Hooky Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Somebody has to answer for AJ not getting a single fucking target in the first half. Gruden can go as long as MB doesn't hire another Jay Gruden. Get a real OC, a real HC, I would be fine with Zimmer as HC, if they get another real DC to replace him. But why would anybody expect MB to fire Marvin after 2 consecutive play-off seasons when he extended him after going 4-12? There has been a few HCs fired even consistently making the play-offs, but not winning any play-off games and rightfully so. Their job isn't to make the play-offs, it's to win the Super Bowl. So Marvin not even getting past the firt round after 10 years is a fail. But my ramblings are moot since he hasn't had to be accountable given the extensions he's gotten in that time. If I was MB: Promote ML to GM Zimmer to HC Get a new experienced OC and DC Let Maualuga walk Sign a Crocker type that can stay healthy. Sign a WR vet like Vincent Jackson. Let the OL grow up in the middle and put Trevor at Center. Keep Josh Brown Dump Tate Draft a return specialist WR ala Percy Harvin or maybe a Chris Rainey type RB. Also draft at: LB, S, CB, RB, not necessarily in that order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsFanFromNY Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 See ya Gruden. You sucked! Not sure why he's being interviewed for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsFanFromNY Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Hooky' timestamp='1357655952' post='1206329'] Somebody has to answer for AJ not getting a single fucking target in the first half. Gruden can go as long as MB doesn't hire another Jay Gruden. Get a real OC, a real HC, I would be fine with Zimmer as HC, if they get another real DC to replace him. But why would anybody expect MB to fire Marvin after 2 consecutive play-off seasons when he extended him after going 4-12? There has been a few HCs fired even consistently making the play-offs, but not winning any play-off games and rightfully so. Their job isn't to make the play-offs, it's to win the Super Bowl. So Marvin not even getting past the firt round after 10 years is a fail. But my ramblings are moot since he hasn't had to be accountable given the extensions he's gotten in that time. If I was MB: Promote ML to GM Zimmer to HC Get a new experienced OC and DC Let Maualuga walk Sign a Crocker type that can stay healthy. Sign a WR vet like Vincent Jackson. Let the OL grow up in the middle and put Trevor at Center. Keep Josh Brown Dump Tate Draft a return specialist WR ala Percy Harvin or maybe a Chris Rainey type RB. Also draft at: LB, S, CB, RB, not necessarily in that order. [/quote] I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Hooky' timestamp='1357655952' post='1206329'] Somebody has to answer for AJ not getting a single fucking target in the first half. Gruden can go as long as MB doesn't hire another Jay Gruden. Get a real OC, a real HC, I would be fine with Zimmer as HC, if they get another real DC to replace him. But why would anybody expect MB to fire Marvin after 2 consecutive play-off seasons when he extended him after going 4-12? There has been a few HCs fired even consistently making the play-offs, but not winning any play-off games and rightfully so. Their job isn't to make the play-offs, it's to win the Super Bowl. So Marvin not even getting past the firt round after 10 years is a fail. But my ramblings are moot since he hasn't had to be accountable given the extensions he's gotten in that time. If I was MB: Promote ML to GM Zimmer to HC Get a new experienced OC and DC Let Maualuga walk Sign a Crocker type that can stay healthy. Sign a WR vet like Vincent Jackson. Let the OL grow up in the middle and put Trevor at Center. Keep Josh Brown Dump Tate Draft a return specialist WR ala Percy Harvin or maybe a Chris Rainey type RB. Also draft at: LB, S, CB, RB, not necessarily in that order. [/quote] You are spot on! Excellent evaluation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBengal Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Hooky' timestamp='1357655952' post='1206329'] Somebody has to answer for AJ not getting a single fucking target in the first half. Gruden can go as long as MB doesn't hire another Jay Gruden. Get a real OC, a real HC, I would be fine with Zimmer as HC, if they get another real DC to replace him. But why would anybody expect MB to fire Marvin after 2 consecutive play-off seasons when he extended him after going 4-12? There has been a few HCs fired even consistently making the play-offs, but not winning any play-off games and rightfully so. Their job isn't to make the play-offs, it's to win the Super Bowl. So Marvin not even getting past the firt