2023 NFL Draft thread

[spicoli]

2 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

""too light crap" are your words not mine.

I said he was ."maybe to small"..

6'0 280lbs..

 

 

Have you ever watched any tape on the kid? Just curious. 

[claptonrocks]

54 minutes ago, spicoli said:

Have you ever watched any tape on the kid? Just curious. 

No but I will now.

I want to see how he does against other possible prospects ..

[membengal]

 

[spicoli]

Kid’s a freak show. A lot of similarities to Donald when he was coming out of the same program.  Hard not to compare the two. 

[claptonrocks]

7 hours ago, membengal said:

 

I see his quickness but who's he up against..A potential draft pick?

Hell all players have highlight film..

 

Is a 3tech our most pressing need?..

I thought the plan was to build a better Oline...

 

 

 

[membengal]

AH, so your issue is you are locked into o-line in the first round and if other names are discussed you are gonna diss them to fit that agenda. Got it. 

[claptonrocks]

3 minutes ago, membengal said:

AH, so your issue is you are locked into o-line in the first round and if other names are discussed you are gonna diss them to fit that agenda. Got it. 

No ..you haven't got it at all.

I would be ok with a priority need but 3tech isn't one of them..

 

 

 

 

[spicoli]

22 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

I would be ok with a priority need but 3tech isn't one of them

The only way they’d ever have a shot at Kancey is by trading up into the top half of the first round. We all know that isn’t happening, so it’s all moot anyway. 

[membengal]

What's weird is pretending there is not a need at 3T. And going out of one's way to slag a likely top 15 prospect to further an agenda. 

[claptonrocks]

3 minutes ago, membengal said:

What's weird is pretending there is not a need at 3T. And going out of one's way to slag a likely top 15 prospect to further an agenda. 

We have BJ Hill and isnt Zach Carter being used there as well?

 

Like Spicoli said if he's a top 15 no shot anyway..

 

[I_C_Deadpeople]

I would say that if a player (excluding QB) that was ranked top 15 on the Bengals board was there when we pick- he would be selected regardless of position. And there would be no doubt about taking him. 

[spicoli]

1 hour ago, membengal said:

What's weird is pretending there is not a need at 3T. And going out of one's way to slag a likely top 15 prospect to further an agenda. 

Yeah

[membengal]

 

[membengal]

 

[claptonrocks]

6 hours ago, membengal said:

 

Hopefully our future RT..

Big long nasty..

He and Cappa would solidify the right side..

 

[gupps]

22 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:

I would say that if a player (excluding QB) that was ranked top 15 on the Bengals board was there when we pick- he would be selected regardless of position. And there would be no doubt about taking him. 

 

Semi agree, Someone could always make a kickass trade offer.

[sparky151]

I doubt Kancey is going in the top 15. Most mocks I've seen don't even have him in the first round, meaning he'd be available for selection at 29. But he'd be a terrible pick for us. We're not going to bench or cut Hill and we just used a day 2 pick last year on the backup. Kancey's production isn't close to Donald's. And we certainly have bigger areas of need, not all of which will be filled in free agency. 

[I_C_Deadpeople]

1 hour ago, gupps said:

 

Semi agree, Someone could always make a kickass trade offer.

Again though, they likely would turn down any trade offer if they had a top 15 player sitting at the end of round 1. 

[sparky151]

You guys ought to sober up if you think Kancey is anywhere close to Donald. Donald had 28.5 tackles for loss his senior year with 4 fumbles forced and 3 passes defensed.

 

Kancey had 7 sacks, 0 fumbles forced or recovered and 0 passes defended. Not even close to the same ballpark. Just because they went to the same college doesn't make them alike. Jeez. There's a reason Donald won the Lombardi, Nagurski, Bednarik, and Outland trophies and Kancey didn't. 

[|kennethmw|]

On 2/16/2023 at 12:45 PM, Jungletiger said:

Left field take and random reminder.  I understand letting go of the disrespect card and all that, but as we get praises from analysts never forget what was said.

 

 

That aged well, didn't it?😂😂😂😂😂

[|High School Harry|]

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2023/2/19/23599419/bengals-3-round-mock-draft-cody-mauch

 

That means there will likely be an even bigger emphasis on the draft for Bengals fans. Chad Reuter from NFL.com gave us his first mock draft of the year.

 

 

Cody Mauch, Offensive lineman North Dakota

Mauch showed during Senior Bowl week that he could play anywhere along the offensive line. That sort of versatility would have come in handy for the Bengals during the playoffs after they lost both starting tackles (including Jonah Williams, a free agent after the 2023 season) to injury. Putting Mauch and his former Bison teammate, Cordell Volson, on the same NFL O-line does NDSU proud.

