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  1. 9 points
    Rick, as a disabled retired veteran of the US Navy, I understand your point of view. However, let me interject something... Many people are upset that NFL players (amongst other sports athletes) are not standing during the national anthem. They say that it's a sign of major disrespect to veterans, especially the ones who paid the ultimate sacrifice for our country. Indulge me if you please... The "Golden Generation", the ones everyone refers to as the saviors of the American way, did indeed fight against the tyrants attempts at world oppression from Germany, Japan, Italy, and a small smattering of others. When the U.S. entered World War II, Jim Crow segregation had permeated every aspect of American society. When black men volunteered for duty or were drafted, they were assigned to segregated divisions and often given combat support roles, such as cook, quartermaster and grave-digging duty. According to British personnel in the BEF, meals in the US Army were served with the white servicemen being served in one line and the black servicemen and officers in another. Because of black protests against the Army's treatment of its black soldiers, military leadership began to attempt to address the issue beginning in 1943, but segregation in the armed forces remained official policy until 1948. With the exception of 18 female African-American nurses who had served in World War I, the Army Nurses CorpArmyAaaa, established in 1901, remained white until 1941, when pressure from the National Association of Colored Graduate Nurses, and Eleanor Roosevelt , caused the Army to admit black nurses. A quota of 48 nurses was set, and the women were segregated from white nurses and white soldiers for much of the war. Eventually more black nurses enlisted. They were assigned to care for black soldiers, and served in the China-Burma-India theater, Australia, New Guinea, Liberia, England and the Philippines. So, besides the history lesson, my point is this; Black men and women volunteered to serve to fight world oppression when they couldn't escape racial oppression back home. You and I fought for the rights of ALL citizens to protest, and these black men and women, and ANYONE else who cares about people of color has the right and should be supported for doing so. I stand with them now, although I didn't at first, because I didn't take the time to walk in their shoes. It's not about respect for our vets and America, it's about the lack of respect and equality for people who volunteered to defend this country that won't treat them as equals. Just my $.02, and I'll move this thread to J & D.
  2. 7 points
    You shut it. Shut your dirty, whore mouth.
  3. 7 points
    Raise your hand if you want a free copy of "NFL Coaching for Dummies"
  4. 7 points
    Andy is and always has been a Marvin quarterback. Mediocre and not able to win the big one. He has peaked, leveled out and not going to get any better. The only way for him is down. When things break right and he has protection from the Offensive Line (forget that this season), he is decent enough. If A.J. Green and Eifert (when healthy) were not on this team, Andy would be a backup somewhere else. In our first Super Bowl year, Ken Anderson was abominable during the first game vs. Seattle. Down by 21 points (more than the Ravens scored all day). Forrest Greg (my all time favorite Bengal coach), sat Kenny and put in Turk Schonert who pulled out a come from behind victory. Kenny went in the next week and played all the way to the Super Bowl. Marvin does not have the wherewithal or balls to sit Andy if even for a little while. He continues to try to pound a square peg into a round hole. Marv might as well buy a ticket and sit in the stands for all he does on the field. Even then he would probably not be able to find his seat again after taking a whiz in the women's rest room by mistake.
  5. 6 points
    I read that Marvin considered taking over play calling but then he realized he would have to stay awake for the whole game so he declined
  6. 6 points
    HOLY SHIT it's a miracle! So excited for Hobson!! Bengals are LAZOR Focused. Maybe they will bring back Brat and we can all enjoy the halfback pitch!!
  7. 6 points
  8. 5 points
    I think it's all a misunderstanding; the Bengals want him to come in to sing the National Anthem.
  9. 5 points
    I've become Comfortably Numb to this team's ineptitude and ongoing disappointment of the fanbase. I used to get all worked about a loss like yesterday. Now, I am just numb to it. My wife walked in during the late stages of the game and said, "OH NO! They are getting killed. Why are you so calm?" I said, "It's just a game, dear" and she laughed. There are two main reasons why the Bengals got destroyed yesterday. The first and foremost is the coaching staff. Lewis and Zampese specifically are terrible. The turnstile approach that Zampese used with the RBs (Hill, then Mixon, then Bernard, then Hill, then...) was idiotic. It was like watching pre-season. As someone else noted, how do you target Eifert once when you are in that game? How do you not help Ogbuehi? The second reason is the management and their decision to allow that fucking joke of an offensive line to come in to this season as a unit. Andy Dalton sucked yesterday and admitted to doing so but, nobody is going to thrive behind that assbox of a line. Nobody will need to worry about them giving McCarron a shot this season as Andy Dalton will not survive the year. You will see McCarron and likely even Driskel before it's all over. The sad part is, this team has talent. Quite a bit of it in fact. More than many teams who will make the playoffs this year. Unfortunately, the failure of a few will see this whole team fail. I'm prepared for a long year.
