Jason Posted August 9, 2023 Report Share Posted August 9, 2023 Try to consider Paul Brown only for his success as the Bengals head coach. OC: Bill Walsh DC: Lou Anarumo ST: Darrin Simmons QB: Joe Burr RB: Corey Dillon LT: Anthony Munoz LG: Andrew Whitworth C : Bob Johnson RG: Max Montoya RT: Willie Anderson TE: Rodney Holman WR: JaMarr Chase WR: Chad Johnson WR: Isaac Curtis K: Evan McPherson P: Pat MacInally KR: Adam Jones PR: LeMar Parrish DE: Coy Bacon NT: Tim Krumrie 3T: Geno Atkins DE: Tre Hendrickson OLB: Reggie Williams MLB: Vontaze Burfict OLB: Takeo Spikes CB: Ken Riley CB: Jonathan Joseph Slot: Mike Hilton SS: David Fulcher FS: Jessie Bates 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Jason said: Try to consider Paul Brown only for his success as the Bengals head coach. You could also do an 'Owner' poll as well (father vs son), to ensure his place on the roster 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 55 minutes ago, BlackJesus said: You could also do an 'Owner' poll as well (father vs son), to ensure his place on the roster 😉 You’ve got a point. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 Gotta be PB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: Gotta be PB. Why? How many playoff games did he win as the Bengals head coach? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Jason said: Why? How many playoff games did he win as the Bengals head coach? Fastest HC to take an expansion team to the playoffs in an era where you were given NOTHING to start with. Went to the playoffs 3 times in 8 years. No wins. Tough road against the emerging Squealers juggernaught in the mid 70s. Incredible coaching tree. One of the best coaches of all time. He didn't always have the horses, but got a lot out of what he had. Wyche could have been the next Bill Walsh, but couldn't keep his mouth shut. He tore down as many Bengals teams as he built up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebengal Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 I went with Paul Brown, but it was a hard decision between him and Zac Taylor because football has changed so much. What could PB have done with a QB like Burrow? He got unlucky with Greg Cook and his injuries. Would PB’s coaching style go over well with this team or this era’s players? Would Zac Taylor look as good without Burrow? Zac Taylor has cultivated a certain culture and found talented, unselfish players to fit that culture. PB had talented players, but his culture was basically, “My way or the highway”. Yes, PB took an expansion team to the playoffs in 3 years. Taylor took a 2-14 team to the SB in 3 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 If the context of the choice is—as previously presented—the guy you want for “that game” (championship), then it gets much murkier. PB never had the “that game” to make a case. Forrest Gregg did have the “that game” (AFC Championship, assisted by Russian Front weather)…but didn’t in the SB Sam had several “that games” in ‘88 (everyone sort of forgets the final regular season game against WASH, the Divisional Round against SEA and the AFC Championship Game). Didn’t in the SB. In the context of delivering in “that game”, I would tend to lean towards Sam. ZT is 1A—as he has had more than a few “that games” in the past two seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 Paul making a late push from voters ... So Sam grabs the mic ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 I would put Paul Brown on the Mount Rushmore of the NFL. The NFL owes more to him than perhaps any other innovating mind. But to me, those talents are less of him as a Bengals coach and more related him as a pioneer of the game itself. Which is why I voted for Sam still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOC Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 If it wasn't for PB starting and coaching this team, we wouldn't be having any of these conversations, so that's why my vote went that way. I was leaning towards Sam, and was at the "don't live in Cleveland" game, but still had to go with Paul. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 Just now, MOC said: If it wasn't for PB starting and coaching this team ... Which is why I think we can still do an Owners poll for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOC Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, BlackJesus said: ... Which is why I think we can still do an Owners poll for him. Wouldn't that be like the ST coach poll then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, MOC said: Wouldn't that be like the ST coach poll then? Yes. But still gratifying to see the "No Katie, no vote" replies. 