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|BlackJesus| Posted August 29 Report Share Posted August 29 4 minutes ago, High School Harry said: $35,000,000.01 I would give him that tomorrow morning and just be done with all the drama. We should be game planning with Chase for the Week 2 Queefs already. But there's only distractions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 29 Report Share Posted August 29 The more I think about it the more I like my 5 year, 175.1 mill idea for Ja'Marr. It gives him more yearly avg than Jefferson's (35.01, what he wants) and gives the Bengals an extra year, since Ja'Marr himself is a year early. Win/win and then locks him up 7 years until he's only 31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 This is not a good look for Cincinnati ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 If we really play the Queefs Week 2 without Ja'Marr because Mike is trying to save up for his next oil change on the Lumina, I am going to be pissed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 Pay the man! 💰 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 48 minutes ago, High School Harry said: $35,000,000.01 Straight up, I wouldn't pay it. He can be the highest paid WR in the NFL when he's the highest scoring WR in the NFL, or has the most yards, or otherwise separates himself from the pack enough to make that claim. Top 10-ish performance earns a top 10-ish contract. Plus one cent. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 And again, Aiyuk was drafted a year BEFORE Chase. Not sure why Chase thinks he is the exception to the rule. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 6 minutes ago, SF2 said: And again, Aiyuk was drafted a year BEFORE Chase. ... But Waddle and Smith were drafted in the SAME year as Chase. There's already been 2 exceptions this off-season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 2 minutes ago, BlackJesus said: ... But Waddle and Smith were drafted in the SAME year as Chase. There's already been 2 exceptions this off-season. Well the Dolphins a bad organization for starters. They just overpaid Tua and already had Hill. Spending more money early on Waddle was stupid. The Eagles had a lot of cap space they needed to fill, the Bengals don’t. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 19 minutes ago, SF2 said: And again, Aiyuk was drafted a year BEFORE Chase. Not sure why Chase thinks he is the exception to the rule. Or why choosing to sit out of practice is anyone else's fault but his.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Inigo Montoya Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 2 hours ago, SF2 said: And again, Aiyuk was drafted a year BEFORE Chase. Not sure why Chase thinks he is the exception to the rule. In his defense, Waddle and Devonta Smith both got paid. Both were drafted behind him and haven’t produced to his level. Not surprised he thinks waiting a year is not OK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 18 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: In his defense, Waddle and Devonta Smith both got paid. Both were drafted behind him and haven’t produced to his level. Not surprised he thinks waiting a year is not OK. The Bengals currently have $12mil in 2024 cap space. The 49ers had $39 mil when today started. Somebody explain to me how we sign Chase to a contract today, I honestly don’t know how you do it. The Dolphins are stupid to tie up that much money at WR with Hill and Waddle. Kelce not coming back opened up another $15 to 16 mil in cap space on the Eagles. It was a monetary and cap strategy decision to sign Smith now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 8 minutes ago, SF2 said: The Bengals currently have $12mil in 2024 cap space. The 49ers had $39 mil when today started. Somebody explain to me how we sign Chase to a contract today, I honestly don’t know how you do it. Maybe they give him the penny now and an IOU for the rest of it? 🥷 Fair question though with a whole lot of current starters headed for free agency along with him over the next two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 I don’t think his salary would increase this year. I do think his signing bonus can be spread across five years though. So theoretically they could burn up most of that since they like giving large signing bonuses to offset the guaranteed money outside year one. In his case though - next year is fully guaranteed so not sure if they can add guaranteed to that fifth year option they exercised or not. They’ve never guaranteed anything in the third year for anyone outside of Joe - so not sure how that would play out. When we look back on all of this - we probably realize they fumbled the Higgins situation. Not much can be done about it now but if he truly only wanted a Pittman-esque deal, he probably should have gotten it to keep these three dudes together. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 10 hours ago, BlackJesus said: ... But Waddle and Smith were drafted in the SAME year as Chase. There's already been 2 exceptions this off-season. Both are also #2 WR's on their team and both of the contracts they signed were LESS than what Chase wants just in guarantees! The bigger deals went to the guys that waited until AFTER their 4th year. Chase is just going to have to wait. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 2 hours ago, JC said: I don’t think his salary would increase this year. I do think his signing bonus can be spread across five years though. So theoretically they could burn up most of that since they like giving large signing bonuses to offset the guaranteed money outside year one. In his case though - next year is fully guaranteed so not sure if they can add guaranteed to that fifth year option they exercised or not. They’ve never guaranteed anything in the third year for anyone outside of Joe - so not sure how that would play out. When we look back on all of this - we probably realize they fumbled the Higgins situation. Not much can be done about it now but if he truly only wanted a Pittman-esque deal, he probably should have gotten it to keep these three dudes together. Same with Jessie Bates, the Bengals front office is outdated in how they go about signing players, there are plenty of examples of quality starters that left for other teams because ownership didn't deem them worthy of a big contract of some outdated model that says you can't pay guards, safeties, or guys over 30 years old...this isn't the 80's anymore. The Bengals should have kept Whitworth, Zeitler, and Bates... to name a few, we've all seen the struggles of the offensive line over the past decade, imagine if Zietler and Whitworth were able to finish their careers as Bengals like they should have been, maybe we would win the SuperBowl in 2021 instead having Whit protect Stafford and watch him get a ring. The NFL is setup for parity but ownership has to do their part and retain top talent or you will never win on a consistent basis, the good team get it and re-sign their best players to long term extensions, they don't just pay the QB only. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 41 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: Same with Jessie Bates, the Bengals front office is outdated in how they go about signing players, there are plenty of examples of quality starters that left for other teams because ownership didn't deem them worthy of a big contract of some outdated model that says you can't pay guards, safeties, or guys over 30 years old...this isn't the 80's anymore. The Bengals should have kept Whitworth, Zeitler, and Bates... to name a few, we've all seen the struggles of the offensive line over the past decade, imagine if Zietler and Whitworth were able to finish their careers as Bengals like they should have been, maybe we would win the SuperBowl in 2021 instead having Whit protect Stafford and watch him get a ring. The NFL is setup for parity but ownership has to do their part and retain top talent or you will never win on a consistent basis, the good team get it and re-sign their best players to long term extensions, they don't just pay the QB only. I guess the Vikings front office is outdated too since they waited on Jefferson. I guess the Cowboys front office is as well along with the 49'ers. Took the 49'ers longer because Aiyuk wanted to be traded and they had the parameters set for a trade but Aiyuk apparently didn't want to go there. Bates money went to the OL, (Brown Jr.) The big WR deals this year went to guys that had completed year 4, (getting ready to play on the 5th year option). Chase is going to get paid. He'll have to wait. Sure Waddle and Smith got deals a year early. Their total contract payouts are less than what Chase wants guaranteed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dautcom08 Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 10 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: In his defense, Waddle and Devonta Smith both got paid. Both were drafted behind him and haven’t produced to his level. Not surprised he thinks waiting a year is not OK. Both got 3 year deals at less than $30M a year. These are not the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, PatternMaster said: Same with Jessie Bates, the Bengals front office is outdated in how they go about signing players, there are plenty of examples of quality starters that left for other teams because ownership didn't deem them worthy of a big contract of some outdated model that says you can't pay guards, safeties, or guys over 30 years old...this isn't the 80's anymore. The Bengals should have kept Whitworth, Zeitler, and Bates... to name a few, we've all seen the struggles of the offensive line over the past decade, imagine if Zietler and Whitworth were able to finish their careers as Bengals like they should have been, maybe we would win the SuperBowl in 2021 instead having Whit protect Stafford and watch him get a ring. The NFL is setup for parity but ownership has to do their part and retain top talent or you will never win on a consistent basis, the good team get it and re-sign their best players to long term extensions, they don't just pay the QB only. Great post. You are 100% correct. The Bengals look like they are close to the salary cap, but it's just the way they choose to structure contracts. They could EASILY sign both Chase and Higgins to extensions by restructuring Burrow's contract. Franchise QB contracts get restructured all of the time to create more cap space. Mahomes, Hurts and even Watson have all done this. It is just moving money around to get extensions done. As best I can tell, the Bengals are the only team in the entire NFL that never restructures any contracts to create room to sign core players. One of their archaic salary policies that is very telling. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 28 minutes ago, Dautcom08 said: Both got 3 year deals at less than $30M a year. These are not the same. Exactly! Neither of them are even the highest paid WR on their team. Chase not only wants to be the highest paid WR on the team. He wants to be the highest paid in the league. Big difference! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 43 minutes ago, Dautcom08 said: Both got 3 year deals at less than $30M a year. These are not the same. The contracts aren’t the same but the point is that they got new deals after 3 years instead of 4. I also don’t agree with the logic of saying he has to wait because he deserves a bigger contract. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 3 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: The contracts aren’t the same but the point is that they got new deals after 3 years instead of 4. I also don’t agree with the logic of saying he has to wait because he deserves a bigger contract. It's fine to disagree with it. The precedents have been set though and not just by the Bengals. The WR's that got the bigger deals waited until after year 4. The 2 WR's that took deals a year earlier took deals that don't even equal what Chase wants in just guarantees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Jersey Bengal Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 2 hours ago, PatternMaster said: Same with Jessie Bates, the Bengals front office is outdated in how they go about signing players, there are plenty of examples of quality starters that left for other teams because ownership didn't deem them worthy of a big contract of some outdated model that says you can't pay guards, safeties, or guys over 30 years old...this isn't the 80's anymore. The Bengals should have kept Whitworth, Zeitler, and Bates... to name a few, we've all seen the struggles of the offensive line over the past decade, imagine if Zietler and Whitworth were able to finish their careers as Bengals like they should have been, maybe we would win the SuperBowl in 2021 instead having Whit protect Stafford and watch him get a ring. The NFL is setup for parity but ownership has to do their part and retain top talent or you will never win on a consistent basis, the good team get it and re-sign their best players to long term extensions, they don't just pay the QB only. I agree with you here to a certain extent but they can't sign everyone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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