Willie Anderson says Andre Smith will start training camp on PUP

[Le Tigre]

I recall their hope was to have the base 5 linemen to be able to handle all the blocking chores alone--without all of the extra tackle/extra TE packages being necessary?

No Andre=hello packages (again). That will trickle down to not having as many WR's on the field at the same time...keeping the FB in to block...less plays involving Gresham/Coffman?

Everything begins and ends with the stability of this line.

[|kennethmw|]

[quote name='alleycat' date='29 July 2010 - 10:17 AM' timestamp='1280413044' post='900459']
Meh... I'm not sold on Cook. But he's definitely a close call to argue against me. This season will tell. I hope he proves me wrong. He got burnt quite a bit last season.
Steinbach and Whit don't count. Both high 2nd rounders.
As for Bobbie Williams. Yep. Overrated. Absolutely. Many memories of him whiffing completely last year. And this year? Older.
Again, I PRAY that I am wrong. I PRAY that this line will gel more after spending a year together. I pray that we will settle on someone at LG and stick with him and that will help our entire interior O-Line. And I PRAY MORE THAN ANYTHING that Andre Smith will be able to play RT, because if he doesn't...
But don't let last year's rushing stats tell you anything. Anyone in the league would have those numbers if they regularly put 6 men on the Oline like we did (a tendency where we blew the rest of the league out of the water in terms of frequency). And the reason we kept running those lines? Because our Pass blocking sucked. So what happened when we faced a team with decent corners? [b]They played the run, and we were toast.[/b] See the end of last season for examples.
[/quote]

are you trying to say the jets played the run, and dominated our run O? I seem to remember that in the real game, ced went for like 170, didn't he? The problem was skill in the receiver groups, both WR and TE, and based on the off season actions, it seems that the team management feels the same way.

[oldschooler]

[quote name='alleycat' date='29 July 2010 - 09:17 AM' timestamp='1280413044' post='900459']
Meh... I'm not sold on Cook. But he's definitely a close call to argue against me. This season will tell. I hope he proves me wrong. He got burnt quite a bit last season.
Steinbach and Whit don't count. Both high 2nd rounders.
As for Bobbie Williams. Yep. Overrated. Absolutely. Many memories of him whiffing completely last year. And this year? Older.
Again, I PRAY that I am wrong. I PRAY that this line will gel more after spending a year together. I pray that we will settle on someone at LG and stick with him and that will help our entire interior O-Line. And I PRAY MORE THAN ANYTHING that Andre Smith will be able to play RT, because if he doesn't...
But don't let last year's rushing stats tell you anything. Anyone in the league would have those numbers if they regularly put 6 men on the Oline like we did (a tendency where we blew the rest of the league out of the water in terms of frequency). And the reason we kept running those lines? Because our Pass blocking sucked. So what happened when we faced a team with decent corners? They played the run, and we were toast. See the end of last season for examples.
[/quote]



You said the Bengals "(Brown's) don't put anything higher than a 4-5 rd value on interior O-Line in the draft."
Now you say Steinbach and Whitworth don't count because they were high 2nd rounders?

And I don't think Bobbie is overrated at all. He is solid.

A lot of teams use an unbalanced line. The Bengals did it in the past. Not just last year.
The Ravens and Jets used it as much if not more than the Bengals did. Except we
had a lot of inexperience last season.


And I think the fact we had only one WR that was a true threat to get open, and NO TEs that
could catch the freaking ball was the problem. At least that is what I saw. Again, the Bengals
recievers lead the NFL in fumbles. And had something like 35-40 drops.

[|kennethmw|]

[quote name='Le Tigre' date='29 July 2010 - 10:21 AM' timestamp='1280413300' post='900463']
I recall their hope was to have the base 5 linemen to be able to handle all the blocking chores alone--without all of the extra tackle/extra TE packages being necessary?

No Andre=hello packages (again). That will trickle down to not having as many WR's on the field at the same time...keeping the FB in to block...less plays involving Gresham/Coffman?