round after 10 years is a fail. But my ramblings are moot since he hasn't had to be accountable given the extensions he's gotten in that time. If I was MB: Promote ML to GM Zimmer to HC Get a new experienced OC and DC Let Maualuga walk Sign a Crocker type that can stay healthy. Sign a WR vet like Vincent Jackson. Let the OL grow up in the middle and put Trevor at Center. Keep Josh Brown Dump Tate Draft a return specialist WR ala Percy Harvin or maybe a Chris Rainey type RB. Also draft at: LB, S, CB, RB, not necessarily in that order. [/quote] Pretty much exactly what I would do if I was running the show. I would add: -move Burfict to starting MLB. -resign Andre and MJ. -Cut ties with Leonard, BJGE and Scott. Draft a pair of mid-round RBs and let them battle it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle1 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Wasn't Urban a name for OC at one time? I know he is our WR coach now. But, I thought he came from Philly and I think he has been a QB coach too. He would know WC offense from Andy Reid. Maybe he is promoted if Griden leaves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Jungle1' timestamp='1357660247' post='1206344'] Wasn't Urban a name for OC at one time? I know he is our WR coach now. But, I thought he came from Philly and I think he has been a QB coach too. He would know WC offense from Andy Reid. Maybe he is promoted if Griden leaves? [/quote] I'd imagine he would be the one promoted. That, or Zampese moves up and Grudent moves to QB Coach, which he also was in Philly. Andy Reid had tabbed him as his offensive coordinator in waiting in Philly. He got tired of waiting and came here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigris Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 This is what bothers me... Remember Andy rolling out after a rush and he hits Hawkins right in the hands but it's swatted down? In what league, in what age group, does a WR stop and wait for the ball ESPECIALLY when he's being tailed? That play may have upset me than any last Saturday. Pure ridiculousness. Andy didn't play a bad game. He didn't play great either, but I thought he played good enough to win it. Gresham, Hawkins, and Gruden failed us IMO on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='BlackBengal' timestamp='1357659202' post='1206340'] Pretty much exactly what I would do if I was running the show. I would add: -move Burfict to starting MLB. -resign Andre and MJ. -Cut ties with Leonard, BJGE and Scott. Draft a pair of mid-round RBs and let them battle it out. [/quote] I would keep Law Firm and use him in a less critical role like the Pats did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Here is an interesting Cardinal "Head Coach Search Tracker"...gives the names they have contacted and interviewed or are interviewing: [url="http://www.arizonasports.com/40/1599120/Arizona-Cardinals-head-coach-tracker"]http://www.arizonasports.com/40/1599120/Arizona-Cardinals-head-coach-tracker[/url] Looks like Haley and Ray Horton "want it bad". Would have to think that, unless Jay wows them out of the park, he's just another name on a list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongo Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='mongo' timestamp='1357617287' post='1206287'] I wonder if the era of high-powered offense has devalued the defensive coordinator as head coach. Right or wrong, the stigma seems to exist that defensive guys can't have good offenses. [/quote] Chicago has lined up 13 interviews for their head coaching job. Of the 13, only Mike Singletary is a defensive guy. The rest consist of one Canadian head coach, a bunch of offensive coordinators, and a few special team coordinators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='mongo' timestamp='1357667426' post='1206396'] Chicago has lined up 13 interviews for their head coaching job. Of the 13, only Mike Singletary is a defensive guy. The rest consist of one Canadian head coach, a bunch of offensive coordinators, and a few special team coordinators. [/quote] That seems to be because they are comfortable with the defense. I think they have already said their D-Coord is staying no matter who the new coach is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 eagles say they aren't interviewing Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiliMVP Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1357672958' post='1206446'] eagles say they aren't interviewing Jay. [/quote] Probably canceled after Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmckbengal Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Le Tigre' timestamp='1357663187' post='1206363'] Here is an interesting Cardinal "Head Coach Search