The Left Hand of Frerotte Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Keith Rivers Jerome Simpson Pat Sims Andre Caldwell [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2008/draft/players/20902.html"]Anthony Collins[/url] Jason Shirley Corey Lynch Matthew Sherry Angelo Craig Mario Urrutia Ouch. I suppose you got what you paid for in Caldwell. A 3rd round pick gave you a few decent years in the slot. Pims is still on the team and good run stopper. Other than that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haigin88 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 RIvers: D. Soft. No heart. No toughness. He makes Brian Simmons look like a decent player Simpson: D. Sims: C Caldwell: B- Shirley: D Lynch: F Sherry: F Craig: F Urrutia: F Zero pro bowlers. Zero impact players. Give it a D. Or maybe a C- since Rivers/Simpson were starters. Well below average, but at least they weren’t Sean Brewer or Lamont Thompson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lslmustang Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 I was looking at previous drafts earlier too... that didn't net us a whole bunch eh? 2008 netted P Sims... that's about it... D 2005.... 1 LB David Pollack Georgia Retired 2 LB Odell Thurman Georgia Released 3 WR Chris Henry West Virginia Deceased 4 C Eric Ghiaciuc Central Michigan Free Agency 5 T Adam Kieft Central Michigan Free Agency 6 WR Tab Perry UCLA Free Agency 7 DE Jonathan Fanene Utah Free Agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Had to look it up, but I'm a little surprised Angelo Craig didn't stick on a NFL roster actually, I always thought at the very least he'd be a demon on ST's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lslmustang Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='Haigin88' timestamp='1335403270' post='1121715'] Well below average, but at least they weren’t Sean Brewer or Lamont Thompson. [/quote] OMG, I blocked those picks from my memory!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan850 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 forgot anthony collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Left Hand of Frerotte Posted April 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='bengalsfan850' timestamp='1335403811' post='1121720'] forgot anthony collins [/quote] Good call. Just updated it. Definitely helps the draft out but it's still a D in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocalBengalEd Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 D- Horrible draft. Sims is the best of the bunch. Rivers was garbage. Simpson played one season and left, change it to a F how can it really be any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan850 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='The Left Hand of Frerotte' timestamp='1335404031' post='1121723'] Good call. Just updated it. Definitely helps the draft out but it's still a D in my book. [/quote] yeah it was definatelly a lost draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='Haigin88' timestamp='1335403270' post='1121715'] RIvers: D. Soft. No heart. No toughness. [b]He makes Brian Simmons look like a decent player[/b] Simpson: D. Sims: C Caldwell: B- Shirley: D Lynch: F Sherry: F Craig: F Urrutia: F Zero pro bowlers. Zero impact players. Give it a D. Or maybe a C- since Rivers/Simpson were starters. Well below average, but at least they weren’t Sean Brewer or Lamont Thompson. [/quote] Brian Simmons WAS a decent player. In fact, I'd say he was a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.A.B. Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Brian Simmons was good. He just got old. And I give it a D. A fucking D-. Rivers sucked ass. What a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan850 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 i used to defend rivers but being honest that guy didn't do shit and was a non-factor he was just a guy out there, we didn't get much out of jerome either, we got pretty good returns out of caldwell, sims, and collins, everyone else we got zero from D+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='lslmustang' timestamp='1335403336' post='1121716'] I was looking at previous drafts earlier too... that didn't net us a whole bunch eh? 2008 netted P Sims... that's about it... D 2005.... 1 LB David Pollack Georgia Retired 2 LB Odell Thurman Georgia Released 3 WR Chris Henry West Virginia Deceased 4 C Eric Ghiaciuc Central Michigan Free Agency 5 T Adam Kieft Central Michigan Free Agency 6 WR Tab Perry UCLA Free Agency 7 DE Jonathan Fanene Utah Free Agency [/quote] 2007 ... Hall and Dopes... [font=verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/1.html"]1[/url] 18 (18) [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/19888.html"]Leon Hall[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/cb.html"]CB[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/364.html"]Michigan[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/2.html"]2[/url] 17 (49) [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/2458.html"]Kenny Irons[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/rb.html"]RB[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/83.html"]Auburn[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/4.html"]4[/url] 15 (114) [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/43667.html"]Marvin White[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/s.html"]S[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/93.html"]TCU[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/5.html"]5[/url] 14 (151) [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/1801.html"]Jeff Rowe[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/qb.html"]QB[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/56.html"]Nevada[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/6.html"]6[/url] 13 (187) [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/49250.html"]Simi Toeaina[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/dt.html"]DT[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/73.html"]Oregon[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/7.html"]7[/url] 20 (230) [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/2395.html"]Dan Santucci[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/g.html"]G[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/103.html"]Notre Dame[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_round/7.html"]7[/url]* 43 (253) [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/7362.html"]Chinedum Ndukwe[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_position/s.html"]S[/url] [url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/breakdowns/by_school/103.html"]Notre Dame[/url] [/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haigin88 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='Jason' timestamp='1335405009' post='1121732'] Brian Simmons WAS a decent player. In fact, I'd say he was a good player. [/quote] Nope. If he was drafted by the Ravens/Steelers he would have lasted 2 years and barely played. He played on a sucky D and did nothing of note. He left here and did nothing with teh Saints in 1 year and was out of the NFL. He was a turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='Haigin88' timestamp='1335409997' post='1121768'] Nope. If he was drafted by the Ravens/Steelers he would have lasted 2 years and barely played. He played on a sucky D and did nothing of note. He left here and did nothing with teh Saints in 1 year and was out of the NFL. He was a turd. [/quote] and you are full of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='Haigin88' timestamp='1335409997' post='1121768'] Nope. If he was drafted by the Ravens/Steelers he would have lasted 2 years and barely played. He played on a sucky D and did nothing of note. He left here and did nothing with teh Saints in 1 year and was out of the NFL. He was a turd. [/quote] That's dumb. He was drafted by Lebeau. This draft is a d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The PatternMaster Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='Haigin88' timestamp='1335409997' post='1121768'] Nope. If he was drafted by the Ravens/Steelers he would have lasted 2 years and barely played. He played on a sucky D and did nothing of note. He left here and did nothing with teh Saints in 1 year and was out of the NFL. He was a turd. [/quote] What is your definition of "sucky" defense. The problem for Simmons was during the prime of his career the Bengals were god awful, by the time Marvin got here and got things turned around he was on the downward slope of his career. Had Marvin had Takeo and Brian when they were rookies they would have been Pro Bowl, or at least I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 The 2005 draft is the could have been draft. Could have been our best draft ever. If Pollack would not have been hurt, if Odell could have stayed clean, if Henry could have stayed around etc... Even the later round guys played well considering their draft position although Ghiachick gave me ulcers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='SF2' timestamp='1335444119' post='1121832'] The 2005 draft is the could have been draft. Could have been our best draft ever. If Pollack would not have been hurt, if Odell could have stayed clean, if Henry could have stayed around etc... Even the later round guys played well considering their draft position although Ghiachick gave me ulcers. [/quote] Agreed. In December 2005 that class looked like one of the best all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='The PatternMaster' timestamp='1335414856' post='1121786'] What is your definition of "sucky" defense. The problem for Simmons was during the prime of his career the Bengals were god awful, by the time Marvin got here and got things turned around he was on the downward slope of his career. Had Marvin had Takeo and Brian when they were rookies they would have been Pro Bowl, or at least I believe. [/quote] Exactly right. There were a few high quality players matched with players that were in prominent starting roles at Franchise positions that in reality were bottom of the roster guys. It's crazy that Bengal fans try to hold those quality players accountable. Look no further than the CB situation they had during those years. A bunch of 4th and 5th corners filling your top spots. You aren't going to be able to do anything with a Burris, Hawkins, Tom Harris manning your CB spots at those points in their career. It's crazy to think about. Rod Jones at fucking left tackle???? Really? Akili Smith? Oh my god, horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 7 of those picks are still playing in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1335445155' post='1121847'] 7 of those picks are still playing in the NFL. [/quote] True. Doesn't speak to well about the coaching staff as far as development. It comes back down to the relationship of Marvin and Mike. Did Marvin want those players? If he did, then why are they forced off the roster with marginal Free Agents? If he didn't, then why aren't they developing because they are still in the NFL. Frustrating class for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatcat Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1335445155' post='1121847'] 7 of those picks are still playing in the NFL. [/quote] I found this quote from Marvin very very interesting from his presser and may speak to a shift in draft strategy over the last couple of years: [i][b]"One of the projects I give the offensive coaches is to rank the top 50 offensive prospects from our standpoint. That will be a little different than the way basically the board is structured. How do guys fit us, and if you had your druthers, which guy would you prefer, and why he fits us. We do that on offense and defense both". [/b][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='Phatcat' timestamp='1335445657' post='1121853'] I found this quote from Marvin very very interesting from his presser and may speak to a shift in draft strategy over the last couple of years: [i][b]"One of the projects I give the offensive coaches is to rank the top 50 offensive prospects from our standpoint. That will be a little different than the way basically the board is structured. How do guys fit us, and if you had your druthers, which guy would you prefer, and why he fits us. We do that on offense and defense both". [/b][/i] [/quote] x2. IMO this is exactly what Marvin meant after his last contract ended about having a set philosophy for the team and bringing in guys that fit that philosophy, not just bringing in guys because you think you're getting a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyInDC Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 2008 Draft: I give it an F+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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