Willie Anderson says Andre Smith will start training camp on PUP

[JC]

[quote name='Bengal Migration' date='29 July 2010 - 01:34 AM' timestamp='1280381698' post='900358']
And you think you're going to get that from Collins? Like I said. Moronic.
[/quote]
Okay..so when that moron Paul Alexander started AC at LT against Pittsburgh his rookie year and kept Whit at LG and AC manhandled Harrison it was moronic? C'mon. You act like you saw a ton of snaps from AC at right tackle..when he didn't get that much burn.

We will just have to agree to disagree because this thread is already going to far off-topic. But the whole everyone who thinks moving Whit is a moronic idea seems a little over the top. He's good..not as good as a lot of people make him out to be..


Hope Dre can get it straight and this is Willie trying to stir the pot..(go figure).

[-GoBengals-]

[quote name='Rumble In the Jungle' date='28 July 2010 - 09:34 PM' timestamp='1280374456' post='900334']
does or can willie come back?
[/quote]

that bridge is fucking burnt.

[tybo]

[quote name='GoBengals' date='29 July 2010 - 12:54 AM' timestamp='1280382850' post='900362']
that bridge is fucking burnt.
[/quote]

Heard Willie on Sirius the other day and he let it be known that he would like to play this year if he can get a job. So he is probably watching our situation pretty closely. May just be wishful thinking on his part though.

[scharm]

Willie is just mad because from this point on he is always on the PUP and never getting off.

[scharm]

I thought Alexander claimed he only scored Whit giving up one sack. I think Whit scored himself 2 or 3.

He's a Franchise LT. He had a better season than the "name" guy in Cleveland. Joe Thomas great tackle as well but he gets beat as well.


His coach, His QB and independent writers thought he was All-Pro, yet someone on this message board knows better? Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

[mongo]

Why is a Raven tweeting about our players?Go back to the sideline radio in Baltimore, wang.

[Jason]

[quote name='JC' date='29 July 2010 - 01:53 AM' timestamp='1280382820' post='900361']
Okay..so when that moron Paul Alexander started AC at LT against Pittsburgh his rookie year and kept Whit at LG and AC manhandled Harrison it was moronic? C'mon. You act like you saw a ton of snaps from AC at right tackle..when he didn't get that much burn.

We will just have to agree to disagree because this thread is already going to far off-topic. But the whole everyone who thinks moving Whit is a moronic idea seems a little over the top. He's good..not as good as a lot of people make him out to be..


Hope Dre can get it straight and this is Willie trying to stir the pot..(go figure).
[/quote]
Whit got hurt the game before, which is the only reason Collins played that game to begin with.

[oldschooler]

[b][url="http://twitter.com/CinBengalsNFL"][color="#0a0501"]CinBengalsNFL[/color][/url][/b] [url=""] [/url] Andre smith not dressed for practice
[url="http://twitter.com/CinBengalsNFL/status/19822691914"]1 minute ago[/url] via [url="http://twitter.com/devices"]txt[/url]

[Arkansas Bengal]

[quote name='oldschooler' date='29 July 2010 - 07:46 AM' timestamp='1280407610' post='900407']
[b][url="http://twitter.com/CinBengalsNFL"][color="#0a0501"]CinBengalsNFL[/color][/url][/b] Andre smith not dressed for practice
[url="http://twitter.com/CinBengalsNFL/status/19822691914"]1 minute ago[/url] via [url="http://twitter.com/devices"]txt[/url]
[/quote]

That's not good news...my biggest concern this year is the O-line. It doesn't matter how good your receivers are if your QB is lying on his back.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='oldschooler' date='29 July 2010 - 08:46 AM' timestamp='1280407610' post='900407']
[b][url="http://twitter.com/CinBengalsNFL"][color="#0a0501"]CinBengalsNFL[/color][/url][/b] [url=""] [/url] Andre smith not dressed for practice
[url="http://twitter.com/CinBengalsNFL/status/19822691914"]1 minute ago[/url] via [url="http://twitter.com/devices"]txt[/url]
[/quote]


so he's on the active PUP. Can practice at any point. They can also put him on the inactive PUP at any point too.

[alleycat]

So much of a bigger story than TO. All this receiver talk is nice, but I still firmly believe the reason our passing game sucked ass last year is that our O-line sucked ass last year. Palmer didn't get sacked because we ran the ball mostly, and he never took more than three step drops...
Not liking this...