Mauch went viral for a minute on Bengals Twitter when his team picture with him missing teeth was shared as him being a former teammate of Volson. It shows off that glass-eating mentality that offensive line coach Frank Pollack looks for.

********* Second round for sure************

[stan]

12 hours ago, kennethmw said:

That aged well, didn't it?😂😂😂😂😂

Most of the comments were Colin Cowherd and Dan Patrick.There was also one by Milke Golic, and someone, whose voice I didn't recognize.Patrick,Cowherd and Golic ,all worked for ESPN.They did not like the Bengals,and trashed them all the time.

[BengalBuck]

8 hours ago, stan said:

Most of the comments were Colin Cowherd and Dan Patrick.There was also one by Milke Golic, and someone, whose voice I didn't recognize.Patrick,Cowherd and Golic ,all worked for ESPN.They did not like the Bengals,and trashed them all the time.

Dan Patrick is actually a Bengals fan. I think he goes over the top to avoid that appearance. 

[I_C_Deadpeople]

2023 NFL Draft Consensus Big Board 3.0: Which prospects crack the top 100?

Nick Baumgardner and Austin Mock

Feb 21, 2023

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The Athletic’s Consensus Big Board combines rankings from a wide range of draft experts to identify how the top prospects are viewed against the rest of the 2023 draft class. In theory, by the time we reach draft weekend, we’ll have a good handle on how the picks could (or, at least, should) fall.

For the third version of our board, Austin Mock again gives us a look at how the top 100 prospects stack up across the industry. Included in this update is the latest set of rankings from The Athletic draft expert Dane Brugler, which published on Feb. 14.

The 2023 NFL Draft Consensus Big Board, 3.0 (including each player’s average ranking across all sources):

Consensus Top-100 Big Board (Feb. 21)

