OL Offseason 2024

[|BlackJesus|]

30 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

they need to be “on the cheap”. Do any of the projected FA’s mentioned meet that criteria? 

 

... Becton should be cheap as he's a gamble.

 

Then you still draft an RT (Paul, Mims, Fashanu, Fuaga, Guyton etc).  

[sparky151]

There's a pool of players who have been intended to be reserve or swing tackles but who ended up playing well in extended appearances. Guys like Morgan Moses, George Fant, Cam Fleming, Cam Erving, and Jermaine Eluemunor. The latter has probably elevated himself to getting a multi-year contract. The rest have been playing on 1 year deals for a while. There's also the Duane Brown and Jason Peters geriatric set. 

 

I'd be ok giving Eluemunor a 3 year deal or such and not using a high draft pick at RT. Or signing one of the others so we don't have to use pick 18 on a tackle. 

 

Basically we need to find a multi-year starting caliber player at NT or RT in free agency so we can get the other in the draft. After the combine, it doesn't look likely that T'Vondre Sweat will be off the board by pick 49. Probably not Kris Jenkins either. 

[Le Tigre]

2 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

... Becton should be cheap as he's a gamble.

Agreed. But he would be classified as "less than OK". 

 

1 hour ago, sparky151 said:

I'd be ok giving Eluemunor a 3 year deal or such

Does he elevate to "better than OK"? If so, he certainly will not be "on the cheap". 

[JC]

Listening to the new PDJ pod - the bengals appear to be rolling with Volson next year. Liked the way he played down the stretch.

[sparky151]

3 hours ago, Le Tigre said:

Agreed. But he would be classified as "less than OK". 

 

Does he elevate to "better than OK"? If so, he certainly will not be "on the cheap". 

 

Yes, Eluemunor played well the last couple of years. He'd started his career at guard, then moved to RT for the Raiders after Leatherwood flamed out. He's been cheap in prior years but has most likely earned himself a decent contract. He'll probably be paid less than Jonah and lacks the All-American and first round pedigree. On the other hand, PFF rates him as the better player each of the last several years and he's durable. 

 

My guess is he'll sign somewhere for less than $10 mil per. 

[spicoli]

 

[PatternMaster]

On 3/4/2024 at 12:14 PM, JC said:

Listening to the new PDJ pod - the bengals appear to be rolling with Volson next year. Liked the way he played down the stretch.

 

Volson gets all the chances to get Burrow hurt, Frank Pollack is looking bad continuing to back this guy who obviously needs to be replaced. 

[MichaelWeston]

13 minutes ago, PatternMaster said:

 

Volson gets all the chances to get Burrow hurt, Frank Pollack is looking bad continuing to back this guy who obviously needs to be replaced. 

 

Volson was very good when they changed the system for Browning......but the system was changed. So.....who knows

[MichaelWeston]

A starter level player who has experience at RT and LG would be great. That's Isaiah Wynn but his interviews just turn me off. 

[sparky151]

Patriots used their tag on Kyle Dugger (transition tag) so they can't use it on Brown or Onwenu, 

[Jamie_B]

26 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

Patriots used their tag on Kyle Dugger (transition tag) so they can't use it on Brown or Onwenu, 

 

Can you use a transition tag and a franchise tag? Don't know.

[PatternMaster]

2 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

 

Volson was very good when they changed the system for Browning......but the system was changed. So.....who knows

 

At no point was Volson very good, maybe less bad but he was not very good. He gets overpowered frequently and is a liability in pass pro, the Bengals could upgrade at LG easily. 

 

If Volson was released today, do you think there would be a bidding war for his services or would he be a backup on most teams...he's a backup that is starting because Pollack likes his grit or some intangible BS that deflects from his obvious lack of ability to play at the NFL level. 

[MichaelWeston]

59 minutes ago, PatternMaster said:

 

At no point was Volson very good, maybe less bad but he was not very good. He gets overpowered frequently and is a liability in pass pro, the Bengals could upgrade at LG easily. 