[fluhartz]

[quote name='alleycat' date='29 July 2010 - 09:09 AM' timestamp='1280408943' post='900410']
So much of a bigger story than TO. All this receiver talk is nice, but I still firmly believe the reason our passing game sucked ass last year is that our O-line sucked ass last year. Palmer didn't get sacked because we ran the ball mostly, and he never took more than three step drops...
Not liking this...
[/quote]


this........

[mhfinks]

[quote name='Arkansas Bengal' date='29 July 2010 - 08:59 AM' timestamp='1280408385' post='900408']
That's not good news...my biggest concern this year is the O-line. It doesn't matter how good your receivers are if your QB is lying on his back.
[/quote]


x2

[mhfinks]

[b]Thursday update: Smith sidelined[/b]
By GEOFF HOBSON

Posted 25 minutes ago

[list][*][url="http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Thursday-update-Smith-sidelined/f005a4c2-7895-4ff0-953d-fa9dfdc2df36#"]a[/url][*][url="http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Thursday-update-Smith-sidelined/f005a4c2-7895-4ff0-953d-fa9dfdc2df36#"]a[/url][/list]GEORGETOWN, Ky. _ The Bengals took the field Thursday morning and opened training camp at Georgetown College with right tackle [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/andre-smith/5796e85d-6992-4b91-9630-fde615747967/"]Andre Smith[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/url] still on the sidelines.

Smith, who missed all of the last camp in a rookie holdout, was one of what appeared to be five players not suited up. The Bengals had hoped the foot surgery that knocked Smith out of all of the spring workouts would be healed enough for him to line up in the first practice.

Under hazy skies with a touch of a breeze, head coach Marvin Lewis commenced his eighth Bengals' camp in helmets and shorts. They aren't expected to go full pads until one of Saturday's two practices.

Also not working were cornerback [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/leon-hall/0f379744-8ae4-4952-8f53-75c2f38f43ec/"]Leon Hall[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/url], left guard [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/evan-mathis/5441042d-508f-441b-beb7-1fc18c8a62ca/"]Evan Mathis[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/url], SAM linebacker [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/rashad-jeanty/e4763c4a-1388-4886-84c2-6c5587e84277/"]Rashad Jeanty[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/url], and safety [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/tom-nelson/40c76f8e-8dbd-433e-8df6-ae8d095f8f56/"]Tom Nelson[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/url]. Hall apparently tweaked his back in a workout a few days ago and is expected to be out only briefly and could be back as soon as the weekend. Jeanty (leg) and Mathis (foot) are coming off surgeries.

If wide receiver Terrell Owens is going to get No. 81 when he signs later Thursday, it hasn't happened yet. Wide receiver [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/antonio-bryant/b152e282-c30e-4f4b-95e3-163089dca6eb/"]Antonio Bryant[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/url] took the field with it.



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[oldschooler]

[quote name='alleycat' date='29 July 2010 - 08:09 AM' timestamp='1280408943' post='900410']
So much of a bigger story than TO. All this receiver talk is nice, but [b]I still firmly believe the reason our passing game sucked ass last year is that our O-line sucked ass last year. [/b] Palmer didn't get sacked because we ran the ball mostly, and he never took more than three step drops...
Not liking this...
[/quote]



So why didn't the Bengals address the O-line this offseason then?
Even if Andre is the Opening Day starter, they will roll with 80% of that
suck ass O-line intact.

You notice all the additions to the skill positions though?

Why did the entire organization miss what you clearly see?

[Orange 'n Black]

We had a ton of inexperience on our line last year. Cook, Roland, and Livings had very little game experience and AC was moving to a new spot. I expect all four of these guys to improve as well as Andre (assuming he can play). This team has always been confident in its ability to develop players, and that's no different with this line. They are going to be better this year - book it.

[oldschooler]

Joe Reedy mentioned Jeanty was on the Active PUP. But only said
Andre Smith was not dressed for practice.

I asked him if he heard anything about Smith and the PUP.

Will post his reply, if/when I get it.

[Bengals1181]

I just can't see any way that Andre gets put on the inactive PUP. Certainly not this early in camp. They'll sit him for a week and see how he progresses. It won't take him another 2 months to heal.



Off topic, I really wish the NFL had a THREE week inactive PUP list.