Everything begins and ends with the stability of this line.
[/quote]

I think more of that was because they didn't have a TE that could block worth a shit, but that's just me.

[Bengals1181]

[quote name='Le Tigre' date='29 July 2010 - 10:21 AM' timestamp='1280413300' post='900463']
I recall their hope was to have the base 5 linemen to be able to handle all the blocking chores alone--without all of the extra tackle/extra TE packages being necessary?

No Andre=hello packages (again). That will trickle down to not having as many WR's on the field at the same time...keeping the FB in to block...less plays involving Gresham/Coffman?

Everything begins and ends with the stability of this line.
[/quote]


yes an no. the packages were also because teams stacked the box with 8 guys because they didn't fear the passing game. They can't do that now.


Also, as kenneth said, the lack of a quality blocking TE caused them to use 6-man lines more often too.


with Reggie back, 6 man fronts go away (for the most part) and the no-huddle makes a comeback.

[B.A.B.]

[quote name='oldschooler' date='29 July 2010 - 09:25 AM' timestamp='1280409948' post='900421']
So why didn't the Bengals address the O-line this offseason then?
Even if Andre is the Opening Day starter, they will roll with 80% of that
suck ass O-line intact.

You notice all the additions to the skill positions though?

Why did the entire organization miss what you clearly see?
[/quote]

This organization doesn't exactly make the right move every time.

[bengaled]

[quote name='JC' date='29 July 2010 - 01:53 AM' timestamp='1280382820' post='900361']
Okay..so when that moron Paul Alexander started AC at LT against Pittsburgh his rookie year and kept Whit at LG and AC manhandled Harrison it was moronic? C'mon. You act like you saw a ton of snaps from AC at right tackle..when he didn't get that much burn.

We will just have to agree to disagree because this thread is already going to far off-topic. But the whole everyone who thinks moving Whit is a moronic idea seems a little over the top. He's good..not as good as a lot of people make him out to be..


Hope Dre can get it straight and this is Willie trying to stir the pot..(go figure).
[/quote]

collins does belong on the left side, but he's never shown me anything that says he's a better option than whitworth. maybe one day he'll get there, we'll see. he is totally out of place on the right side. i've always wanted to see them work him more at LG and think in time he could excel there. i think that would be his best position.

[JC]

[quote name='bengaled' date='29 July 2010 - 11:37 AM' timestamp='1280417863' post='900483']
collins does belong on the left side, but he's never shown me anything that says he's a better option than whitworth. maybe one day he'll get there, we'll see. he is totally out of place on the right side. i've always wanted to see them work him more at LG and think in time he could excel there. i think that would be his best position.
[/quote]
That's what I'm saying. He may not be better than Whit, but he damn sure is better than Roland. They need to find a way to get Roland off the field on passing downs. He is more than a liability. He is a toxic hazard.

[JC]

Marv said two to three weeks. But then he said if that didn't work..he could go on PUP. Doesn't really sound good..

Wasn't cleared for contact..needs work on conditioning.

[|High School Harry|]

[quote name='oldschooler' date='28 July 2010 - 11:09 PM' timestamp='1280372968' post='900316']
Shaun Smith's twitter . . .


[b][url="http://twitter.com/sjs91"][color="#0a0501"]sjs91[/color][/url][/b] [url=""] [/url] @[url="http://twitter.com/WillAnderson79"][color="#0a0501"]WillAnderson79[/color][/url] man stopit
[url="http://twitter.com/sjs91/status/19793279475"]2 minutes ago[/url] via [url="http://mobile.twitter.com/"]Twitter for Android[/url] [url="http://twitter.com/WillAnderson79/status/19792426465"]in reply to WillAnderson79[/url]
[/quote]

Silly Willie spouts crap out his blow hole not-too subtly pimping himself for a job and its contradicted by
Shaun "Rhymes with 'Gone'" Smith.

