Hooky Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 This may have been discussed, but under Hue, will they enlist a real FB? If so, it's a shame they released John Connor. Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 We definitely should use a true FB and let Charles go back to being a TE. But it was Hue who didn't want to keep a FB last season. You may remember on Hard Knocks when Gruden was complaining about it. Conner is under contract with the Giants for 2014 so he's not an option currently. But there are always vet FBs floating around and we could get one in the draft in round 6 or 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASTYNATI Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I hope that they bring back the FB, the run game suffered as a result. I always liked Pressley he should be healthy at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 In an interview earlier this year Hue seemed to say that he wanted a true FB again but that he would make due with whatever he was given. I completely agree on the John Conner idea, he was a stud. The guy he replaced in New York is a free agent now. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/hynocerous-nearing-extinction-giants-article-1.1709237 Although he has had a series of injuries. I am all for bringing in a vet FB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 In an interview earlier this year Hue seemed to say that he wanted a true FB again but that he would make due with whatever he was given. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Link? its much ado about nothing. He was asked if a fullback was important and said yes. He was then asked if it needed to be a true fullback, and he didn't really answer either way. A couple places like Cincyjungle have taken the quote out of context to think that Hue wants a true FB. I don't see it happening. Hue didn't have a true FB in Oakland, and he's the one that pushed hard for Charles at FB. That said, if they did want to bring in someone new, I like Trey Millard of Oklahoma. He's kind of like a RB, but has experience as a FB getting in there and doing the dirty work. That versatility they could use. A FB who can also give you carries and can also catch. He's like Burkhead, with fullback experience (and I still think Burkhead could play FB if needed). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbv5aihfbrU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 its much ado about nothing. He was asked if a fullback was important and said yes. He was then asked if it needed to be a true fullback, and he didn't really answer either way. A couple places like Cincyjungle have taken the quote out of context to think that Hue wants a true FB. I don't see it happening. Hue didn't have a true FB in Oakland, and he's the one that pushed hard for Charles at FB. That said, if they did want to bring in someone new, I like Trey Millard of Oklahoma. He's kind of like a RB, but has experience as a FB getting in there and doing the dirty work. That versatility they could use. A FB who can also give you carries and can also catch. He's like Burkhead, with fullback experience (and I still think Burkhead could play FB if needed). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbv5aihfbrU http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Hue-Jackson-combine-transcript/09c0a801-bb8a-4701-bd9a-3b9152fe2286 Q: Do you need a fullback? HJ: Yeah. You do need a fullback on the football team. Q: Can Orson (Charles) do it? HJ: We’re going to find out. Q: Do you need a traditional fullback, like a John Conner? HJ: What I would love to have is that I’m going to take whatever the organization’s going to give me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texbengal Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 its much ado about nothing. He was asked if a fullback was important and said yes. He was then asked if it needed to be a true fullback, and he didn't really answer either way. A couple places like Cincyjungle have taken the quote out of context to think that Hue wants a true FB. I don't see it happening. Hue didn't have a true FB in Oakland, and he's the one that pushed hard for Charles at FB. That said, if they did want to bring in someone new, I like Trey Millard of Oklahoma. He's kind of like a RB, but has experience as a FB getting in there and doing the dirty work. That versatility they could use. A FB who can also give you carries and can also catch. He's like Burkhead, with fullback experience (and I still think Burkhead could play FB if needed). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbv5aihfbrU Millard is an ace on STs, too. He's coming off a pretty significant knee injury, so I'm guessing that will affect where he's drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Millard is an ace on STs, too. He's coming off a pretty significant knee injury, so I'm guessing that will affect where he's drafted. I figured you'd chime in sooner or later. :) I haven't even checked to see where he may rank. Given he's a FB, I imagine late 3rd at the earliest. The knee injury can't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texbengal Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I figured you'd chime in sooner or later. :) I haven't even checked to see where he may rank. Given he's a FB, I imagine late 3rd at the earliest. The knee injury can't help. SooneraBengal is the original Millard PImp, but the thing about him is, he's a FB who can play H-back and TE, whereas Orson Charles is a TE making the transition to H-back and FB. I'm guessing he's a likely 5th rounder at the earliest, just because of his injury. Too bad...was probably a 3rd guy before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 The issue at FB is that there's only so many offensive slots to go around, especially if you keep seven WR and have 4 TEs on the roster. Plus this physical run game we are talking about might require more RBs.. So this year we could move Orson back to prmarily a TE, and free up a space. But unless you commit to having the guy on the field a lot, you are telegraphing what you are going to do. Back in the 80s, you ran a lot of 2 back sets and ran the FB quite a bit. These days, how much better is he than putting a TE or guard or defensive player in as an extra blocker? Some of that extra punch is lost just because you have to bring him in special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocalBengalEd Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Millard is an ace on STs, too. He's coming off a pretty significant knee injury, so I'm guessing that will affect where he's drafted. Millard is a beast. Amazing blocker and can run and catch. The total package. Love the guy. If not for his ACL injury he woulda been a second rounder. Burkhead is way to small to be a fullback in the nfl. Wish we still had Conner. Ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Hue-Jackson-combine-transcript/09c0a801-bb8a-4701-bd9a-3b9152fe2286 Q: Do you need a fullback? HJ: Yeah. You do need a fullback on the football team. Q: Can Orson (Charles) do it? HJ: We’re going to find out. Q: Do you need a traditional fullback, like a John Conner? HJ: What I would love to have is that I’m going to take whatever the organization’s going to give me. Yeah, I don't see anything there abotu him saying he wants a traditional fullback. He says he wants a fullback, and when we look at Marcel Reese, I think we get a pretty good idea of what he's talking about. That is not a traditional fullback. Orson Charles may certainly not be the answer, but I think he shows you what Hue is thinking. After all, it we all saw that it was Hue's call on Hard Knocks to keep Charles over Connor. And that last answer is what we call a non-answer. You can read between the lines to get the answer you want, but nowhere do I see Hue saying he'd like a thumping blocking fullback who can't really catch the ball rather than the more versatile H-back. I'm not saying he won't go the traditional route either, I just think that given his druthers, he'd rather have a guy who adds more dimension to the offense than a traditional FB who gets limited snaps already in a multiple TE/WR set offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelWeston Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I hear it as he would like one but he doesn't want to cause riffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SooneraBengal Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 SooneraBengal is the original Millard PImp, but the thing about him is, he's a FB who can play H-back and TE, whereas Orson Charles is a TE making the transition to H-back and FB. I'm guessing he's a likely 5th rounder at the earliest, just because of his injury. Too bad...was probably a 3rd guy before. Guilty as charged; do your worst to me. :D As far as OU guys go, as much as I think Colvin would be a late round steal for us, if you give me the deciding vote, I'm taking Trey every time. The guy's just a special talent & his versatility could go a long way toward freeing up another spot in a different area & as for the knee, he's already running on it. A couple more TM clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpCXM7UcLnQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdnxQATrO7k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboi Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 This may have been discussed, but under Hue, will they enlist a real FB? If so, it's a shame they released John Connor. Your thoughts? la'ron mcclain played for Hue Jackson in Oakland and Baltimore so it is a possibility he could sign with the Bengals.Or they could try and make a run at vonta leech.Whatever happens hopefully it will move Orson Charles back to his tight end position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Tigers Johnson| Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 I think John Conner was one of the biggest mistakes of the season... I thought it then and I still think it now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 SooneraBengal is the original Millard PImp, but the thing about him is, he's a FB who can play H-back and TE, whereas Orson Charles is a TE making the transition to H-back and FB. I'm guessing he's a likely 5th rounder at the earliest, just because of his injury. Too bad...was probably a 3rd guy before. in general I've just come to expect you to chime in on prospects from the state of Texas and Oklahoma. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 After all, it we all saw that it was Hue's call on Hard Knocks to keep Charles over Connor. Yeah the only thing that may have changed is his faith in Orson, otherwise this was already answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Yeah the only thing that may have changed is his faith in Orson, otherwise this was already answered. One guy who would be unbelievable (and admittedly this would be a waste of his talent) would be Eric Ebron. He'll do great as a move TE, but he is strong and compact and he would be a nightmare match-up in so many ways. Not going to happen, I know, but fun to think about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texbengal Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Guilty as charged; do your worst to me. :D As far as OU guys go, as much as I think Colvin would be a late round steal for us, if you give me the deciding vote, I'm taking Trey every time. The guy's just a special talent & his versatility could go a long way toward freeing up another spot in a different area & as for the knee, he's already running on it. A couple more TM clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpCXM7UcLnQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdnxQATrO7k One other OU guy I really like is Jalen Saunders. Small guy, but really versatile. Reminds me some of Dante Hall... gets to second gear really fast, explosive, long speed. I think Tate has been solid, and he's bigger than Saunders, but I like Saunders' big play ability and think he could be a very good return specialist, if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 One other OU guy I really like is Jalen Saunders. Small guy, but really versatile. Reminds me some of Dante Hall... gets to second gear really fast, explosive, long speed. I think Tate has been solid, and he's bigger than Saunders, but I like Saunders' big play ability and think he could be a very good return specialist, if nothing else. I like him too. Andrew Hawkins was an old rookie so he is actually getting up in years just a little bit. A guy like Saunders makes sense as a return specialist and future slot WR when Hawkins gets either too old or too expensive (or injured). Also, I saw the video of the Hue interview and I did get the impression he was saying they wanted more of a true FB and that Charles would have to make a real improvement to keep the spot. I suspect they will bring in a true FB to compete and that it is going to be another close call next September as to whether that guy sticks on the 53 man roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SooneraBengal Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 One other OU guy I really like is Jalen Saunders. Small guy, but really versatile. Reminds me some of Dante Hall... gets to second gear really fast, explosive, long speed. I think Tate has been solid, and he's bigger than Saunders, but I like Saunders' big play ability and think he could be a very good return specialist, if nothing else. Agreed. The only reason I haven't been banging that drum is that they just re-signed Baby Hawk; otherwise I'd be all for getting him. The guy made a ton of plays for us in his 2 short years. If they feel like grooming him behind Hawk while letting him return punts in the meantime, I'd be all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 I like him too. Andrew Hawkins was an old rookie so he is actually getting up in years just a little bit. A guy like Saunders makes sense as a return specialist and future slot WR when Hawkins gets either too old or too expensive (or injured). Also, I saw the video of the Hue interview and I did get the impression he was saying they wanted more of a true FB and that Charles would have to make a real improvement to keep the spot. I suspect they will bring in a true FB to compete and that it is going to be another close call next September as to whether that guy sticks on the 53 man roster. I really hope you are right.. A good fullback doesn't have to be a 1 dimensional player. It can be hard to find those bowling ball types with soft hands but they exist. I'm not sure who in the draft would fit this bill, but with the way the position has been marginalized, we should be able to get one late. Of course a FA acquisition isn't off the table, but with their relatively short career span it may be better to go young and draft one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 This may have been discussed, but under Hue, will they enlist a real FB? If so, it's a shame they released John Connor. Your thoughts? Would love it. Last season when they introduced The Freezer Bowl team (overlooking David Verser) when Pete Johnson was introduced, the crowd chanted "Pete, Pete, Pete".... brought a tear to my eye. But DEFINITELY... Pete Johnson and Ickey Woods... and Stanley Wilson. <--- Stan--- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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