Tracker"...gives the names they have contacted and interviewed or are interviewing: [url="http://www.arizonasports.com/40/1599120/Arizona-Cardinals-head-coach-tracker"]http://www.arizonasp...d-coach-tracker[/url] Looks like Haley and Ray Horton "want it bad". Would have to think that, unless Jay wows them out of the park, he's just another name on a list. [/quote] I would love to see Ray Horton as a head coach. I think he could do well, if Az can land a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='jmckbengal' timestamp='1357673292' post='1206449'] I would love to see Ray Horton as a head coach. I think he could do well, if Az can land a QB. [/quote] He may just be the token black guy in the interview process in the new NFL...he most likely won't get the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONYX Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 How can an OC who hasn't had his offense anywhere near the top ten during his first two seasons, be such a hot commodity in terms of a HC candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigris Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='sneaky' timestamp='1357673925' post='1206454'] How can an OC who hasn't had his offense anywhere near the top ten during his first two seasons, be such a hot commodity in terms of a HC candidate? [/quote] Maybe name? He is working with an awful young roster too. Maybe they are taking that into consideration. They looked good on our win streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='sneaky' timestamp='1357673925' post='1206454'] How can an OC who hasn't had his offense anywhere near the top ten during his first two seasons, be such a hot commodity in terms of a HC candidate? [/quote] Same reason he got hired. Name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky151 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='jmckbengal' timestamp='1357673292' post='1206449'] I would love to see Ray Horton as a head coach. I think he could do well, if Az can land a QB. [/quote] Cards need a whole O-line to keep their "QBs" healthy and deliver a running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='sneaky' timestamp='1357673925' post='1206454'] How can an OC who hasn't had his offense anywhere near the top ten during his first two seasons, be such a hot commodity in terms of a HC candidate? [/quote] Maybe because they aren't looking at it through a Jaded fans eyes? I don't mean that to be rude, but maybe they are looking at how he worked with Andy, and feel like he could help Kolb or Hoyer become a better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sois Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='kennethmw' timestamp='1357674681' post='1206462'] Maybe because they aren't looking at it through a Jaded fans eyes? I don't mean that to be rude, but maybe they are looking at how he worked with Andy, and feel like he could help Kolb or Hoyer become a better QB. [/quote] kenneth, is there anyone currently associated with the bengals who is not hall of fame caliber in your eyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|kennethmw| Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='sois' timestamp='1357674931' post='1206464'] kenneth, is there anyone currently associated with the bengals who is not hall of fame caliber in your eyes? [/quote] Do you ever comprehend anything I post? Actually, considering it's you, that's a rhetorical question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1357672958' post='1206446'] eagles say they aren't interviewing Jay. [/quote] [color=#333333][font=Arial, sans-serif][background=rgb(245, 245, 245)] [url="https://twitter.com/GeoffHobsonCin"][b]Geoff Hobson[/b] [size=3][s]@[/s][b]GeoffHobsonCin[/b][/size][/url][/background][/font][/color][color=#333333][font=Arial, sans-serif][background=rgb(245, 245, 245)] Hobson and Reedy interview with [url="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bengals&src=hash"][s]#[/s][b]Bengals[/b][/url] OC Gruden: Confirms interest from Eagles, Cards. Confirms his interest in breakaway back in draft[/background][/font][/color] [url="https://twitter.com/GeoffHobsonCin"][b]Geoff Hobson[/b] [size=3][s]@[/s][b]GeoffHobsonCin[/b][/size][/url] Sounds like Jay Gruden talking to Cards later in week, but nothng on sked yet in Philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [quote name='Khatmandude' timestamp='1357673495' post='1206451'] He may just be the token black guy in the interview process in the new NFL...he most likely won't get the job. [/quote] He is their DC...and a pretty fair defense at that. He would not be a "token" for the Cardinals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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