	PLAYER	POS.	SCHOOL	AVG. RANK
1	Will Anderson Jr.	EDGE	Alabama	1.5
2	Jalen Carter	DT	Georgia	2.8
3	Bryce Young	QB	Alabama	3.5
4	C.J. Stroud	QB	Ohio State	4.5
5	Myles Murphy	EDGE	Clemson	7.6
6	Peter Skoronski	OT	Northwestern	9.8
7	Bijan Robinson	RB	Texas	10.1
8	Quentin Johnston	WR	TCU	11.8
9	Jordan Addison	WR	USC	14.1
10	Michael Mayer	TE	Notre Dame	14.1
11	Tyree Wilson	EDGE	Texas Tech	14.6
12	Paris Johnson Jr.	OT	Ohio State	16.7
13	Jaxon Smith-Njigba	WR	Ohio State	18.7
14	Joey Porter Jr.	CB	Penn State	18.9
15	Bryan Bresee	DT	Clemson	20.1
16	Christian Gonzalez	CB	Oregon	20.7
17	Brian Branch	S	Alabama	21.0
18	Cam Smith	CB	South Carolina	23.5
19	Will Levis	QB	Kentucky	24.8
20	Jahmyr Gibbs	RB	Alabama	28.9
21	Broderick Jones	OT	Georgia	29.2
22	Kelee Ringo	CB	Georgia	31.0
23	Antonio Johnson	S	Texas A&M	31.5
24	Isaiah Foskey	EDGE	Notre Dame	32.3
25	Trenton Simpson	LB	Clemson	32.5
26	Devon Witherspoon	CB	Illinois	35.5
27	O'Cyrus Torrence	G	Florida	35.9
28	Anton Harrison	OT	Oklahoma	36.6
29	B.J. Ojulari	EDGE	LSU	37.1
30	Anthony Richardson	QB	Florida	39.7
31	Dalton Kincaid	TE	Utah	40.2
32	Siaki Ika	DT	Baylor	43.4
33	Dawand Jones	OT	Ohio State	44.3
34	Nolan Smith	EDGE	Georgia	45.4
35	Felix Anudike-Uzomah	EDGE	Kansas State	45.5
36	Josh Downs	WR	North Carolina	46.8
37	Lukas Van Ness	DT	Iowa	48.6
38	Clark Phillips III	CB	Utah	49.5
39	Emmanuel Forbes	CB	Mississippi State	49.5
40	Drew Sanders	LB	Alabama	51.0
41	Zay Flowers	WR	Boston College	51.5
42	Will McDonald IV	EDGE	Iowa State	52.2
43	Andre Carter II	EDGE	Army	52.2
44	Darnell Wright	OT	Tennessee	53.0
45	John Michael Schmitz	C	Minnesota	53.1
46	Luke Musgrave	TE	Oregon State	53.1
47	Jaylin Hyatt	WR	Tennessee	53.9
48	Darnell Washington	TE	Georgia	55.3
49	Gervon Dexter Sr.	DT	Florida	55.6
50	Kayshon Boutte	WR	LSU	55.6
51	Noah Sewell	LB	Oregon	58.3
52	Tuli Tuipulotu	DT	USC	59.8
53	Matthew Bergeron	OT	Syracuse	60.8
54	Mazi Smith	DT	Michigan	62.1
55	Devon Achane	RB	Texas A&M	62.5
56	Jordan Battle	S	Alabama	62.5
57	Rashee Rice	WR	SMU	65.0
58	Cody Mauch	OT	No. Dakota State	65.9
59	Calijah Kancey	DT	Pitt	66.2
60	Zach Harrison	EDGE	Ohio State	66.6
61	Derick Hall	EDGE	Auburn	66.9
62	Tanner McKee	QB	Stanford	68.3
63	Jack Campbell	LB	Iowa	69.0
64	Deonte Banks	CB	Maryland	69.1
65	Christopher Smith II	S	Georgia	69.9
66	Garrett Williams	CB	Syracuse	70.9
67	Tyrique Stevenson	CB	Miami (FL)	71.5
68	Steve Avila	OL	TCU	71.7
69	Henry To'o To'o	LB	Alabama	72.6
70	Jaelyn Duncan	OT	Maryland	73.1
71	Hendon Hooker	QB	Tennessee	73.5
72	Zach Charbonnet	RB	UCLA	74.2
73	Keion White	DT	Georgia Tech	74.2
74	Kyu Blu Kelly	CB	Stanford	75.1
75	Eli Ricks	CB	Alabama	75.8
76	JL Skinner	S	Boise State	77.5
77	Andrew Vorhees	G	USC	78.0
78	Sam LaPorta	TE	Iowa	78.1
79	Daiyan Henley	LB	Washington State	79.5
80	Tucker Kraft	TE	So. Dakota State	80.6
81	Zach Evans	RB	Ole Miss	80.6
82	Cedric Tillman	WR	Tennessee	81.2
83	Jaylon Jones	CB	Texas A&M	81.4
84	Keeanu Benton	DT	Wisconsin	82.5
85	Marvin Mims	WR	Oklahoma	82.6
86	Blake Freeland	OT	BYU	84.5
87	Adetomiwa Adebawore	EDGE	Northwestern	85.0
88	Nathaniel Dell	WR	Houston	85.2
89	Jaquelin Roy	DT	LSU	86.0
90	Dontayvion Wicks	WR	Virginia	86.5
91	Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson	CB	TCU	87.7
92	Zacch Pickens	DT	South Carolina	88.0
93	Brandon Joseph	S	Notre Dame	88.1
94	Sean Tucker	RB	Syracuse	88.2
95	Luke Wypler	C	Ohio State	88.4
96	Sydney Brown	S	Illinois	88.5
97	Tyler Steen	OT	Alabama	88.6
98	Parker Washington	WR	Penn State	88.9
99	Tank Bigsby	RB	Auburn	89.3
100	Mekhi Garner	CB	LSU	89.3

Thoughts from The Athletic draft analyst Nick Baumgardner on the updated consensus board:

The biggest risers in the top 75:

• Illinois CB Devon Witherspoon (No. 26, up 10)
• Ohio State OT Dawand Jones (No. 33, up 13)
• Iowa edge Lukas Van Ness (No. 37, up 13)
• Iowa State edge Will McDonald IV (No. 42, up 11)
• Tennessee OT Darnell Wright (No. 44, up 19)
• Oregon State TE Luke Musgrave (No. 46, up 14)
• Syracuse OT Matthew Bergeron (No. 53, up 22)
• Texas A&M RB Devon Achane (No. 55, up 11)
• Pitt DL Calijah Kancey (No. 59, up 19)
• Iowa LB Jack Campbell (No. 63, up 11)
• Georgia Tech DL Keion White (No. 73, up 23)

A few things here: One, thanks to Dane for helping fix this version of the Big Board by getting more prospects into appropriate ranges. The consensus top 100 is not all the way there, but it’s getting closer in some areas.