Anyone else besides me see any ridiculous humor in that?
I wonder if they were both tweeting from The Old Ass Hat's Home?
Sheesh.

[mhfinks]

[b]SMITH OUT:[/b] A big surprise surfaced when the Bengals took the field Thursday morning with right tackle [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/andre-smith/5796e85d-6992-4b91-9630-fde615747967/"]Andre Smith[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/url] still on the sidelines and [b][u]he revealed after the workout that he's shooting to play in the final two preseason games.[/u][/b]

Smith, who missed all of the last camp in a rookie holdout, was one of what appeared to be five players not suited up. The Bengals had hoped the foot surgery that knocked Smith out of all of the spring workouts would be healed enough for him to line up in the first practice, but he said it's not there yet and they don't want to rush it. As for when he'll return to practice, he said "I'm taking it day by day."

Under hazy skies with a touch of a breeze, head coach Marvin Lewis commenced his eighth Bengals' camp in helmets and shorts. They aren't expected to go full pads until one of Saturday's two practices.

Also not working were cornerback [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/leon-hall/0f379744-8ae4-4952-8f53-75c2f38f43ec/"]Leon Hall[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/url], left guard [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/evan-mathis/5441042d-508f-441b-beb7-1fc18c8a62ca/"]Evan Mathis[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/url], SAM linebacker [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/rashad-jeanty/e4763c4a-1388-4886-84c2-6c5587e84277/"]Rashad Jeanty[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/url], and safety [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/tom-nelson/40c76f8e-8dbd-433e-8df6-ae8d095f8f56/"]Tom Nelson[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/url]. Hall apparently tweaked his back in a workout a few days ago and is expected to be out only briefly and could be back as soon as the weekend. Jeanty (leg) and Mathis (foot) are coming off surgeries.



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[oldschooler]

[quote name='B.A.B.' date='29 July 2010 - 10:35 AM' timestamp='1280417704' post='900481']
This organization doesn't exactly make the right move every time.
[/quote]



Who said they do?

The point is, they made no move at all at that position.

So you think they totally ignored that position and focused soley on the skill positions
because they are stupid?

[JC]

# Lewis says Smith about 2-3 weeks away from on field work. Could be placed though on the actual PUP list #bengals 23 minutes ago via Twittelator

# Jeanty, Nelson, Mathis, Hall and Smith on active PUP list #bengals 25 minutes ago via Twittelator

Joe Reedy.

[oldschooler]

[b][url="http://twitter.com/joereedy"][color="#0a0501"]joereedy[/color][/url][/b] [url=""] [/url] Jeanty, Nelson, Mathis, Hall and Smith on active PUP list [url="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23bengals"][color="#0a0501"]#bengals[/color][/url]
[url="http://twitter.com/joereedy/status/19835570521"]29 minutes ago[/url] via [url="http://stone.com/Twittelator"]Twittelator[/url]

[Arkansas Bengal]

[quote name='JC' date='29 July 2010 - 11:16 AM' timestamp='1280420179' post='900504']
# Lewis says Smith about 2-3 weeks away from on field work. Could be placed though on the actual PUP list #bengals 23 minutes ago via Twittelator

# Jeanty, Nelson, Mathis, Hall and Smith on active PUP list #bengals 25 minutes ago via Twittelator

Joe Reedy.
[/quote]

That sucks...I guess we should have taken Ohr.

[oldschooler]

[b][url="http://twitter.com/apjoekay"][color="#0a0501"]apjoekay[/color][/url][/b] [url=""] [/url] [url="http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bengals"][color="#0a0501"]#Bengals[/color][/url] OL Andre Smith being held out of practice "to get his conditioning and things the way it should be," Marvin Lewis says.
[url="http://twitter.com/apjoekay/status/19837108893"]16 minutes ago[/url] via [url="http://www.tweetdeck.com/"]TweetDeck[/url]

[oldschooler]

[b][size="5"]Andre Smith out another 2-3 weeks[/size][/b]
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 29, 2010 12:06 PM ET


Marvin Lewis spoke to a large media contingent Thursday that was hoping to talk to [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=718"]Terrell Owens[/url]. But the Bengals coach was still able to break some news.