  10. 5 points
    He's better than average... Which is pretty damn good. He's also been very durable, which is a sadly overlooked quality. It wasn't that long ago when people wanted to trade him for Kaepernick, because Kaepernick won playoff games. Now Kaepernick sucks. Andrew Luck is still "elite" because he was a first round draft pick. And so on... I recall a rtime when the Pats were doomed because Drew Bledsoe was hurt and he was an Elite QB. Carson Palmer was right up there with Manning. LOL. See, THIS is a narrative. Nevermind the fact that Dalton has had to lead his team in the playoffs with Rex Burkehead as his #2 receiver. That he's had to work with a sub-par running game. Because we all remember Dalton fumbling with 22 seconds to go, right? It's his fault that JJ Watt beat Andre Smith like Kuntakinte two years straight. It's his fault that Marvin's a conservative pussy who would rather kneel out a half and has clock management that The Mad Hatter would find appalling. In 2015, he had a 106.3 passer rating. In 2016, he played behind the 31st ranked line in the NFL and the running game was averaging 3.6 YPC. Slingin' Sammy Baugh couldn't have been successful in that team makeup. And it's a team game. If you really don't like Dalton - We can always go back to the Kitna/Frerotte/Akili years... Hell, we all remember Jeff Blake's playoff appearances. I bet you that Cleveland would be thrilled to have Dalton, as would 10-16 other teams in the NFL right now. Don't be all "5/10, wouldn't bang" and appreciate that he's been solid and steady after taking over a team that was expected to be the worst in the league by a long way after Captain "Elite" Pick-6 bolted on us. How did he do again in Oakland?
  11. 5 points
    Rick with respect to your family history, it's fascinating but it's also completely random. In other words you could have just as easily been born in a small fishing village in Bali - it's not something you accomplished. Not trying to be a dick about it because it's definitely an interesting & dramatic read, but you seem to equate it with this love of symbolism or think it somehow endows you with a greater sense of patriotism than everyone else. It does not. These guys are using their cushy position as NFL players to make a statement. They've all seen how it tanked another rising star's career in Kaepernick, yet they chose to go ahead and do it anyway. They're risking their entire livelihood, a quite lucrative one, for something they think is more important. You say they're only doing it for attention & that's both cynical and ridiculous. What attention are they gaining that isn't completely negative? And why should I boycott a football game over it? What would you have their employer, the Cleveland Browns NFL franchise, do about it? Force them to stand or be fired, thus violating the very Constitutional Rights you claim to hold so dear? Or is it the symbols you're more concerned with, because championing civil rights actually requires more effort than standing for a few minutes or flying a bit of cloth? It's funny that you would expect an organization as monumentally hypocritical as the NFL to make this stand for you. You may disagree with the players, but to argue that it's because you're a bigger patriot than them is a dangerous road to go down. You know next to nothing about any of them. They could be the sons of Medal of Honor winners for all you know. Would that make their position more important to you? I'd also like to mention that war fucking sucks. War. Fucking. Sucks. It's not something to be celebrated. Yes, I'm very glad we won most of them & I appreciate the people that fought in them, but we owe those people our apologies as much as our admiration.
  12. 4 points
    I am 66.....my idea of a nooner is taking a nap and dreaming about knocking one off.....or maybe it is the tool sale at Lowe's....I can't remember.
  13. 4 points
    IDK how you watch the game last week and come away thinking we have an advantage over anyone left on the schedule. This is at best an even match-up. Plus, it's TNF, which is a shit-tier product in itself that provides nothing beyond yet another cash infusion for the bloated NFL carcass. If they actually had a shred of this much-talked-about integrity they would simply flip a coin and save everyone the trouble. My prediction: Getting a good night's rest before an early work day on Friday, where I can read the postmortem during the ol' morning constitutional.
