Bengals1181 Posted May 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Bridgewater is a less physically gifted Andy Dalton. He will fall to the 3rd round in my opinion. LESS physically gifted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBengal Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 2. Of the guys that would make sense at 24 that are at a position of need, I think Dennard is the one who just may fall into our laps. He doesn't fit every defensive scheme. And sometimes the guys who don't have elite measureables are the ones who fall just a little on draft day. Plus, he seems to have settled in around #20, so we wouldn't be talking about a huge drop like back when he was considered a top 10 guy. Maybe 50/50 he is there. I hope you are right. Dennard is the guy that I really want at 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBengal Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 LESS physically gifted? Yep. Same height, but played at much lower weight than Dalton did in college. Slighter build. Smaller hands. Similar speed. Less zip on his passes. Andy is much more solidly built than Bridgewater. Andy has better arm strength than Bridgewater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocalBengalEd Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Ha-Ha's not the caliber of player you "have to find a spot for." Haha is not very good. I've never understand the hype. He reminds me of Kirkpatrick, highly rated coming out of high school but didn't really do much in college and got drafted based on his earlier hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted May 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Haha is not very good. I've never understand the hype. He reminds me of Kirkpatrick, highly rated coming out of high school but didn't really do much in college and got drafted based on his earlier hype. Kirkpatrick was a highly productive college player. Ha-Ha reminds me more of Taylor Mays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBengal Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 I hope the Bengals take a break from Alabama players for a while. Their track record has been very poor lately. There have been 14 Alabama players drafted in the first round since Andre Smith was drafted in 2009 and more than half of them have not lived up to the hype. Some of them have been great (Julio Jones), but more often they have not lived up to the hype. I think that they are being overrated because they play on such an impressive team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothD Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 I hope the Bengals take a break from Alabama players for a while. Their track record has been very poor lately. There have been 14 Alabama players drafted in the first round since Andre Smith was drafted in 2009 and more than half of them have not lived up to the hype. Some of them have been great (Julio Jones), but more often they have not lived up to the hype. I think that they are being overrated because they play on such an impressive team. I posted a thread on this subject about a year ago. Saban runs a pro style offense. Most of his guys are NFL ready from day 1. Problem is that majority of his players who enter the league are always banged up when they are eligible for the draft. By the time they hit the NFL, most of his guys already have hard mileage on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Agree with both of you guys on the Bama players. Scary with the injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Has anyone watched much of Joel Bitonio? More I look at the Bengals wants/needs, the more he makes sense. Tobin was saying he thought he could play any of the 5 positions on the OL. With Whit aging at LT, Boling coming off of injury at LG and Pollak lacking NFL experience at Center, a jack of all trades type would be super valuable. Just plug him into the starting lineup wherever you end up needing him. He's also a really tough guy. I forget exactly, but some sort of fighting background? If you want to get physical and run the ball, he could be the guy. Not quite as much upside maybe as a guy like Kuandjio, but a lot safer in my opinion. If not at 24, perhaps a target after a trade down if they go that route... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Looks like it's failed test reporting day... The NFL purposely holds off reporting failed drug tests until after Jason's "Guess the Bengals' First Pick" is closed for additional picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocalBengalEd Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Kirkpatrick was a highly productive college player. Ha-Ha reminds me more of Taylor Mays. Come on dude. Kirkpatrick had only 19 pass deflections and 3 picks in his college career. Is that really considered highly productive? Really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted May 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Come on dude. Kirkpatrick had only 19 pass deflections and 3 picks in his college career. Is that really considered highly productive? Really PD's and INT's are not the end all be all. It's also about coverage and tackling, ya know. He was a 2 year starter in the best college conference. He was an All-American his final year. That's called having a productive career. You say he did nothing in college. College voters vote him an All-American. I wonder who's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 The NFL purposely holds off reporting failed drug tests until after Jason's "Guess the Bengals' First Pick" is closed for additional picks. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Has anyone watched much of Joel Bitonio? More I look at the Bengals wants/needs, the more he makes sense. Tobin was saying he thought he could play any of the 5 positions on the OL. With Whit aging at LT, Boling coming off of injury at LG and Pollak lacking NFL experience at Center, a jack of all trades type would be super valuable. Just plug him into the starting lineup wherever you end up needing him. Casserly had some interesting observations. Said Bitonio's arms are too short to pass his test as a LT and was viewed as an inside guy by most teams. Casserly then claimed several NFL teams had Bitonio ranked, not as a OG, but as the #1 center prospect. Late 1st round value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted May 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Casserly had some interesting observations. Said Bitonio's arms are too short to pass his test as a LT and was viewed as an inside guy by most teams. Casserly then claimed several NFL teams had Bitonio ranked, not as a OG, but as the #1 center prospect. Late 1st round value. Bengals worked him out at center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyrid Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Casserly had some interesting observations. Said Bitonio's arms are too short to pass his test as a LT and was viewed as an inside guy by most teams. Casserly then claimed several NFL teams had Bitonio ranked, not as a OG, but as the #1 center prospect. Late 1st round value. Good info (1181 also). When I saw Duke Tobin say that he could be a really good Center, it changed my perception of him a bit and raised his stock a little bit in my eyes. The Bengals have been pretty much saying Pollak is the man at Center. I took it at face value. But some of the late rumblings make me think that is maybe not the case... In other words, I think they would be fine with Pollak at Center but more as a Plan B. Plan A then would be to find a starting Center in the first 2 days of the draft and let Pollak compete with the rookie and possibly fill in at LG if Boling is on PUP. I could be totally wrong on that interpretation and definitely did not think that was the plan even a few days ago. But some of the late Bengals draft info has me maybe thinking a Center is just as likely a pick as a guy who could potentially be a franchise LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted May 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Good info (1181 also). When I saw Duke Tobin say that he could be a really good Center, it changed my perception of him a bit and raised his stock a little bit in my eyes. The Bengals have been pretty much saying Pollak is the man at Center. I took it at face value. But some of the late rumblings make me think that is maybe not the case... In other words, I think they would be fine with Pollak at Center but more as a Plan B. Plan A then would be to find a starting Center in the first 2 days of the draft and let Pollak compete with the rookie and possibly fill in at LG if Boling is on PUP. I could be totally wrong on that interpretation and definitely did not think that was the plan even a few days ago. But some of the late Bengals draft info has me maybe thinking a Center is just as likely a pick as a guy who could potentially be a franchise LT. I think Pollak is definitely the guy at center. Particularly considering its not a great center draft, but a pretty good OT/OG draft. So they can put Pollak at center and then bring in an OT to vie with Hawkinson and a recovering Boling at LG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 One guy who is a terrible athlete but I think might shine at C in the pros is Russell Bodine from UNC. And he's got a bit of a mean streak. I'd be curious to know if Gio's got any opinion of him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zins30 Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Players who go too high, too low A dozen players who could be drafted earlier or later than they should be Updated: May 6, 2014, 1:13 PM ET By Mel Kiper Jr. | ESPN Insider One of the things I always find humorous is when people claim I love or hate a player based on where I have him in a mock draft. Anybody who knows my history can go back and see numerous instances in which I've disagreed with my own mocks -- just look into where I stood on Jeff George. Mocks are, by definition, a projection of what I think teams could do. They aren't a recommendation based on my evaluations. So in this case I wanted to offer a glimpse into where I could end up disagreeing with my own mocks. I'm looking at players who could be taken too high, or too low. In the cases where they are taken too high, I simply don't think the player is worth as much as the likely pick slot. In the case of a player taken too low, I just think he's underrated. Let's take a look. Overdrafted On offense WR Kelvin Benjamin goes too high if ... He's taken in Round 1. He offers intimidating size at 6-foot-5 and 240-plus pounds, not to mention an 83-inch wingspan, but Benjamin has rough edges as a receiver, with inconsistent hands and merely average ability as a route-runner. And while he's massive, he doesn't separate from defenders with his speed (he ran a 4.61 40-yard dash at the combine in Indianapolis). I think he needs development and is a better fit in Round 2. QB Zach Mettenberger goes too high if ... He goes before Round 