😁 I guess another way to address it would be to have a "GM poll", and have Paul Brown go up against Duke Tobin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esjbh2 Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 No question Paul Brown was an awesome coach and terrific innovator for football. However, in keeping with the spirit of the question, I'm picking a coach now to win the big game today and with the way the game is played today. To me, that means motivating players, scheming against the opposition, and winning the game. That being said, my choices came down to Zac and Sam and ultimately Sam got my vote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, esjbh2 said: No question Paul Brown was an awesome coach and terrific innovator for football. However, in keeping with the spirit of the question, I'm picking a coach now to win the big game today and with the way the game is played today. To me, that means motivating players, scheming against the opposition, and winning the game. That being said, my choices came down to Zac and Sam and ultimately Sam got my vote. If that's the measurement I go with Forrest Gregg. That guy had tons of respect. I'd run through a wall for him. Wyche was a good guy and a brilliant offensive mind, but he tore the team apart with his off the field shenanigans. Wyche had a moment, but then blew it up himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esjbh2 Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, UncleEarl said: If that's the measurement I go with Forrest Gregg. That guy had tons of respect. I'd run through a wall for him. Wyche was a good guy and a brilliant offensive mind, but he tore the team apart with his off the field shenanigans. Wyche had a moment, but then blew it up himself. Yeah fair points. However, and this may just be my interpretation/perception, but if we are talking playing the game today, I'm not sure that the coaching style Forrest had would be as effective? IMHO, the whole today vs the past, styles of play, styles of coaching, evolution of the game, etc, etc, were what made this exercise challenging and fun...and certainly debatable/discussionable (is that a word?) in an interesting way too. I love hearing peoples thoughts, recollections, and takeaways especially on the older stuff. I wasn't nearly as much of a fan back in the day and only casually followed and mostly only because they were the local team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Elflocko| Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 Zac has already gotten there and came damn close to winning, with absolutely the worst dumpster fire of an O-line to probably ever play in a Super Bowl as a unit. What the fuck could he do with Munoz? That’s why he got my vote. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 My issue with Sam was in the Super Bowl…when he clearly played conservative once inside FG range on their last(?) drive, setting up for the FG instead of trying to score a TD. 😡 [My perception was confirmed by NFL Films’ piece on that Super Bowl, with Sam saying something to that effect.] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 10, 2023 Report Share Posted August 10, 2023 2 hours ago, BlackJesus said: Yes. But still gratifying to see the "No Katie, no vote" replies. 😁 I guess another way to address it would be to have a "GM poll", and have Paul Brown go up against Duke Tobin. Tobin.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 There hasn’t been any change in this poll in several hours now so I’m calling it for Sam. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 Gotta be Sam. If you go back and watch clips of him, you fall in love with him all over again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 Anything other than PB is straight blasphemy and is an indictment of the football IQ of the posters on this board. Brown is one the best football coaches ever, he was so good they named a team after him...what other coach can say that? He could adjust to today's game as he was already years ahead of his peers. Sam Wyche over Paul Brown...seriously...in what world was Sam Wyche better than Paul Brown. He was a good coach but nowhere near Paul Brown. And Zac Taylor...well, he's good but having Burrow hides many of his flaws....you see what he did when he had Andy Dalton, a guy that Marvin Lewis went to the playoffs with multiple times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 29 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: Anything other than PB is straight blasphemy and is an indictment of the football IQ of the posters on this board. Brown is one the best football coaches ever, he was so good they named a team after him...what other coach can say that? He could adjust to today's game as he was already years ahead of his peers. Sam Wyche over Paul Brown...seriously...in what world was Sam Wyche better than Paul Brown. He was a good coach but nowhere near Paul Brown. And Zac Taylor...well, he's good but having Burrow hides many of his flaws....you see what he did when he had Andy Dalton, a guy that Marvin Lewis went to the playoffs with multiple times. Paul Brown made his hay as the Cleveland coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted August 11, 2023 Report Share Posted August 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, Jason said: Paul Brown made his hay as the Cleveland coach. Right, but he didn't forget everything about coaching once he left Cleveland. He was still a great coach here in Cincinnati, he just had less talented players initially. If you gave him an all time team to coach instead of an expansion team full of rookies and cast offs then that's a different conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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