Bengals second year tackle [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5099"]Andre Smith[/url] will miss [url="http://twitter.com/joereedy/status/19835715617"]at least the next 2-3 weeks of training camp[/url] as he continues to recover from his surgically repaired foot. (Smith was expected to be ready for camp.) As Joe Reedy of the [i]Cincinnati Enquirer[/i] points out, that sort of timetable makes the regular season [url="http://twitter.com/joereedy/status/19835715617"]physically unable to perform list[/url] a possibility.

T.O. and [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2003"]Antonio Bryant[/url] are good for headlines, but Smith is far more important to the Bengals offense this year. The Bengals offensive line was a pleasant surprise in 2009, but Smith was expected to provide a boost this season.

[url="http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2010/07/29/live-blog-marvin-lewis-press-conference/"]Bryant's health was also a popular question[/url] on Thursday, but Lewis said that Bryant's reported knee troubles did not play into the decision to sign Owens. Asked how Bryant looked today, Lewis said, "We've had one practice, OK?"

Bryant will be limited to one practice a day as he gets healthy, which means T.O. should be able to line up across from [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2544"]Chad Ochocinco[/url] when the Bengals convene for their evening practice.



[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/29/andre-smith-out-another-2-3-weeks/"]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/29/andre-smith-out-another-2-3-weeks/[/url]

[bengaled]

[quote name='JC' date='29 July 2010 - 11:40 AM' timestamp='1280418028' post='900485']
That's what I'm saying. He may not be better than Whit, but he damn sure is better than Roland. They need to find a way to get Roland off the field on passing downs. He is more than a liability. He is a toxic hazard.
[/quote]

...but that's not what i was saying.

[Tigris]

Roland will only get better. We'll be fine.

[bengaled]

where oh where could we find a legitimate part time replacement at RT to protect carson palmer and clear running lanes for ced... a veteran guy who knows the playbook and could give us snaps until andre's up to par...a guy who'd then be willing to move to the sidelines on standby for the rest of the year? where oh where can that guy be? if this TRUELY is a season where we're shooting for the super bowl, wouldn't it be worth checking such a guy out for the small outlay of cash that it would likely cost? oh where oh where......

[eva4ben-gal]

[quote name='bengaled' date='29 July 2010 - 01:11 PM' timestamp='1280423498' post='900534']
where oh where could we find a legitimate part time replacement at RT to protect carson palmer and clear running lanes for ced... a veteran guy who knows the playbook and could give us snaps until andre's up to par...a guy who'd then be willing to move to the sidelines on standby for the rest of the year? where oh where can that guy be? if this TRUELY is a season where we're shooting for the super bowl, wouldn't it be worth checking such a guy out for the small outlay of cash that it would likely cost? oh where oh where......
[/quote]
Didn't the coaches change the blocking scheme after Willie left? If so, he really wouldn't know the playbook all that well. I don't think a tired old has been is any better than a fit young guy, hungry to make a spot for himself on the team. If Andre can't go right away, let Roland and Collins battle it out in camp again. One of them may have improved enough that you don't need to use a rotating line like they did last year.
Despite all the worry about Andre and what to do at RT, my biggest concern with a line is still LG where Mathis and Livings proved to be weak points in pass protection down the stretch of the season.
At least when the rush is coming from the right side Carson can see it and step up in the pocket. If the LG can't contain his man, like happened so many times last season, Carson ends up stepping into a rusher from his blind side. That is bad.

