oldschooler Posted July 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [b]Carson and Ocho[/b] July 26th, 2011 John Thornton From the sounds of today's Bengals press conference to discuss all things post lockout, Chad Ochocinco will be back, and Carson will retire. I have to say that I don't agree with either of these decisions. I understand them, but don't agree with them. Maybe there is a bigger plan that the Bengals aren't sharing with us, maybe they are holding out for better compensation for trading Carson, maybe they are letting the free agent market to be set before releasing Chad. Mike Brown said today that he won't reward Carson by trading him. I think the opposite. Carson will never regain his 2005-06 form while playing in Cincinnati. He just won't. I think he can regain it elsewhere. Other teams believe that too. So if his value will never be what it was, trading him will only reward the Bengals, right? And the team says that QB Andy Dalton is the guy and he has "it", so trading Carson even makes more sense. Yes Carson made a commitment to the Bengals and he broke that commitment by wanting out, but don't let that stop the team for getting value from him. And the theory of "if we let Carson do it, everyone will do it", that's not true. Very few players are good enough to take such a stance. Most guys will get cut if they ask for a release. I can't think of many franchise QBs that have this issue when it's non contract related. As to Ocho, I still think he can play. But it seems that the team is making him stay in Cincy to piss him off. The Bengals are well stocked when it comes to young pass catchers. WRs AJ Green, Jerome Simpson, Andre Caldwell, Jordan Shipley, and TE Jermaine Gresham. Having Ocho gives this group a clearcut No 1 WR, but it seems as if they are set up to do well without him. I wrote last night that I think the Bengals will slow play releasing players and play with their roster because they can have up to 90 players now. And with about $40 million to spend, salary cap cuts aren't an issue. What would I do? I'd trade Carson to the highest bidder. And I would release Chad and let him finish his career like Willie Anderson did. Willie went elsewhere, went to an AFC title game, still loves the Bengals to this day. [url="http://www.allproblogger.com/2011/07/26/carson-and-ocho/"]http://www.allproblogger.com/2011/07/26/carson-and-ocho/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Carson to San Fran for Crabtree and Mike Uiuipati Ocho to New England for a 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [quote name='scharm' timestamp='1311713721' post='1003913'] [/quote] So when a person, who probably enjoys this place is going to get cut, because of a salary that the Bengals gave to him is too high for their taste now isn't sad? Whenever a good guy like Antwan losses his job, it's not exactly a happy moment. Especially, when we never really got to see how good he really was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [quote name='BengalsOwn' timestamp='1311705611' post='1003798'] LOL! He's in his low 30's, and gets to spend the next 50 years of his life doing nothing but playing golf, traveling, manicuring the lawn at his mansion, eating like a king, playing with his kids, driving nice cars, being a southern california hero, and could probably get a job doing motivational speaking (don't like your situation? do something about it) and make even more money. Sounds rough. [/quote] Yep, and his legacy was he was the guy who quit because his wife made him. I have more respect for Icky Woods.[quote name='sois' timestamp='1311714645' post='1003925'] Carson to San Fran for Crabtree and Mike Uiuipati [b]Ocho to New England for a 6th.[/b] [/quote] And a ham sandwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [quote name='BengalMike' timestamp='1311702804' post='1003753'] This just shows how hypocritical the league is players with contracts are being cut at this very moment. I would love for Palmer to comeback but he wants out then get something for him. Anything else is simply idiotic. [/quote] the perks of being the owner. Players know what they're signing up for. If they don't like it, they can go somewhere else and be their own boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [quote name='JC' timestamp='1311714876' post='1003929'] So when a person, who probably enjoys this place is going to get cut, because of a salary that the Bengals gave to him is too high for their taste now isn't sad? Whenever a good guy like Antwan losses his job, it's not exactly a happy moment. Especially, when we never really got to see how good he really was. [/quote] Not from a NFL business or football standpoint. I understand you have big heart but you yourself said foolishly overpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengaled Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [quote name='kennethmw' timestamp='1311707543' post='1003827'] [b]Fify![/b] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MULLY Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [quote name='sois' timestamp='1311699528' post='1003719'] That's awesome, MB has some stones. Misguided, spiteful stones, but big ones nonetheless. [/quote] It's not misguided or spiteful. If anything it was pure class. Carson signed a contract and he's not honoring it. Why should the Bengals allow him to hold them hostage and call the shots? If Mike Brown was to trade him it would open a huge can of worms for any owner that has a player that gets disgruntled. I don't usually agree much with Mike Brown's decisions but for this, I applaud him. As for Carson, thank you for the time you spent here and sorry it didn't work out. MULLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan2011 Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [quote