  14. 4 points
    For me it's not just that he's too conservative, it's that he's too inflexible. He's a great defensive coordinator, and his stick to the plan style does work often. Just never in the playoffs or even most big regular season games. Last year the team blew first half leads three times (Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Houston) out of nine losses. That doesn't tell the story to me though. Our defense wasn't as good as 2015 when all indicators early on were that Cincy was the team to beat. There weren't leads to blow, the system wasn't working as well. Things were firing on all cylinders 2015 though. Second best defense in the entire league. Then the wheels started falling off. 8-0 first half of season. 4-4 second half of season. Three of the four losses are blown first half leads. Still, the story isn't the stats to me. Mike Mitchell says on social media that he's going to intentionally injure Bengal players, then he brutally spears Eifert in the head. Tyler gone with a serious concussion. Marvin claps encouragement on the sideline and accepts 15 yards in exchange for our star tight end. No amount of flipping out would've been too much for Lewis at this point. Even an ejection would've been good because the attention would've also been on why you were ejected (Mitchell's dirty hit). To your point that his aggression has cost us games, again I think it's his inflexibility. No way Hill should have been screaming into the Steeler secondary alone with the football in the wild card game. That's the play they call with 1st and 10 at that field position. Probably too aggressive when a turnover is the only way you can lose the game though.
  15. 4 points
    Adults? Seriously? We ask these guys to be Maximus against Claudius and when they fail, we bitch. When they succeed, we bitch. What sport are you watching? Because if it isn't the evolution of Roman Gladiators for the bread and circuses of the masses then I'm not sure what you're watching. No, it's not our fault they are suspended, but you know what is? Us, and our expectations of good Christian values. Burfict is our best player, hands down, love him or leave him.
  16. 4 points
    The start of another NFL season brings out unsavory characters lol
  17. 4 points
    He was realizing his potential, as was the team, when he broke his thumb on that terrible play against Pittsburgh. Went from having a great season, actually being picked up by fantasy football players, about to score on the dreaded Stealers, to season over in an instant. That's football of course, but there is an element of being snake bit to the Bengals. If fate doesn't bestow it on us, then we do it to ourselves (wild card game). I've seen Dalton play in person and I was very impressed. He really does have the talent, but will the team ever focus and fight mercilessly (and more importantly) intelligently for that extra inch? That extra inch Al Pacino refers to in, On Any Given Sunday. I won't belabor Mike Brown or Marv, honestly I'm exhausted, but it's gonna require team cohesion to see what Andy's capable of.
  18. 4 points
    This is pure nonsense. I DGAF what he did in college & neither should you. I will grant you that he had a problem playing within the rules earlier in his career. Unlike many players, who are never even criticized for it, let alone suspended for multiple games, he cleaned it up. Unlike James Harrison, he didn't piss and moan about it and start threatening to take out people's knees. He never stomped on a guy's face like Haynesworth. Burfict sometimes hit people late. I don't like seeing him twist ankles but if that's a problem you probably shouldn't watch football. Every time a player gets tackled they are likely to get their ankle twisted, or have one player hold them up so another can get a hit in, or have an elbow dug into their ribs and on and on. That's the game. It's violent, the NFL and ESPN and FOX Sports and the rest WANT a violent game. The fans, god help us, want a violent game. The ex-players enjoyed playing a violent game, but now their brains are mush so they're going after the league. That's all this is about; not player safety or any of this other mealy-mouthed bullshit from Goodell. They are running scared from a massive class-action lawsuit, period. Burfict had ONE unnecessary roughness penalty last season. One. He was not called for any other personal foul all year. What does that tell you? He hit an eligible receiver, squared up, with his shoulder, within 5 yards of the LOS. I DGAF if it was a PRESEASON game & neither should you. He was on a football field, playing football. If they're supposed to patty-cake their way through the preseason then let them do it in shorts like any other 1/2 speed practice. The NFL made yet another rule change to let receivers catch the ball without being touched. I'd never heard of this rule change before the suspension & neither had anyone else apparently. They needed to get everyone's attention and Goodell likes to wave his shriveled old dick around, so we get a 5 game suspension to make a point that had very little if anything to do with Burfict. 5 fucking games, for a hit that wasn't even flagged. He hit Antonio Brown a fraction of a second late, with his shoulder, 2 SEASONS AGO, KNOWING that if he catches it the Bengals probably lose. In the Playoffs. Again. That entire game, even while Stealers OL were diving at his knees after the whistle, the announcers were going on and on and on about that nasty, dirty, probably-a-communist Burfict. It was a fucking smear job from the start. Also, Antonio Brown fucking flopped like Pau Gisol. The Stealers were laughing with him about it on the sideline. That same sideline where one of their coaches PULLED A MAN'S HAIR. What happened to his fine? Poof, gone, thanks to Goodell. If he were a Stealer, Raven, or Patriot, he wouldn't be suspended. You can look at far worse players on any of those teams and see that plain as day. ONE MORE TIME: Vontaze Burfict is Goodell's whipping boy. They don't really want the NFL to change, but they need to put on a show for the lawyers and the courts. The reason is obvious.
