MichaelWeston Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Some thoughts 1. I dont think there is anyway Hurst leaves. With what he has been through with his mental health and his noted lack of a fit in Baltimore and Atlanta I think money won't matter much to him. 2. I think Sample is close with a lot of the key guys on the team and the management obviously loves him. I bet hes back cheap 3. I think Wilcox fits exactly what they want depth at the position. Special teamer who can fill in. 4. I think they want to fill out the roster with a draft pick with upside to eventually start. 5. I don't think it's wise team building to take a TE in the first round. TE Age Overall Receiving Pass Block Run Block Snaps Starts 2022/Career stats Notes Hurst-Bengals 30 64.5 66 41 58.7 675 13/31 52-414-2 Hudson-Bengals 29 60.1 59.8 30 60.9 258 0/1 10-132-0 Future Wilcox-Bengals 26 55.7 52 72.1 60.1 566 4/5 17-139-1 Sample-Bengals 27 52.3 53.9 56.4 54 39 2/25 2-2-0.0 Asiasi-Bengals 26 45.9 41.8 58.6 53.7 200 0/3 2-5-0.0 2026 Bowers-Bengals 26 Future Starters 4 Hooper-Titans 29 68.8 74.6 24.2 46.7 525 2/59 41-444-2 Schultz-Cowboys 27 68.3 67.8 51.1 65.9 938 15/51 57-577-5 3 Engram-Jaguars 29 67.6 68.3 59.4 60.1 996 14/65 73-766-4 2 Johnson-Saints 27 64.7 66.5 65.5 54.1 647 12/18 42-508-7 restricted 7 Moreau-Raiders 26 61.1 69.7 72 40.8 745 14/34 33-420-2 Gesicki-Dolphins 28 60.5 62.2 54.9 42.3 505 1/31 32-362-5 Tonyan-Pacs 29 57.7 60.5 35.3 46.3 591 3/18 53-470-2 Possible Starters 2 Akins-Texans 31 72.4 74.3 61.3 51.6 406 3/26 37-495-5 Walters-2017 Oliver-Ravens 26 72.3 63.1 71.9 74 561 9/11 14-149-2 Smith-Vikings 25 56.4 56.4 44.4 56.2 289 1/15 25-182-2 2 Howard-Texans 28 56.2 62.6 47.5 49.4 310 10/56 10-145-2 Rotational Guys 8 Pruitt-Falcons 31 75.9 80.9 75.8 62.2 321 4/31 16-150-4 Dwelley-49ers 28 60.3 62.9 53.5 52.8 101 0/17 3-105-1 3 Arnold-Jaguars 28 60.1 66.5 27.7 54.9 169 0/11 9-135-0 Shaheen-Dolphins 29 59.3 53.9 63.8 64.9 162 7/25 12-110-0 2021 Blocker Kroft-49ers 31 64.9 52.5 46.2 72.7 256 4/52 4-57-0 Bell-Chiefs 32 60.7 61.7 69.3 57.7 40 1/27 2-20-0.0 4 Swaim-Titans 30 58.5 48.5 58.2 62 578 13/57 12-58-1 Tomlinson-Broncos 31 58.2 54.3 58.6 61.5 407 12/53 9-79-2 3 Williams-Cardinals 29 56.6 49.6 56.6 63.1 169 1/45 3-18-0.0 3 Manhertz-Jaguars 31 56.4 38.9 80.5 63 449 11/49 6-42-0 Gentry-Stealers 27 47.5 48 53.6 48.7 577 13/17 19-132-0 No idea Sweeney-Bills 26 56.3 56.9 21.4 61.1 68 0/4 1-7-0.0 1 Rudolph-Bucs 34 40 49.7 67.6 44.6 79 0/145 3-28-0.0 3 Anderson-Cardinals 30 33.9 30 19.6 55.5 134 0/12 3-9-0.0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, MichaelWeston said: Some thoughts 1. I dont think there is anyway Hurst leaves. With what he has been through with his mental health and his noted lack of a fit in Baltimore and Atlanta I think money won't matter much to him. 2. I think Sample is close with a lot of the key guys on the team and the management obviously loves him. I bet hes back cheap 3. I think Wilcox fits exactly what they want depth at the position. Special teamer who can fill in. 4. I think they want to fill out the roster with a draft pick with upside to eventually start. 5. I don't think it's wise team building to take a TE in the first round. TE Age Overall Receiving Pass Block Run Block Snaps Starts 2022/Career stats Notes Hurst-Bengals 30 64.5 66 41 58.7 675 13/31 52-414-2 Hudson-Bengals 29 60.1 59.8 30 60.9 258 0/1 10-132-0 Future Wilcox-Bengals 26 55.7 52 72.1 60.1 566 4/5 17-139-1 Sample-Bengals 27 52.3 53.9 56.4 54 39 2/25 2-2-0.0 Asiasi-Bengals 26 45.9 41.8 58.6 53.7 200 0/3 2-5-0.0 2026 Bowers-Bengals 26 Future Starters 4 Hooper-Titans 29 68.8 74.6 24.2 46.7 525 2/59 41-444-2 Schultz-Cowboys 27 68.3 67.8 51.1 65.9 938 15/51 57-577-5 3 Engram-Jaguars 29 67.6 68.3 59.4 60.1 996 14/65 73-766-4 2 Johnson-Saints 27 64.7 66.5 65.5 54.1 647 12/18 42-508-7 restricted 7 Moreau-Raiders 26 61.1 69.7 72 40.8 745 14/34 33-420-2 Gesicki-Dolphins 28 60.5 62.2 54.9 42.3 505 1/31 32-362-5 Tonyan-Pacs 29 57.7 60.5 35.3 46.3 591 3/18 53-470-2 Possible Starters 2 Akins-Texans 31 72.4 74.3 61.3 51.6 406 3/26 37-495-5 Walters-2017 Oliver-Ravens 26 72.3 63.1 71.9 74 561 9/11 14-149-2 Smith-Vikings 25 56.4 56.4 44.4 56.2 289 1/15 25-182-2 2 Howard-Texans 28 56.2 62.6 47.5 49.4 310 10/56 10-145-2 Rotational Guys 8 Pruitt-Falcons 31 75.9 80.9 75.8 62.2 321 4/31 16-150-4 Dwelley-49ers 28 60.3 62.9 53.5 52.8 101 0/17 3-105-1 3 Arnold-Jaguars 28 60.1 66.5 27.7 54.9 169 0/11 9-135-0 Shaheen-Dolphins 29 59.3 53.9 63.8 64.9 162 7/25 12-110-0 2021 Blocker Kroft-49ers 31 64.9 52.5 46.2 72.7 256 4/52 4-57-0 Bell-Chiefs 32 60.7 61.7 