name='SF2' timestamp='1311716504' post='1003942'] Yep, and [b]his legacy was he was the guy who quit because his wife made him[/b]. I have more respect for Icky Woods. [/quote] True or not (and I lean towards not), most people outside of the Bengals rumormill/inner circle aren't thinking that's his reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MULLY Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 As for Chad, you guys should be glad he's here. This is the final year of his contract. Next season he goes FA and is going to want a payday. That means he needs to play lights out this season to drive his value up. Personally, I see keeping him as a good thing. We all know he's gone next year for sure, let him prove himself to other teams for us. I like the idea of Chad having to put numbers up to drive up his value next season. I think he'll have a good year. MULLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [quote name='Fulcher_33' timestamp='1311723507' post='1004018'] As for Chad, you guys should be glad he's here. This is the final year of his contract. Next season he goes FA and is going to want a payday. That means he needs to play lights out this season to drive his value up. Personally, I see keeping him as a good thing. We all know he's gone next year for sure, let him prove himself to other teams for us. I like the idea of Chad having to put numbers up to drive up his value next season. I think he'll have a good year. MULLY [/quote] Chad is going to be 34 by then, he isnt getting another big contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted July 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [b][url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/29757/mike-brown-and-the-contract-debate"][size="5"][color="#000000"]Mike Brown and the 'contract' debate[/color][/size][/url][/b] July, 26, 2011 By James Walke rI hear fans use this phrase all the time: "Player X signed a contract. Own up to it." Now [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals"][color="#225db7"]Cincinnati Bengals[/color][/url] owner Mike Brown is throwing that out there as the primary reason [url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/29731/mike-brown-carson-palmer-is-retired"][color="#225db7"]he won't trade embattled[/color][/url] quarterback [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4459"][color="#225db7"]Carson Palmer[/color][/url]. [indent]"Carson signed a contract, he made a commitment. He gave us his word," Brown [url="http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/07/26/brown-still-adamant-about-not-trading-palmer/"][color="#225db7"]said Tuesday[/color][/url]. "We relied on his word and his commitment. We expected him to perform here. If he is going to walk away from his commitment we aren't going to reward him for doing it."[/indent] Here is my take: Using the "signed contract" excuse is hypocritical in the NFL. The Bengals and other teams cut players all the time before contracts are up. Are the Bengals not living up to their commitments every time they release a player prematurely due to injury or lack of performance? Most don't view it that way and neither should the Bengals. The truth is contracts are not guaranteed in the NFL. Teams don't honor them, and it's unfair for Brown to use that as a crutch when it's convenient for him. There are better reasons for Cincinnati not to trade Palmer. If the trade value isn't there, for example, that would be a legitimate excuse. If they believe Palmer will eventually have a change of heart and help the team, even that would be acceptable. But the "honor your contract" argument is very obsolete -- unless the Bengals plan to honor every contract they sign with players from here on out. Brown obviously has leverage in this standoff with his franchise quarterback, but that doesn't mean he's keeping Palmer for the right reasons. [url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/29757/mike-brown-and-the-contract-debate"]http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/29757/mike-brown-and-the-contract-debate[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted July 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [url="http://twitter.com/#!/Old_schooler"][b][color="#333333"]Old_schooler[/color][/b][/url] [url="http://twitter.com/espnafc_north"]@espnafc_north[/url][color="#444444"] Your Mike Brown contract debate is lame Owners are bound by guaranteed money Players are bound by years Its the system stupid [/color][url="http://twitter.com/#!/Old_schooler/status/96001555685314561"][size="2"][color="#999999"]3 minutes ago[/color][/size][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 I like this James Walker guy, he doesn't seem like the type of guy I would want to punch in the throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincity Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [quote name='Fulcher_33' timestamp='1311723507' post='1004018'] As for Chad, you guys should be glad he's here. This is the final year of his contract. Next season he goes FA and is going to want a payday. That means he needs to play lights out this season to drive his value up. Personally, I see keeping him as a good thing. We all know he's gone next year for sure, let him prove himself to other teams for us. I like the idea of Chad having to put numbers up to drive up his value next season. I think he'll have a good year. MULLY [/quote] I think he's had a couple paydays already, hasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted July 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 [quote name='sois' timestamp='1311724405' post='1004024'] I like this James Walker guy, he doesn't seem like the type of guy I would want to punch in the throat. [/quote] I want to punch you in the throat for saying this ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorclaws Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 it's not the year to year contract that's the true commitment, it's the signing bonus. We gave him millions up front in exchange for a multi-year commitment. You can't cleanly compare it to cutting a player. The owner doesn't get paid anything to commit to keeping a player x number of years. The owner never makes a commitment to the number of years they will employ the player, but the player does commit to a certain number of years by taking the signing bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidey Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Sorry. Didn't read the whole thread but did we cut Odom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted July 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 [quote name='spidey' timestamp='1311725881' post='1004041'] Sorry. Didn't read the whole thread but did we cut Odom? [/quote] No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted July 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Updated article ... [b]Brown not retiring about Dalton, won't trade Palmer[/b] By GEOFF HOBSON Updated: 5 p.m. Bengals president Mike Brown ushered out the [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/carson-palmer/b2e2fb04-af84-4af9-9491-5c1dd3354623/"][color="#f04e23"]Carson Palmer[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] Era Tuesday by referring to him in the past tense and enthusiastically rung in the [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/andy-dalton/9378c4ed-938c-434c-929d-4d45fe252101/"][color="#f04e23"]Andy Dalton[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] Era. He also indicated the future may very well be now with Dalton as the starter if he can handle it even as the team mulls veteran quarterbacks in free agency. "We'll look for a veteran, but we have a good, young draft pick in Andy Dalton; we like him," Brown said of the second-rounder from TCU before a media gathering at the club's annual training camp luncheon. We think he is promising for our future. It won't be altogether easy for him all the time, but we're going to put him in there and if he can do it we're going to go with him. I hope he can manage it. He's a feisty guy. He's a poised young guy and I think you'll find him attractive as a person and as a player. You'll like him. Wait and see." That's the question and why the Bengals may need some veteran experience. Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said they're looking for a guy that can both start and back up, and new offensive coordinator Jay Gruden has said the training camp starter may not be the Opening Day starter. Plus, Dalton has yet to sign a deal since the Bengals were allowed to start talking to draft pick just 90 minutes before the luncheon. The Bengals have just 15 NFL passes among Dalton, [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/jordan-palmer/22d3b409-4d6e-46b4-a13a-92ce0f773440/"][color="#f04e23"]Jordan Palmer[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] and [url="http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/dan-lefevour/f267ebe2-2450-41dd-9c71-412700ff4d2f/"][color="#f04e23"]Dan LeFevour[img]http://www.bengals.com/assets/nflimg/icon-article-link.gif[/img][/color][/url] when they line up for the first practice Saturday at Georgetown College in Georgetown, Ky. They may have some interest in a five-year backup who knows new offensive coordinator Jay Gruden's scheme from his days in Tampa Bay, Bruce Gradkowski, a veteran of 20 NFL starts with the Bucs and most lately with the Raiders. Meanwhile, Brown sounded the death knell of Palmer's hopes to play at least this season and maybe beyond Tuesday when he spoke of him in the past tense. He refuses to trade Palmer and considers him retired with four years left on a deal thought to be roughly worth $40 million. "I'm not expecting him to be back," Brown said. "Carson signed a contract. He made a commitment. We have relied on his commitment. We expect him to perform it here. If he doesn't and walks away from his commitment, we aren’t going to reward him for doing it." Brown, still seemingly stunned by Palmer's trade-or-retire demand of six months ago, couldn’t hide his admiration for the man that ran his club for the past seven years, went to two Pro Bowls and quarterbacked two AFC North titles. "I honestly like Carson Palmer. He was a splendid player for us," Brown said. "He's a good person. I wish him well and he's retired. That was his choice." In what has turned out to be one of his only media appearances of the year, Brown also took questions about the searing heat the club has taken in the offseason, centering around two nationally published stories in the past month. After ESPN ranked the Bengals the 122nd and worst sports franchise, [i]The Wall Street Journal[/i] ripped the club for giving Hamilton County the worst stadium deal in the country. He called the rankings "a slam," and chalked it up to the club's record. "If we're winning, it's beautiful stuff. When we're not winning, it all sounds pretty bad," Brown said of the music selections for which the club has been criticized. "We've had our hands slapped. We were bad. I plead guilty. Now it's incumbent on us to do better." Brown was far more animated about the WSJ report because it's one of his favorite periodicals and he thinks it got the narrative wrong about the how team's 1997 lease with the county spurred its financial woes. "I don't agree with their rendition of the facts," he said, saying the $350 million price tag was similar to the stadiums that were built in the same style at the about the same time in Nashville, Baltimore and Pittsburgh. "Between the state and Bengals, we put up $100 (million). That left $250 million. That's a lot of money. But the sales tax was generating