VonBlade Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Hmm. Volquez is pretty average, but the other three guys, Alonso especially, had something to give. Sure if Latos is a genuine #1 then it's a good trade. If he's even slightly dodgy, or heaven forbid the second coming of Milton, then ugh. Sad to see Willis go too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [quote name='VonBlade' timestamp='1324152521' post='1075768'] Hmm. Volquez is pretty average, but the other three guys, Alonso especially, had something to give. Sure if Latos is a genuine #1 then it's a good trade. If he's even slightly dodgy, or heaven forbid the second coming of Milton, then ugh. Sad to see Willis go too. [/quote] yea I liked Willis too, but there wasn't much room for him. Wasn't any room really. Still don't get why they are trying to make Chapman a starter, especially since they just traded for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Latos is from my area, he and my brother are friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorclaws Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 I like the trade. Great pitching is going to cost money, prospects, or a combination of the two. Latos is dirt cheap so it was going to take a lot of prospects to get him. The team is trying to win now. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [url="https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN"]Buster_ESPN[/url] [color=#999999][size=3]Buster Olney[/size][/color] [color=#999999][size=2] [/size][/color] [font=Arial,] First rival evaluator I spoke with LOVES the trade for the Padres: "San Diego made an absolute killing with that deal."[/font] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/148142400051757056"]16 minutes ago [/url][size=2][url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Favorite[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Retweet[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Reply[/b][/url][/size] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN"]Buster_ESPN[/url] [color=#999999][size=3]Buster Olney[/size][/color] [color=#999999][size=2] [/size][/color] [font=Arial,] Same evaluator thinks Latos's fastball command is the big question for him, along with the question of how he grows mentally as a pitcher.[/font] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/148142912809598976"]14 minutes ago [/url][size=2][url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Favorite[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Retweet[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Reply[/b][/url][/size] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman"]johnfayman[/url] [color=#999999][size=3]John Fay[/size][/color] [color=#999999][size=2] [/size][/color] [font=Arial,] Asked Jocketty if it's fair to say they don't have money to sign someone to Willingham-like deal. "Very fair to say." [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23reds"][s]#[/s][b]reds[/b][/url][/font] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman/status/148141204427640832"]21 minutes ago [/url][size=2][url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Favorite[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Retweet[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Reply[/b][/url][/size][url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman"]johnfayman[/url] [color=#999999][size=3]John Fay[/size][/color] [color=#999999][size=2] [/size][/color] [font=Arial,] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Reds"][s]#[/s][b]Reds[/b][/url] have talked to free agents outfielders Jason Kubel and Cody Ross. Kubel hit .273/.335/.459 with the Twins last year.[/font] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman/status/148140958305878016"]22 minutes ago [/url][size=2][url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Favorite[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Retweet[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Reply[/b][/url][/size][size=4] [indent=1.45] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman"]johnfayman[/url] [color=#999999][size=3]John Fay[/size][/color] [color=#999999][size=2] [/size][/color] [font=Arial,] RT [url="https://twitter.com/#!/smylebutta"][s]@[/s][b]smylebutta[/b][/url] any chance u could help me out with Latos contract terms?//Will make about $500,000 this year. Arb-eligible in '13[/font] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman/status/148140485821743104"]24 minutes ago [/url][size=2][url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Favorite[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Retweet[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Reply[/b][/url][/size] [/indent][/size] [size=4] [img]https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/518275190/olney_buster_m_normal.jpg[/img][indent=1.45] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN"]Buster_ESPN[/url] [color=#999999][size=3]Buster Olney[/size][/color] [color=#999999][size=2] [/size][/color] [font=Arial,] First instinct on Latos deal: No way SD trades him if they thought he was really good. Acute fly ball pitcher, high emotions headed to CIN.[/font] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/148140279470358529"]25 minutes ago [/url][size=2][url="https://twitter.com/#"][/url][/size][/indent][/size][url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman"]johnfayman[/url] [color=#999999][size=3]John Fay[/size][/color] [color=#999999][size=2] [/size][/color] [font=Arial,] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Reds"][s]#[/s][b]Reds[/b][/url] will look at signing a free agent closer. "We'll talk with (Cordero) again."