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Dane Brugler's updated NFL Draft rankings: The top 100 prospects in 2023

We talked last time about the likes of Witherspoon, Van Ness and Musgrave. All three are probably still ranked too low. Witherspoon is at least going to be in the conversation as the top cornerback on several NFL teams’ boards, while Van Ness will be a top-20 prospect for some and very well could be a first-round pick himself, despite a lack of production at Iowa. Musgrave, meantime, could flirt with the back half of Round 1 — he will be much higher on this list when we do it again after the combine (assuming he runs his 40-yard dash).

In a similar vein, White jumped up 23 spots and that might not be enough. He is, at the very least, a top-50 player and possibly even a first-round pick.

• The consensus board probably remains too high on several other prospects, including one on this “risers” list: Dawand Jones.

His dominant one-day performance at the Senior Bowl no doubt bumped him up several boards. He was able to answer several questions NFL evaluators had about his mobility and overall foot speed vs. live pass rushers, but it’s important to note the tape on Jones still is what it is. Jones is No. 52 on Brugler’s latest big board, which is likely much closer to how NFL teams view him right now. Jones’ length is incredible, but can he hold up in every scheme? Will his balance and range be as usable at the next level? We’ll see.

 

Another prospect I think the board is far too high on: Army edge Andre Carter. He struggled with power at the Senior Bowl and, despite his length and speed, appears as though he’ll have a long way to go vs. the run.

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• The board is too scared of quarterbacks Will Levis (Kentucky) and Anthony Richardson (Florida). Too many have gotten stuck on box-score scouting. Interceptions and completion rate in college matter — no one here will ever argue otherwise — but context on every single attempt in college also matters. A lot. QBs often are playing with receivers and lineman (and, in some cases, coaches) who are not NFL-caliber complements.

Richardson and Levis have physical traits that are undeniable, and that will be true no matter how many times you saw them make poor throws on your television screens last season. Certainly, those traits will show up next week at the combine and at each player’s respective pro day. Dane’s current top 100 is closer to where this is going to shake out, with Levis at No. 10 and Richardson at No. 14. People should prepare themselves for four quarterbacks to be taken in the top half of the first round.

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NFL Mock Draft: College football writers predict the first round

• One more note on the quarterbacks: I’d guess the odds favor seeing just four quarterbacks in the top 100 (Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, Levis and Richardson), rather than a scenario in which Stanford’s Tanner McKee (No. 62 on the consensus board) and Tennessee’s Hendon Hooker (No. 71) join them. Hooker could climb to that top-100 range on draft weekend, perhaps, but not sure I’d call it “likely.”

• The board is still way too high on receivers and way too low on corners. Quentin Johnston stayed at No. 8 and Jordan Addison actually moved up two spots (to No. 9). Maybe the board knows better than me, but it’d be a bit surprising to see them selected there, when all is said and done. I also don’t think Jaxon Smith-Njigba (No. 13) will go in the top 15. We’ll see if the combine changes my mind, but I really doubt it.

 

I don’t have as much of an issue with how the corners are stacked at the top, as that really depends on how you want your defense to play man coverage. That said, I don’t see zero corners coming off the board before the 14th pick (where Joey Porter Jr., is ranked on the consensus board), nor do I believe there are 15 players in this class better than Christian Gonzalez (No. 16).

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The board does have more confidence than Dane in Kelee Ringo (No. 22 here; No. 32 on Brugler’s board). On that, I side with the consensus. However, I’m right back to agreeing with Dane on South Carolina CB Cam Smith (No. 51 on Brugler’s board; No. 18 here). I like Smith, but I don’t believe he’s in the top four at his position.

My ranking of that group, presently, would be: Gonzalez, Witherspoon, Porter, Ringo.

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2023 NFL Draft: Which prospects have been invited to the scouting combine?

• The linebackers had some of the widest ranges on the Consensus Big Board, and that’s really no surprise. It’ll be like that throughout the entire draft process, because the league’s general consensus on what it believes to be a good stack linebacker is … well, it doesn’t exist. There are multiple schools of thought at a position that’s changing pretty constantly.

That doesn’t diminish the position’s importance, though. On the contrary, good stack linebackers are still incredibly valuable and — like good running backs — smart general managers have shown in recent years that you can sit, wait and strike gold. Nick Bolton and Pete Werner were late second-round picks in 2021. The Lions got Malcolm Rodriguez in the sixth round last year. The Bears found a good one in undrafted rookie Jack Sanborn.

Impact linebackers are out there, even if it’s not necessarily reflected in the top 100.

(Illustration: Eamonn Dalton / The Athletic; photos: Randy Litzinger, Adam Davis, Nick Cammett / Getty Images)

What did you think of this story?

[Jamie_B]

Unless one of the corners drops to us, I think the pick is very likely to be Antion Harrison