between $50 and $60 million a year. That's easily enough to handle this kind of debt obligation. "It's very simple," he said. "They took the funds the voters had approved, the new sales tax. They being some of our local politicians, including some of those who are most critical of us. They took that revenue stream and siphoned it for Fort Washington Way, for The Banks, for twice as much payment to the schools that had been committed prior to the vote. I'm for schools, I'm for The Banks, I'm for Fort Washington Way. We all are. But you can't pay for two things with the same dollar and that's what they did. After they paid for that, they didn't have enough money left over to pay for what they had to pay for here. That's where the problem came." Brown insisted that the Bengals didn't have "one penny of cost overruns," and that when there were cost overruns the club reduced the scope of the stadium "or paid for it in cash." He says he's amazed how the stadium story continues to get told 15 years after the vote and lease signing, and that's why the club [url="http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Who-Dey-Perspective-Bengals-rebuttal-to-Wall-Street-Journal/ff819630-11b3-43b6-bade-15369dfe5cef"][color="#f04e23"]chose to rebut The Journal's story[/color][/url] a few days after it was published. "It's a story that doesn't get told fully or accurately and it should be," Brown said. "It's not right this story goes on year after year ... it keeps getting stranger and stranger. Somebody ought to try and figure out what really did happen. We thought we would help." The days (2006) when Brown and Bills owner Ralph Wilson were the only two owners to vote against a CBA that the owners eventually agreed had to change two years later seem a long way away. "Not one labor agreement satisfies everyone. There is give and take," Brown said, probably not enamored with a rookie system that is still a pool and not a scale. "There are things I wish weren't in it. There are things in it that are good. On balance for the National Football League, for our fan base, I think it's very good to have 10 years of uninterrupted focus on football. That's what we need. We want that. I think our fans want that, and we get this in the deal, and so I'm for the deal." Brown also took the media on a mini historical tour revisiting the 1987 strike, the last work stoppage before the lockout ended Monday. In an effort to show how much less bitterness and anger there has been this time around, he recounted how quarterback Boomer Esiason sat in front of a bus full of replacement players ("Was this the 1930s?") and how center Dave Rimington was caught scraping the paint off cars of replacement players with a key. "In the past we had emotion, even bitterness, and then the work stoppage concluded," Brown said. "Just like today. It's over. It's behind us and we have to take the opportunity to focus on the game and that's what we have to do now to win back our fans. ... They don't want to listen to two rich guys argue over two percent less or more from an incredible revenue stream." [url="http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Brown-not-retiring-about-Dalton-wont-trade-Palmer/7d2540c2-3c71-4dae-989d-b93bc4443d3e"]http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Brown-not-retiring-about-Dalton-wont-trade-Palmer/7d2540c2-3c71-4dae-989d-b93bc4443d3e[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 [quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1311723928' post='1004021'] [b][url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/29757/mike-brown-and-the-contract-debate"][size="5"][color="#000000"]Mike Brown and the 'contract' debate[/color][/size][/url][/b] July, 26, 2011 By James Walke rI hear fans use this phrase all the time: "Player X signed a contract. Own up to it." Now [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals"][color="#225db7"]Cincinnati Bengals[/color][/url] owner Mike Brown is throwing that out there as the primary reason [url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/29731/mike-brown-carson-palmer-is-retired"][color="#225db7"]he won't trade embattled[/color][/url] quarterback [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4459"][color="#225db7"]Carson Palmer[/color][/url]. [indent]"Carson signed a contract, he made a commitment. He gave us his word," Brown [url="http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/07/26/brown-still-adamant-about-not-trading-palmer/"][color="#225db7"]said Tuesday[/color][/url]. "We relied on his word and his commitment. We expected him to perform here. If he is going to walk away from his commitment we aren't going to reward him for doing it."[/indent] Here is my take: Using the "signed contract" excuse is hypocritical in the NFL. The Bengals and other teams cut players all the time before contracts are up. Are the Bengals not living up to their commitments every time they release a player prematurely due to injury or lack of performance? Most don't view it that way and neither should the Bengals. The truth is contracts are not guaranteed in the NFL. Teams don't honor them, and it's unfair for Brown to use that as a crutch when it's convenient for him. There are better reasons for Cincinnati not to trade Palmer. If the trade value isn't there, for example, that would be a legitimate excuse. If they believe Palmer will eventually have a change of heart and help the team, even that would be acceptable. But the "honor your contract" argument is very obsolete -- unless the Bengals plan to honor every contract they sign with players from here on out. Brown obviously has leverage in this standoff with his franchise quarterback, but that doesn't mean he's keeping Palmer for the right