[/font] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman/status/148139319582920704"]29 minutes ago [/url][size=2][url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Favorite[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Retweet[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Reply[/b][/url][/size][url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman"]johnfayman[/url] [color=#999999][size=3]John Fay[/size][/color] [color=#999999][size=2] [/size][/color] [font=Arial,] Jocketty says plan is still to start Chapman. "We can always change later on." [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Reds"][s]#[/s][b]Reds[/b][/url][/font] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman/status/148139060672737280"]31 minutes ago [/url][size=2][url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Favorite[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Retweet[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Reply[/b][/url][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [url="https://twitter.com/#!/DatDudeBP"]DatDudeBP[/url]Brandon Phillips Wowwww... Not gonna lie, didn't see that coming! Guess time will tell [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23MESSAGE"][s]#[/s][b]MESSAGE[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/DatDudeBP/status/148148487555518465"]1 minute ago[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Latos has a career ERA at GABP of 1.93. In 2 starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [url="https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN"]Buster_ESPN[/url] [color=#999999][size=3]Buster Olney[/size][/color] [color=#999999][size=2] [/size][/color] [font=Arial,] If Reds make playoffs next year and/or in '13, in a weak division, and Latos helps, this trade will do exactly what they want/need it to do.[/font] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/148155281317183488"]16 minutes ago [/url][size=2][url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Favorite[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Retweet[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Reply[/b][/url][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 [url="https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN"]Buster_ESPN[/url] [color=#999999][size=3]Buster Olney[/size][/color] [color=#999999][size=2] [/size][/color] [font=Arial,] Reds continue to look for ways to upgrade their pitching staff. Even with Latos, could add another starter at some point.[/font] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/148171758640431104"]1 minute ago [/url][size=2][url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Favorite[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Retweet[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Reply[/b][/url][/size][url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman"]johnfayman[/url] [color=#999999][size=3]John Fay[/size][/color] [color=#999999][size=2] [/size][/color] [font=Arial,] Sabermetrics guy likes [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Reds"][s]#[/s][b]Reds[/b][/url] trade. [url="http://t.co/qfSupoIy"]bit.ly/uIRSuF[/url][/font] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman/status/148163850372517888"]33 minutes ago [/url][size=2][url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Favorite[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Retweet[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Reply[/b][/url][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDawgBengal Posted December 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Was on the road to St. Louis so I missed the trade going down but not a huge fan of it. Gave up way to much for a guy that was 9-14 last year in a pitchers ballpark. I know his ERA is good but heck Harang had a good ERA for the Padres. I would think with everything they gave up, they could have got a more proven pitcher like Shields or Jurrjens. I hope it works though and Latos turns out to be a true number one but right now the Padres trade raped the Reds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 [quote name='BigDawgBengal' timestamp='1324167082' post='1075806'] Was on the road to St. Louis so I missed the trade going down but not a huge fan of it. Gave up way to much for a guy that was 9-14 last year in a pitchers ballpark. I know his ERA is good but heck Harang had a good ERA for the Padres. I would think with everything they gave up, they could have got a more proven pitcher like Shields or Jurrjens. I hope it works though and Latos turns out to be a true number one but right now the Padres trade raped the Reds. [/quote] I would take Latos over shields or jurrjens any day of the weak. We have him under control till 2016 and only have to pay him like 500k this year. Hes also 24 and should keep getting better. Win loss record means nothing when you play for a team that averaged like 2 runs a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDawgBengal Posted December 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1324148838' post='1075746'] [url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman"]johnfayman[/url] [color=#999999][size=3]John Fay[/size][/color] [color=#999999][size=2] [/size][/color] [font=Arial,] Latos career ERA is 2.96 on the road. 3.20 at Petco. So he isn't a product of the park. [url="https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23reds"][s]#[/s][b]reds[/b][/url][/font]I [url="https://twitter.com/#!