4. Even before you question the intangibles, you have to take into consideration the slow feet and lack of escapability combined with a release that isn't on the quick side. Mettenberger could succeed in a system where the blocking is assured, but he's vulnerable otherwise. He's worth a developmental shot, but not before Day 3. WR Cody Latimer goes too high if ... He goes in Round 1. There's a good chance he ends up there (I had him there in a recent mock), but my concern with Latimer is the ability to separate. He worked out well, but he doesn't play as fast with the pads on, and isn't the type of quick-twitch athlete who can shake defenders easily. His hands are very good, but Round 1 is a little bit of a reach for me. On defense CB Bradley Roby goes too high if ... He goes before Kyle Fuller. That would likely mean in Round 1. Roby is a special athlete, but he's inconsistent and needs to clean up his game from a technical standpoint. He could be a rookie that gets feasted on by savvy NFL wide receivers unless he learns quickly. He's worth an upside bet, but Fuller offers more certainty. DT He goes before Stephon Tuitt. I realize these are different types of players, but part of this assessment is based on the fact that at a similar size, Tuitt plays with more explosiveness when he's 100 percent. Tuitt's tape from his sophomore season greatly exceeds anything Hageman has shown. OLB Anthony Barr goes too high if ... He goes inside the top 20. His production was outstanding, but his awareness on defense is average to below average, and his main weapon as a pass-rusher is speed -- there isn't really any variety. He can be a good player with development, but he's not worth a high pick, given the questions. Underdrafted On offense RB Carlos Hyde goes too low if ... He falls past the middle of Round 2. In fact, I think Tennessee would be making a mistake if it doesn't grab him at No. 42. I realize running back is a position that lacks the importance it once had, but you get the added benefit of immediate returns from a player with this kind of talent. Hyde is a potential rookie of the year. WR Bruce Ellington goes too low if ... He falls into Round 2. Brandin Cooks is a very good player, and is likely off the board in the middle of Round 1. But if you watch the tape, you might say Ellington plays faster, and he can challenge a defender both underneath and over the top. He could be a steal. TE C.J. Fiedorowicz goes too low if ... He's around late in Round 3. Don't mistake the 6-5, 265-pounder as a plodder who simply runs a straight line and posts up. He can really move, dropping his hips to cut quickly and finding ways to separate from defenders. He's not a straight-line burner, but he can help an offense soon. On defense DE Stephon Tuitt goes too low if ... He's still on the board in Round 2. I love the fit in Seattle, where versatile linemen thrive, and Tuitt is a talented player who would be going higher if he had been healthy in 2013. If he's in great shape, he can be an impact rookie. S Jimmie Ward goes too low if ... He's around past the middle of Round 2. Don't be worried about a lack of competition. Ward looks like he's a step ahead of everybody else, and his instincts and range will play well at the next level. So many teams need safeties, so I'd be surprised if my No. 33-ranked prospect is around long on Day 2, if at all. OLB Kyle Van Noy goes too low if ... He's around past No. 45 (Detroit Lions). One of the more versatile defenders in the draft, Van Noy can feasibly play anywhere at linebacker, and shows great instincts and pursuit speed. If he went in Round 1, I wouldn't be the least bit bothered by it, as I consider him a top-30 player in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Priscoe's top 10 (Donald at #4 and Fuller at 10): 1. Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina 2. Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson 3. Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo 4. Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh 5. Greg Robinson, T, Auburn 6. Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida 7. Jake Matthews, T, Texas A&M 8. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M 9. Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina 10. Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 IMO the ONLY thing keeping Clowney from being a lock at #1 is the defensive scheme Houston runs. If they were a 4-3, I would imagine they would have had a deal or discussions about a deal and wouldn't have minded if it became public. I still think he goes #1..... Khalil Mack is like a Clay Matthews almost....and a much better fit in a 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted May 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 I'm looking at various big boards and trying to come up with a list of guys who will be gone by 24. Not counting the QB's, I'm only coming up with 14-15. Should be an interesting draft with where those other picks could come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted May 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Clinton-Dix may be the worst potential first round pick I've ever watched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khatmandude Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Clinton-Dix may be the worst potential first round pick I've ever watched. Ha Ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Ha Ha :rsju31uh9: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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