  19. 4 points
    In a move akin to your house guest shitting on the rug and then lighting some incense for you
  20. 4 points
    This is not that complicated. The greatest stains on this country's history derive from racist premises. Sadly, this is as true in the 21st century as it was in the 17th century. And if you or your ancestors went to war to preserve those racist premises--or even worse, to try to assert them as positive values--then you, and they, deserve disapprobation. And by the way, Grant owned one slave and he freed him in the late 1950s. His wife's side of the family owned slaves. I think Julia owned four. None of this is worthy of praise. But at least we ought to be level-headed enough to be careful of the facts. As has been common knowledge for the LAST 100 YEARS, the memorials to those who took up arms in rebellion to the political principles upon which this nation was founded, especially those in government spaces, were the result of the imposition of Jim Crow. The false deification of those insurrectionists has to be put in it's proper context--not in a bunch of government sanctioned statues in front of court houses (and even in Congressional halls)--but in books.
  21. 4 points
    These guys are literally killing themselves getting concussed every Sunday, and the thing that makes you want to boycott is them kneeling during the anthem? Wife beaters get a slap on the wrist, but this is just too much? "Politics should never get in the way of disrespecting America" Ummm, America should be worthy of respect. You can't force someone to respect a country. "Subscribe to my particular breed of nationalism or suffer!" seems to be your rallying cry... Bullshit. You want to threaten a young man's livelihood if he does not conform to your narrow viewpoint. I can't think of anything more un-american. You love a flag and an anthem more than the freedoms those things represent.
  22. 3 points
    I always want the Bengals to win, but it you put a gun to my head and say my life depends on the most accurate prediction, here it is. Marvin leaves Andy in and sticks to his guns across the board. The team plays much better and has a chance to win. They blow a few key plays, a couple borderline calls go against them, Marvin makes a couple questionable at best moves, and they find a way to lose. I hope I'm wrong. Also, someone will post how they're number 6 in completion percentage when playing above 44 degrees latitude. Number 4 when the moon is in a waxing crescent phase.
  23. 3 points
    More likely we are the most "who gives a shit" team in the league.
  24. 3 points
    It's like Chris Perry, Ben Utecht & Derrick Rose had an orgy and created a super baby.
  25. 3 points
    Hahahahaha.... The Oline blocked someone? Surely you jest....
  26. 3 points
    IMO he should have been fired after the San Diego playoff game. So if he's not back, it would be too late in moving on. But I wouldn't be surprised if he does return since the Browns don't really demand accountability from their employees.
  27. 3 points
    Before it becomes a shit show? Would that not require time travel?
  28. 3 points
  29. 3 points
  30. 3 points
  31. 3 points
    Is football supposed to be depressing?
  32. 3 points
    Well..he didn't miss a kick this week...
  33. 3 points
    Well "conspiracy" implies that they are trying to hide it, not sure that fits at this point.. But we'll save you a seat. Help yourself to the beer & nachos but it's BYO foil hats.
  34. 3 points
    I fully expect Ben to get an 8 game suspension out of that.
  35. 3 points
    I generally hate Stephen A Smith but this is one rant I can continually get behind:
  36. 3 points
    We just moved to Fort Lauderdale three weeks ago, split town two days ago for a family home in Sarasota, left yesterday and are now in Orlando. Irma's a deliberate yet waffling bitch.
  37. 3 points
    I'm here - thanks Harry for checking on me. I thought Actium had moved away from Houston - but I'm not sure?
  38. 3 points
    It's nice that y'all believe there is no corruptness in a billion dollar business. God bless you all.