/johnfayman/status/148112218096013314"]6 minutes ago [/url][size=2][url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Favorite[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Retweet[/b][/url] [url="https://twitter.com/#"][b]Reply[/b][/url][/size] [/quote] Not sure where he is getting that road ERA number. Every site I look at his road ERA is slightly higher than his home ERA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 These are his stats in games the Pads lost: 7 IP 3 R 7 IP 2 R 6 IP 4 R 6 IP 3 R 7 IP 2 R 7 IP 1 R 6 IP 3 R 7 IP 3 R 7.1 IP 1 R 6 IP 3 R 5.1 IP 4 R 6 IP 2 R 6 IP 4 R 5.2 IP 4 R 5 IP 1 ER 4.1 IP 3 R 6.1 IP 5 R 6 IP 4 R In 12 of them he had a quality start. If he puts up those numbers with the reds offense he probably wins 17-20 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalRep85-9 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 [quote name='JBandJoeyV' timestamp='1324168915' post='1075813'] These are his stats in games the Pads lost: 7 IP 3 R 7 IP 2 R 6 IP 4 R 6 IP 3 R 7 IP 2 R 7 IP 1 R 6 IP 3 R 7 IP 3 R 7.1 IP 1 R 6 IP 3 R 5.1 IP 4 R 6 IP 2 R 6 IP 4 R 5.2 IP 4 R 5 IP 1 ER 4.1 IP 3 R 6.1 IP 5 R 6 IP 4 R In 12 of them he had a quality start. If he puts up those numbers with the reds offense he probably wins 17-20 games. [/quote] If those stats are chronological it looks like he wore down significantly as the year went on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBandJoeyV Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 [quote name='BengalRep85-9' timestamp='1324183814' post='1075836'] If those stats are chronological it looks like he wore down significantly as the year went on [/quote] A couple things...those were just games he pitched in that they lost. Doesnt include any of his wins. Second, the kid is still 24. He is probably still getting fully stretched out. Wearing down as the year goes on for young pitchers is common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Bowden said it was a bad trade, so World Series, Here We Come!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='kennethmw' timestamp='1324343272' post='1077271'] Bowden said it was a bad trade, so World Series, Here We Come!! [/quote] No shit, I saw that and I'm like you asshole you wouldnt know how to find a good pitcher if Nolan Ryan came up and asked to play for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 [quote name='Jamie_B' timestamp='1324354276' post='1077301'] No shit, I saw that and I'm like you asshole you wouldnt know how to find a good pitcher if Nolan Ryan came up and asked to play for you. [/quote] Actually, Bowden would probably let him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDawgBengal Posted December 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 [quote]The [url="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/chc/chicago-cubs"]Chicago Cubs[/url] and [url="http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/cin/cincinnati-reds"]Cincinnati Reds[/url] are close on a deal that would send reliever [url="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6489/sean-marshall"]Sean Marshall[/url]to Cincinnati in exchange for left-handed pitcher [url="http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30515/travis-wood"]Travis Wood[/url] and two minor leaguers, according to a source familiar with the situation. Wood, who turns 25 in February, was 6-6 with 4.84 ERA in 18 starts last season with the Reds. Wood beat the Cubs in his major league debut on July 1, 2010, allowing two runs on two hits in seven innings. He finished his rookie season 5-4 with a 3.51 ERA in 17 starts. Wood was the second overall pick of the 2005 draft. Wood pitched 10 games at Triple-A Louisville last season, going 2-3 with a 5.33 ERA. Marshall, 29, is one of the best left-handed relievers in baseball. Last season he went 6-6 with 2.20 ERA and had 34 holds, tied for second in the majors among left-handed relievers. That was also a single-season team record. Marshall is set to make $3 million in 2012, and he will be a free agent after the season. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 According to ESPN Chicago the deal has been agreed to in principle. Wood and 2 minor leaugers for Marshall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorclaws Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 I hate the trade unless there's some sort of extension for Marshall. Gave up on Wood way too early for a 1 year rental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 [quote name='gatorclaws' timestamp='1324504424' post='1077762'] I hate the trade unless there's some sort of extension for Marshall. Gave up on Wood way too early for a 1 year rental [/quote] Agreed. Seems like we are going all in and don't have that great of a hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Thought Wood had some good stuff, but just didn't have it together last year. Hopefully this is worth it. Don't we have trouble hitting lefties, or am I imagining this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 [quote name='kennethmw' timestamp='1324343272' post='1077271'] Bowden said it was a bad trade, so World Series, Here We Come!! [/quote] That's like Matt Millen dissing someone else's draft pick. But yeah, hate the this trade, particularly giving up on Wood so soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 [b][url="http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7377087/chicago-cubs-trading-sean-marshall-cincinnati-reds"]Source:[/url] Reds, Cubs agree on deal[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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