|SF2| Posted November 28, 2022 Report Share Posted November 28, 2022 2 hours ago, claptonrocks said: This says it all about the oline.. The interior has improved.. The tackles playing thru injuries. That is a very important point. Last year Burrow couldn’t step up in the pocket since it was getting blown up by interior defensive linemen. Also, we tend to forget Burrow has only started 37 regular season games. Every great QB will tell you it takes a few years before you finally get comfortable and things slow way down. I would say Joe B is ahead of schedule. Jalen Hurts couldn’t find his ass in the dark until late last season. Now he is an MVP candidate. Justin Fields is following almost the same trajectory, finally starting to get it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UncleEarl Posted December 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Griever said: Let's see how he does next week against Garrett. I understand Garrett is one of the best, but if Williams pisses down his leg again he is who we think he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: Let's see how he does next week against Garrett. I understand Garrett is one of the best, but if Williams pisses down his leg again he is who we think he is. Reasonable. PFF scores certainly don't change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicoli Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, T-Dub said: Reasonable. PFF scores certainly don't change anything. No, but this does I would think.. “He's given up just 3 total pressures over the last 3 games (129 pass block snaps)” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 52 minutes ago, spicoli said: No, but this does I would think.. “He's given up just 3 total pressures over the last 3 games (129 pass block snaps)” He hasn't been credited with a sack, I'll give him that much. "Pressure" is a little more subjective and PFF are homers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted December 5, 2022 Report Share Posted December 5, 2022 43 minutes ago, T-Dub said: He hasn't been credited with a sack, I'll give him that much. "Pressure" is a little more subjective and PFF are homers. I wonder how many of those snaps had Adenaiji reporting as eligible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griever Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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claptonrocks Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 56 minutes ago, membengal said: Agree with Breer but losing any starter in a meaningless preseason game makes me wary of the idea. In ZT I trust though.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 I think he was more pointing out another reason why o-line development has been harder in recent years… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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claptonrocks Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 23 minutes ago, Griever said: Depth chart should be interesting. The starting 5 has me as excited to see as a unit in sometime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 15, 2023 Report Share Posted August 15, 2023 Between Smith and Collins they might just start the season with some depth at OT for a change. Interior OL remains paper thin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 Holy smokes - just dropping this here as an update on this conversation... Quote Andrew Russell @Andrew_Russell7 · 2h The real MVPs since Joe Burrow went down (pressure rate allowed w/rank among position since week 12): Orlando Brown Jr: 6.8% (25th/52) Cordell Volson: 1.4% (1st/54) 👀👀 Ted Karras: 2.0% (4th/31) 👀👀 Alex Cappa: 5.5% (33rd/54) Jonah Williams: 4.0% (8th/52) Zero donkeys. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 Basically, the Volson truthers are having an "I told you so" in terms of patience moment... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 hour ago, membengal said: Holy smokes - just dropping this here as an update on this conversation... After losing their QB for the season and switching to a relatively balanced offense, they're actually not that bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, T-Dub said: After losing their QB for the season and switching to a relatively balanced offense, they're actually not that bad. Joe is going to help himself if he can get used to playing under center and reading the D that way. This Oline has the horses but the scheme Joe likes makes it tough on him. Hoping he gets a training camp to work on that. Wonder if there is some sort of virtual way he can work on it while he's rehabbing as well? Like put him in front of a large screen projector of defenses from a QB POV and let him get reps in that way before camp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 Also they've used more max protect, which has worked really well, I don't know why ZT was scared to use this with Joe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF dan Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Joe is going to help himself if he can get used to playing under center and reading the D that way. This Oline has the horses but the scheme Joe likes makes it tough on him. Hoping he gets a training camp to work on that. Wonder if there is some sort of virtual way he can work on it while he's rehabbing as well? Like put him in front of a large screen projector of defenses from a QB POV and let him get reps in that way before camp? look at what Buffalo did with run game (that they never tried) last night against the vaunted Dallas Cowboys defense. The migration to a total pass first offense has been somewhat exposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 1 minute ago, HOF dan said: look at what Buffalo did with run game (that they never tried) last night against the vaunted Dallas Cowboys defense. The migration to a total pass first offense has been somewhat exposed. I think you can be pass first but you need to do it under center with a running game that is a believable threat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Joe is going to help himself if he can get used to playing under center and reading the D that way. This Oline has the horses but the scheme Joe likes makes it tough on him. Hoping he gets a training camp to work on that. Wonder if there is some sort of virtual way he can work on it while he's rehabbing as well? Like put him in front of a large screen projector of defenses from a QB POV and let him get reps in that way before camp? I'd love to know a rough % of run calls that he is choosing to audible out of on his own. Of course strictly running draws & pitches out of a shotgun formation is not going to cut it either but neither will putting him under center if he's just going to check out of the run call every time. Aside from his responsibility though this team has long had a tendency to abandon the run. Said it many times before but they seem to view an incomplete pass as far more acceptable than a run for no gain. It's persisted through a few QB and coaching changes so I can only assume it's coming from ownership. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HOF dan Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/18/2023 at 4:24 PM, Jamie_B said: I think you can be pass first but you need to do it under center with a running game that is a believable threat 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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