  39. 3 points
    Mike Nugent cut by the Giants. On the way out of camp, his car reportedly drifted wide left, hit the gate post and bounced back into the parking lot.
  40. 3 points
    Maybe we should have a "Drama Queen of the Month" award... and then we'll also create an "Asshat of the Month" award. There is a standing nomination for that one...
  41. 3 points
  42. 3 points
    I seriously cannot even believe they gave him 5 games for this shit. It feels like the NFL fucks the Bengals so bad... then time passes and I convince myself that I am just a fan that is programmed to feel that my team is singled out. Then it happens again. And again. And again. It makes it difficult to care. It makes it difficult not to wish bad things on certain mother fuckers. The only justice that can possibly happen on this is for there to be a complete reversal and no suspension at all. Anything else is utter bullshit.
  43. 3 points
    Let it out, newprodigy, this is a safe space. If you can't come here and call Roger Goodell a smarmy, duplicitous goat-fucking misbegotten son of a filthy 5 dollar whore that would gladly suck the shit out of a roadkill possum if it got his name in the press, then.. Wait, what was the question?
  44. 3 points
    Lol, SF2. And then you doubled down in your edit, adding everything after the bit I quoted above. Here's the deal. This whole "warrior-hero" bullshit is completely out of control. It's sick and bad for our society. I'd suggest that we rather focus on the concept of the "citizen-soldier."
  45. 3 points
    jesus fucking christ boycott games for people doing what AMERICA allows them to do. BOYCOTT PEOPLE TRYING TO GET BLACK PEOPLE NOT SHOT FOR NO REASON!!! AMERICA!!! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!!!!!!! WHAT THE FUCK!??! i could not POSSIBLY support these players and this cause anymore! this is LITERALLY what america is SUPPOSED to be about. THIS is what freedom was faught for. if youre offended, thats on YOU. decent sized groups of people, sworm to serve and protect the citizens(not just the white ones) who many wear a flag on their uniforms, are killing unarmed black people by the dozens, and so multiple people with a platform are silently and peacefully, protecting these actions... and THATS what you want to boycott? jesus fuck.
  46. 3 points
    1. Funny part about the conservatives squealing about "erasing history", just a few years ago there was a huge controversy about the content of public school textbooks and it was the CONSERVATIVES who claimed it was un-American to have a bunch of information about things like The Trail of Tears, Jim Crow era laws, and Gov. Wallace blocking the schoolhouse doors to black kids. So somehow erasing history from schoolbooks is not as bad as removing a statue from public property. 2. The veterans who claim any protest against government policy is a personal insult to them do not even understand what they fought for. They also fail to realize that protestors in the 1960's saved the lives of many soldiers by protesting against the Viet Nam conflict. 3. Finally, if you have ancestors who fought for the confederacy them celebrate them by name. You don't honor them with symbols of traitors who fought against the United States in order to preserve slavery. I am not saying that everyone who fought for the Confederacy or Nazi Germany was evil, but the swastika and rebel battle flag are symbols of hatred and evil that do not honor an individual in any way.
  47. 3 points
    Do we honor US Grant as a slave owner? Do we honor him as the leader of a rebellion against our country? Jefferson Davis does not have a statue because of his time as a minor member of Franklin Pierce's cabinet. Robert E. Lee did many great things in his life, but all of his statues celebrate his time as a CSA general. If you celebrate the hoisting of a battle flag in front of your state’s capitol, and you have roads all over your state that are named after Confederate generals, and you celebrate this 19th century past, it should surprise absolutely no one when people pick up on this and imagine that the South is still at war with the North over whether blacks deserve rights and representation, or even life. When you go a step further and incorporate Nazi symbolism - The greatest mass-murderers of the 20th century - it should surprise no one when people start thinking you may intend something even darker. I'm in Richmond, and this debate has been raging since the 90's when good white people were horrified that Arthur Ashe might have a statue on their same hallowed road that memorializes their beloved confederate generals. As someone close to the flashpoint - It's always about racism. Anyone who tells you differently is selling something.
  48. 3 points
  49. 3 points
    Do all of the people so offended by this stand up in their living rooms for the national anthem? I doubt it. I'm not offended..It's their right. I'm not boycotting shit.
  50. 3 points
    "Stop being offended by everything!!!" - the people who are constantly offended by everything Moving to J&D in 3, 2, 1.....

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