[oldschooler]

[b][url="http://twitter.com/CinBengalsNFL"][color="#0a0501"]CinBengalsNFL[/color][/url][/b] [url=""] [/url] Roland at right tackle
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[alleycat]

[quote name='oldschooler' date='29 July 2010 - 09:25 AM' timestamp='1280409948' post='900421']
So why didn't the Bengals address the O-line this offseason then?
Even if Andre is the Opening Day starter, they will roll with 80% of that
suck ass O-line intact.

You notice all the additions to the skill positions though?

Why did the entire organization miss what you clearly see?
[/quote]

Oh, I'm guessing for two reasons. One, they relied on their crack medical staff that A. Smith would be alright. I think history defends me on the folly of this one over and over (and how we continue to dupe ourselves with it). Why the organization continues to miss these things, well, I'll let you explain that one.
Second, I don't think the Brown's placed anything higher than a 4-5 rd value on interior O-Line in the draft. That combined with an over-confidence in Alexander's ability to coach up players (all this talk about success of what he did with last year's guys I find hilarious, given that last year's line, uh, sucked), equals an under-addressed O-Line. Please show me ONE "project" O-lineman that he's developed successfully. And don't mention Andrews, Roland, Collins, etc. He's a great O-Line coach - if we draft them in Rd 1 or 2... God I miss McNally...
Now, I'd be happy as can be if one of our drafted guard's actually develops much faster than expected and our (WAY) overrated guards get replaced, but I don't see that happening...
I have a feeling many of us will be wishing before long that we used that third round pick on a serious O-Lineman rather than on a receiver that will be spending most of his time watching the game from the sidelines.
Got it?

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='alleycat' date='29 July 2010 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1280411597' post='900437']
Oh, I'm guessing for two reasons. One, they relied on their crack medical staff that A. Smith would be alright. I think history defends me on the folly of this one over and over (and how we continue to dupe ourselves with it). Why the organization continues to miss these things, well, I'll let you explain that one.
Second, I don't think the Brown's placed anything higher than a 4-5 rd value on interior O-Line in the draft. That combined with an over-confidence in Alexander's ability to coach up players (all this talk about success of what he did with last year's guys I find hilarious, given that last year's line, uh, sucked), equals an under-addressed O-Line. Please show me ONE "project" O-lineman that he's developed successfully. [b]And don't mention Andrews, Roland, Collins, etc. [/b]He's a great O-Line coach - if we draft them in Rd 1 or 2... God I miss McNally...
Now, I'd be happy as can be if one of our drafted guard's actually develops much faster than expected and our (WAY) overrated guards get replaced, but I don't see that happening...
I have a feeling many of us will be wishing before long that we used that third round pick on a serious O-Lineman rather than on a receiver that will be spending most of his time watching the game from the sidelines.
Got it?
[/quote]



lol. "Show me an example, but don't you any of the ones that are true"

He took an oline with 3 undrafted first year starters and turned them into a dominant running team and a playoff oline.


Do I get to use Kyle Cook? Or does he not count in your eyes either?

[oldschooler]

[quote name='alleycat' date='29 July 2010 - 08:53 AM' timestamp='1280411597' post='900437']
Oh, I'm guessing for two reasons. One, they relied on their crack medical staff that A. Smith would be alright. I think history defends me on the folly of this one over and over (and how we continue to dupe ourselves with it). Why the organization continues to miss these things, well, I'll let you explain that one.[/quote]

Every team has players that take longer than expected to get healthy.

Carson Palmer had a career threatening injury, twice.
The first time, he never missed a game.

Also, several players that were injured last season, are on the field today.
And a few are not.

Smith had a surgery in February that was supposed to take 10 weeks to heal.
I am pretty sure that 10 weeks was supposed to be up sometime in May.
But over 2 months past that date, and that is somehow the team's fault?



[quote]Second, I don't think the Brown's placed anything higher than a 4-5 rd value on interior O-Line in the draft. That combined with an over-confidence in Alexander's ability to coach up players (all this talk about success of what he did with last year's guys I find hilarious, given that last year's line, uh, sucked), equals an under-addressed O-Line. Please show me ONE "project" O-lineman that he's developed successfully. And don't mention Andrews, Roland, Collins, etc. He's a great O-Line coach - if we draft them in Rd 1 or 2... God I miss McNally...[/quote]


They drafted Steinbach and Whitworth in the 2nd rounds. Both started as Guards.