reasons. [url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/29757/mike-brown-and-the-contract-debate"]http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/29757/mike-brown-and-the-contract-debate[/url] [/quote] It is a shame people paid to cover the sport don't understand the league. If contracts were guaranteed players wouldn't receive these huge up front bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MULLY Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 [quote name='cincity' timestamp='1311724474' post='1004025'] I think he's had a couple paydays already, hasn't he? [/quote] Do you think for one second that the man himself doesn't want another one? I'm not saying he should get one, I'm saying that's exactly what he's looking for so he'll probably play lights out this year. MULLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 [quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1311725935' post='1004042'] No. [/quote] Dammit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted July 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 As we pointed out in the previous post, ESPN Senior Writer John Clayton joined the Scott Van Pelt Show with Ryen Russillo Tuesday afternoon on ESPN radio, talking about [url="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2600/carson-palmer"][b][color="#d8431a"]Carson Palmer[/color][/b][/url] and how poor the Bengals organization is. Here's that transcript. [b]Scott Van Pelt[/b]: "Now that we're done (with the lockout), this Carson Palmer news, I continue to find interesting, apparently he's done in Cincinnati. Does that mean he's done in the NFL?" [b]John Clayton[/b]: "No, it just means he's done for this year and this news has not changed, really, since February. When he went in, talked to the team and said he's not coming back, nothing has changed. [url="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/3073/mike-brown"][b][color="#d8431a"]Mike Brown[/color][/b][/url] remains very adament about the idea that he doesn't want to respond to players who want out of Cincinnati. Because if he does he realizes it opens up the pandora's box of other players saying 'hey, you did it for Carson Palmer, why can't you do it for me?' This goes back to [url="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1663/corey-dillon"][b][color="#d8431a"]Corey Dillon[/color][/b][/url], it goes back to Boomer Esiason. It's just one of those historical things with the [url="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/cincinnati-bengals"][b][color="#d8431a"]Cincinnati Bengals[/color][/b][/url] and Mike Brown. Whether it means something for next year's draft or not, Mike Brown doesn't care. He cares more about the principles. So what I look at this as a sybatical for Carson Palmer. He'll come back next year when they're going to be close to the cap, after the season, plant his $11.5 million salary on their salary cap and at that point, he'll be able to move on. At this stage, other than watching on satillite TV, that's all Carson Palmer is going to be doing in 2011." [b]Brian Russillo[/b]: "John, Mike Brown, the owner of the Bengals, can talk about principles and he can say 'I don't want to reward anybody because everyone is gonna want out of Cincinnati'. How about this idea? Run a decent organization." [b]Clayton[/b]: (chuckles) "He's had success and he's had failure. Three years ago they were 10-6 with Carson Palmer and winning the division." [b]Russillo[/b]: "But nobody looks at it that way. [url="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1368/takeo-spikes"][b][color="#d8431a"]Takeo Spikes[/color][/b][/url] is in here saying, 'yea when I played there we got throwaway new towels (?). I understand what you're saying, I just thinks it funny that the Bengals feel like we have to do this. And the only reason that they have to do that is because no one wants to play there because they run a poor franchise." [b]Clayton[/b]: That's what I think the concern is. I'm sure Mike Brown thinks it's working out well. I'm sure players have liked some of the things but I know some of the players haven't. What Mike Brown does not want to do was open the door for more people coming in and asking for trades, asking to be released. It would help if they could win. But you look at that team right now, no Carson Palmer, the likelihood [url="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2580/chad-ochocinco"][b][color="#d8431a"]Chad Ochocinco[/color][/b][/url] is going to go, the fact that [url="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2873/antwan-odom"][b][color="#d8431a"]Antwan Odom[/color][/b][/url] is probably going to be released too, now they're going to have $60 million to spend but the question is, if they lose [url="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2586/johnathan-joseph"][b][color="#d8431a"]Johnathan Joseph[/color][/b][/url], if they can't re-sign [url="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/3067/cedric-benson"][b][color="#d8431a"]Cedric Benson[/color][/b][/url], this is a team that very well could be looking at Andrew Luck next year. [url="http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/7/26/2296368/john-clayton-on-bengals-ownership-on-the-scott-van-pelt-show#storyjump"]http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/7/26/2296368/john-clayton-on-bengals-ownership-on-the-scott-van-pelt-show#storyjump[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SF2| Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 [quote name='bengalsfan2011' timestamp='1311723322' post='1004016'] True or not (and I lean towards not), most people outside of the Bengals rumormill/inner circle aren't thinking that's his reason. [/quote] Actually, most people think he is leaving because his wife wants out of Cincinnati. That is the main reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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