn't pan out so, what are prospective FA's supposed to think about that? Do we want guys to come in here "just" for a salary bump elsewhere? That's a shitty way to run a team IMO. It also smells like old-school Mikey "Redemption Station" behaviour. That's how the Eagles made the Superbowl last year, they had a number of 1-year deal guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 I’m pretty sure that they’ve known all along that they were going to be drafting a TE early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, spicoli said: I’m pretty sure that they’ve known all along that they were going to be drafting a TE early. They tried to draft one last year, but the value wasn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HavePityPlease Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: That's how the Eagles made the Superbowl last year, they had a number of 1-year deal guys. Hey if we can sign a safety who has never done anything for $2M for one year and he has a Pro Bowl season, I'm all for it. Other than that I think you're going out on a limb here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 minute ago, HavePityPlease said: Hey if we can sign a safety who has never done anything for $2M for one year and he has a Pro Bowl season, I'm all for it. Other than that I think you're going out on a limb here. Or a DT that still plays at a pretty high end level and already has a ring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted March 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 I was sure Hurst was coming back so I didn't really expect to need to look at this top group. 1 of these guys MUST be signed because we can't rely on the draft for a starter. Starters 4 Hooper-Titans 29 68.8 74.6 24.2 46.7 525 2/59 41-444-2 Schultz-Cowboys 27 68.3 67.8 51.1 65.9 938 15/51 57-577-5 7 Moreau-Raiders 26 61.1 69.7 72 40.8 745 14/34 33-420-2 Gesicki-Dolphins 28 60.5 62.2 54.9 42.3 505 1/31 32-362-5 Tonyan-Pacs 29 57.7 60.5 35.3 46.3 591 3/18 53-470-2 Possible Starters 2 Akins-Texans 31 72.4 74.3 61.3 51.6 406 3/26 37-495-5 Walters-2017 Smith-Vikings 25 56.4 56.4 44.4 56.2 289 1/15 25-182-2 2 Howard-Texans 28 56.2 62.6 47.5 49.4 310 10/56 10-145-2 CC Brate-Bucs 32 53.2 54.4 79.1 51.1 374 1/33 20-174-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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