They drafted Stacy Andrews in the 4th round. He was a starting Tackle.


And Kyle Cook seems to be successful. You said name one. There ya go.

[quote]Now, I'd be happy as can be if one of our drafted guard's actually develops much faster than expected and our (WAY) overrated guards get replaced, but I don't see that happening...
I have a feeling many of us will be wishing before long that we used that third round pick on a serious O-Lineman than on a receiver that will be spending most of his time watching the game from the sidelines.

Got it?
[/quote]

Oh I got it. You think the Bengals went after skill position players because
they are dumb and you aren't.

Way overrated Guards? Bobbie Williams is overrated?

And I have a feeling you will be happy they drafted Shipley.

[happyrid]

[quote name='alleycat' date='29 July 2010 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1280411597' post='900437']
Oh, I'm guessing for two reasons. One, they relied on their crack medical staff that A. Smith would be alright. I think history defends me on the folly of this one over and over (and how we continue to dupe ourselves with it). Why the organization continues to miss these things, well, I'll let you explain that one.
Second, I don't think the Brown's placed anything higher than a 4-5 rd value on interior O-Line in the draft. That combined with an over-confidence in Alexander's ability to coach up players (all this talk about success of what he did with last year's guys I find hilarious, given that last year's line, uh, sucked), equals an under-addressed O-Line. Please show me ONE "project" O-lineman that he's developed successfully. And don't mention Andrews, Roland, Collins, etc. He's a great O-Line coach - if we draft them in Rd 1 or 2... God I miss McNally...
Now, I'd be happy as can be if one of our drafted guard's actually develops much faster than expected and our (WAY) overrated guards get replaced, but I don't see that happening...
I have a feeling many of us will be wishing before long that we used that third round pick on a serious O-Lineman rather than on a receiver that will be spending most of his time watching the game from the sidelines.
Got it?
[/quote]

I disagree with you. I thought our O line was pretty solid last year, especially with 3 guys basically starting for the first times in their careers. The run blocking was great and the pass protection was about league average.

Cook is a perfect example of a guy who Alexander coached up. That guy is a legitimately good center and was an undrafted free agent.

[alleycat]

Meh... I'm not sold on Cook. But he's definitely a close call to argue against me. This season will tell. I hope he proves me wrong. He got burnt quite a bit last season.
Steinbach and Whit don't count. Both high 2nd rounders.
As for Bobbie Williams. Yep. Overrated. Absolutely. Many memories of him whiffing completely last year. And this year? Older.
Again, I PRAY that I am wrong. I PRAY that this line will gel more after spending a year together. I pray that we will settle on someone at LG and stick with him and that will help our entire interior O-Line. And I PRAY MORE THAN ANYTHING that Andre Smith will be able to play RT, because if he doesn't...
But don't let last year's rushing stats tell you anything. Anyone in the league would have those numbers if they regularly put 6 men on the Oline like we did (a tendency where we blew the rest of the league out of the water in terms of frequency). And the reason we kept running those lines? Because our Pass blocking sucked. So what happened when we faced a team with decent corners? They played the run, and we were toast. See the end of last season for examples.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='alleycat' date='29 July 2010 - 10:17 AM' timestamp='1280413044' post='900459']
Meh... I'm not sold on Cook. But he's definitely a close call to argue against me. This season will tell. I hope he proves me wrong. He got burnt quite a bit last season.
Steinbach and Whit don't count. Both high 2nd rounders.
As for Bobbie Williams. Yep. Overrated. Absolutely. Many memories of him whiffing completely last year. And this year? Older.
Again, I PRAY that I am wrong. I PRAY that this line will gel more after spending a year together. I pray that we will settle on someone at LG and stick with him and that will help our entire interior O-Line. And I PRAY MORE THAN ANYTHING that Andre Smith will be able to play RT, because if he doesn't...
But don't let last year's rushing stats tell you anything. Anyone in the league would have those numbers if they regularly put 6 men on the Oline like we did (a tendency where we blew the rest of the league out of the water in terms of frequency). And the reason we kept running those lines? Because our Pass blocking sucked. So what happened when we faced a team with decent corners? They played the run, and we were toast. See the end of last season for examples.
[/quote]


so the truth, just because you do't believe it, doesn't count?