69.3 57.7 40 1/27 2-20-0.0 4 Swaim-Titans 30 58.5 48.5 58.2 62 578 13/57 12-58-1 Tomlinson-Broncos 31 58.2 54.3 58.6 61.5 407 12/53 9-79-2 3 Williams-Cardinals 29 56.6 49.6 56.6 63.1 169 1/45 3-18-0.0 3 Manhertz-Jaguars 31 56.4 38.9 80.5 63 449 11/49 6-42-0 Gentry-Stealers 27 47.5 48 53.6 48.7 577 13/17 19-132-0 No idea Sweeney-Bills 26 56.3 56.9 21.4 61.1 68 0/4 1-7-0.0 1 Rudolph-Bucs 34 40 49.7 67.6 44.6 79 0/145 3-28-0.0 3 Anderson-Cardinals 30 33.9 30 19.6 55.5 134 0/12 3-9-0.0 Good points but I might argue if Michael Mayer is on the board its a probibilty they draft him.. He has all the tools so be a well rounded TE they need for the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 Just now, claptonrocks said: Good points but I might argue if Michael Meyers is on the board its a probability they draft him.. He has all the tools so be a well rounded TE they need for the future. I am seeing a lot of that. I just think financially its a really bad play 1-We want a first rounder who plays right away because of how we will have to pay Burrow-Higgins 2-The difference between a Free Agent TE and a Draft Pick TE financially isn't that different whereas the different between a Free Agent CB/LT and a Draft pick will likely be pretty large. The 28th pick in last years draft has a contract that pays him on average 3.2 million. Hurst made 3.5 this year. 3-If we took Mayer I won't like the logic of the pick but the player will be great. 4-We will have to sign a starter at TE before the draft. We can upgrade but we won't be able to count on getting a starter in the draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 8 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said: I am seeing a lot of that. I just think financially its a really bad play 1-We want a first rounder who plays right away because of how we will have to pay Burrow-Higgins 2-The difference between a Free Agent TE and a Draft Pick TE financially isn't that different whereas the different between a Free Agent CB/LT and a Draft pick will likely be pretty large. The 28th pick in last years draft has a contract that pays him on average 3.2 million. Hurst made 3.5 this year. 3-If we took Mayer I won't like the logic of the pick but the player will be great. 4-We will have to sign a starter at TE before the draft. We can upgrade but we won't be able to count on getting a starter in the draft. Mayer is 6'4 265lbs.. He's the best blocking TE in the draft . He finds seams with outstanding hands.. He's bullish after the catch.. He'll be an upgrade over the vet Hurst quickly due to his allround abilities and would solidify the spot fir years.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Just re-sign Hurst.Draft an OT.Cut Collins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Weston, you’ve been on fire. No notes and co-sign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 6 hours ago, claptonrocks said: Mayer is 6'4 265lbs.. He's the best blocking TE in the draft . He finds seams with outstanding hands.. He's bullish after the catch.. He'll be an upgrade over the vet Hurst quickly due to his allround abilities and would solidify the spot fir years.. I have not watched Washington yet but from what I hear he's basically like a 3rd tackle. I worry about the development of TEs. They take so long. I think you are right and Mayer should be plug and play. But that's not how most TEs are. Here are the numbers from last years TEs (Not too terrible actually) 2 55 ARI Trey McBride 29 265 1 6 3 73 IND Jelani Woods 25 312 3 1 3 80 DEN Greg Dulcich 33 411 2 3 101 NYJ Jeremy Ruckert 1 8 0 4 106 TAM Cade Otton 42 391 2 5 4 112 NYG Daniel Bellinger 30 268 2 4 128 BAL Charlie Kolar 4 49 0 4 129 DAL Jake Ferguson 19 174 2 1 4 139 BAL Isaiah Likely 36 373 3 1 4 143 TEN Chigoziem Okonkwo 32 450 3 5 5 149 WAS Cole Turner 2 23 0 5 170 HOU Teagan Quitoriano 7 113 2 2 5 177 DET James Mitchell 11 113 1 6 192 IND Andrew Ogletree 6 198 PHI Grant Calcaterra 5 81 0 6 208 PIT Connor Heyward 12 151 1 3 6 213 ATL John FitzPatrick 6 218 TAM Ko Kieft 7 80 1 8 7 227 MIN Nick Muse 0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 If the market should give Hurst a great deal and he leaves......Jordan Akins looks really interesting for a cheap replacement to pair with a rookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Mayer's comp is Jason Witten If he's there you don't pass on that. Even if we resign Hurst. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 7 hours ago, claptonrocks said: He's the best blocking TE in the draft . Nope. Darnell Washington Is the best blocking TE in this draft and there’s not even a close second. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 17 minutes ago, spicoli said: Nope. Darnell Washington Is the best blocking TE in this draft and there’s not even a close second. Just curious: you have always known everything about every one, draft wise. Is it from watching many hours of games/films? And, is it a hobby or a profession? Either way, you have rarely been off-target. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Hobby that started in 1984 with the drafting of one Norman Julius Esiason. Been hooked ever since. I don’t get into like I used to due to time constraints but I definitely still try and keep up with most of the prospects throughout each year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 3 hours ago, spicoli said: Nope. Darnell Washington Is the best blocking TE in this draft and there’s not even a close second. And. You'd be right....😊 I went back over the blocking grades of TEs and I saw Mayer with a 70 grade which is very good.. Above other TEs except Washington who graded at 81... Outstanding blocker.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, spicoli said: Hobby that started in 1984 with the drafting of one Norman Julius Esiason. Been hooked ever since. I don’t get into like I used to due to time constraints but I definitely still try and keep up with most of the prospects throughout each year. You've allways had a good track record in drafts.. Much respect my friend.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, claptonrocks said: And. You'd be right....😊 I went back over the blocking grades of TEs and I saw Mayer with a 70 grade which is very good.. Above other TEs except Washington who graded at 81... Outstanding blocker.. Trying to find video just of him blocking. I have read its amazing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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|westside bengal| Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 7 hours ago, spicoli said: Nope. Darnell Washington Is the best blocking TE in this draft and there’s not even a close second. I agree Washington is the best blocking TE. I also believe he is underrated as a receiver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Let's say the Bengals free agency at TE consists of re-signing Hurst for 3 years at 7-8 mil per year and bringing back Sample and Wilcox on vet min deals. In that situation, TE should be on the board for consideration at pick 28. It depends on what other needs we have and who is available but Mayer would be a good pick. He could easily supplement, then replace Boyd's role in the middle of the field. I doubt we extend TB after the 2023 season due to what we'll be paying Tee and Jamar. The same logic would apply to someone like Jaxon Smith-Njigba if he were still on the board. Of course a CB or LT would offer more positional value but they may not be as good a player. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 7 hours ago, claptonrocks said: And. You'd be right....😊 I went back over the blocking grades of TEs and I saw Mayer with a 70 grade which is very good.. Above other TEs except Washington who graded at 81... Outstanding blocker.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 I'd be happy with either one. Kincaid as well, so I guess we'll see what the Bengals value more, very good receiver, good blocker (Mayer), Great blocker, ok receiver (Washington), great receiver, terrible blocker (Kincaid). JMHO, but I believe all three will be gone before the Bengals 2nd round pick, I like all three, but I REALLY want either a tackle or cornerback at 28 (depending on who's there). The Bengals could simplify this by signing a RT who would be a decent starter (an up grade over Adeniji ) then go best BPA which then could be a TE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 9 hours ago, claptonrocks said: You've allways had a good track record in drafts.. Much respect my friend.. Thank you my friend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 I think/hope they keep Hayden Hurst for a couplea few years and the question is will they try to upgrade from Drew Sample? Hurst + a mean pass catching/blocking mammy jammer would be nice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 A sleeper TE I like is Brant Keithe from Utah. He was their starter, ahead of Kincaid until he got hurt in 2021. Keithe will probably be available at our pick in round 3 and maybe round 4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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