[BengalsNYC]

[quote name='oldschooler' date='29 July 2010 - 12:29 PM' timestamp='1280420967' post='900512']
[b][size="5"]Andre Smith out another 2-3 weeks[/size][/b]
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 29, 2010 12:06 PM ET


Marvin Lewis spoke to a large media contingent Thursday that was hoping to talk to [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=718"]Terrell Owens[/url]. But the Bengals coach was still able to break some news.

Bengals second year tackle [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5099"]Andre Smith[/url] will miss [url="http://twitter.com/joereedy/status/19835715617"]at least the next 2-3 weeks of training camp[/url] as he continues to recover from his surgically repaired foot. (Smith was expected to be ready for camp.) As Joe Reedy of the [i]Cincinnati Enquirer[/i] points out, that sort of timetable makes the regular season [url="http://twitter.com/joereedy/status/19835715617"]physically unable to perform list[/url] a possibility.

T.O. and [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2003"]Antonio Bryant[/url] are good for headlines, but Smith is far more important to the Bengals offense this year. The Bengals offensive line was a pleasant surprise in 2009, but Smith was expected to provide a boost this season.

[url="http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2010/07/29/live-blog-marvin-lewis-press-conference/"]Bryant's health was also a popular question[/url] on Thursday, but Lewis said that Bryant's reported knee troubles did not play into the decision to sign Owens. Asked how Bryant looked today, Lewis said, "We've had one practice, OK?"

Bryant will be limited to one practice a day as he gets healthy, which means T.O. should be able to line up across from [url="http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=2544"]Chad Ochocinco[/url] when the Bengals convene for their evening practice.



[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/29/andre-smith-out-another-2-3-weeks/"]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/29/andre-smith-out-another-2-3-weeks/[/url]
[/quote]

This is officially worrisome. So it looks like Andre's foot isn't 100% which isn't allowing him to workout properly thus he is out of shape for training camp. Some guys have trouble keeping weight on, Andre clearly doesn't have such issues. He's always going to fight his weight and a bum wheel severely hinders his ability to do that.

He's going to once again be behind all of training camp simply b/c even when he is physically cleared for contact he will be eased back.

[coup000]

This should be the biggest worry for the team. If he can't b counted on to be healthy for the season, we are back to worrying about our right side pass pro and that isn't good for Carsons confidence or the passing game. Since it is an uncapped year, maybe a trade? One of our WR's for a serviceable RT?

[eva4ben-gal]

[quote name='coup000' date='29 July 2010 - 01:32 PM' timestamp='1280424761' post='900541']
This should be the biggest worry for the team. If he can't b counted on to be healthy for the season, we are back to worrying about our right side pass pro and that isn't good for Carsons confidence or the passing game. Since it is an uncapped year, maybe a trade? One of our WR's for a serviceable RT?
[/quote]
We already have serviceable RT's. If you're going to trade in an attempt to solidify a SB roster, you better be going for more than serviceable.

[bengaled]

[quote name='eva4ben-gal' date='29 July 2010 - 01:21 PM' timestamp='1280424070' post='900536']
Didn't the coaches change the blocking scheme after Willie left? If so, he really wouldn't know the playbook all that well. I don't think a tired old has been is any better than a fit young guy, hungry to make a spot for himself on the team. If Andre can't go right away, let Roland and Collins battle it out in camp again. One of them may have improved enough that you don't need to use a rotating line like they did last year.
Despite all the worry about Andre and what to do at RT, my biggest concern with a line is still LG where Mathis and Livings proved to be weak points in pass protection down the stretch of the season.
[/quote]
i think we can pretty much assume willie could pick up the playbook in a limited amount of time. as to hoping those concerns at RT would magically just go away this year? gotta shake my head on that one, as i'm not expecting it. maybe with a healthy reggie kelly chipping, we can get by. still wouldn't mind seeing the big guy brought back in for a one year insurance policy. let him have a shot at getting that ring while helping to ensure the rest of the team has a shot at the same. he's probably the only guy out there that would fit in the small category of what we need here. it would take some fences being mended, but make for a wonderful ending to a great story.