 

If Volson was released today, do you think there would be a bidding war for his services or would he be a backup on most teams...he's a backup that is starting because Pollack likes his grit or some intangible BS that deflects from his obvious lack of ability to play at the NFL level. 

 

Yes. He would easily find a spot. He was very good when they went under center with Browning. 

[texbengal]

2 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

Can you use a transition tag and a franchise tag? Don't know.

 

You have options for tags (e.g. franchose vs. transition) but I'm almost positive that you can't use both in the same year. 

[sparky151]

2 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

Can you use a transition tag and a franchise tag? Don't know.

 

No, a team can only tag 1 player per year. Choice of exclusive or non-exclusive franchise tag or transition tag. 

 

Teams can tender as many restricted or exclusive rights free agents as they want.

[PatternMaster]

19 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

 

Yes. He would easily find a spot. He was very good when they went under center with Browning. 

 

So you are saying that if the Bengals released Volson today he would be a starting LG for another NFL team, I wholly disagree, but to each their own. BTW, Volson had a 58.3 PFF grade for the 2023 season, which would be below average.

 

He's the only player on the o line that is considered to be a weak link that needs to be replaced as well

 

https://gridironheroics.com/bengals-options-at-left-guard-2024/

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While he played well enough in 2022 to make the team believe that he would develop into a solid offensive lineman, he has failed to develop in a fairly substantial sophomore season in 2023.  Just for a reference, Volson was graded at a 51.3 via Pro Football Focus (PFF) in 2022 which isn’t great but for a rookie, that is an acceptable number for someone you believe will improve.  Unfortunately for Cincinnati, that just wasn’t the case this season.

 

In 2023, Volson’s PFF overall score grew slightly to 58.3 as he ranked 44th among offensive guards.  Although his score may not have been great, the most substantial scoring for Volson is that his pass blocking score dropped from a 52.9 in 2022 to an abysmal 46.7 in 2023 as Volson gave up five sacks, six hits and 38 pressures on 730 passing plays.  Quite simply, Volson isn’t going to be an effective option as a pass protector if Cincinnati plans on protecting Burrow for a long career.

 

 

Taylor is a pass-oriented HC/play caller that loves to dial up the throws, even to the detriment of the offense and his players...see Burrow's torn ACL in his rookie year. You can't have an awful LG that allows your QB to be pressured up the middle like Volson does on a consistent basis, he can't pass protect at a high enough level to be a starter in the NFL on a team that will win the SuperBowl.

[MichaelWeston]

23 minutes ago, PatternMaster said:

 

So you are saying that if the Bengals released Volson today he would be a starting LG for another NFL team, I wholly disagree, but to each their own. BTW, Volson had a 58.3 PFF grade for the 2023 season, which would be below average.

 

He's the only player on the o line that is considered to be a weak link that needs to be replaced as well

 

https://gridironheroics.com/bengals-options-at-left-guard-2024/

 

Taylor is a pass-oriented HC/play caller that loves to dial up the throws, even to the detriment of the offense and his players...see Burrow's torn ACL in his rookie year. You can't have an awful LG that allows your QB to be pressured up the middle like Volson does on a consistent basis, he can't pass protect at a high enough level to be a starter in the NFL on a team that will win the SuperBowl.

 

If you have PFF you should be able to see how he played once we went under center with Browning. 

[|High School Harry|]

3 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

 

If you have PFF you should be able to see how he played once we went under center with Browning. 

Was Browning under center more?  

[PatternMaster]

12 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

 

If you have PFF you should be able to see how he played once we went under center with Browning. 

 

Is Browning going to be the QB for the Bengals for the rest of the decade?

 

He might have had a good 4-5 game stretch, but overall his performance has been subpar, he needs to be replaced or at the very least given legit competition to earn his job.

 

He was given the starting role in 2022 and didn't have to compete vs anyone in 2023, the stakes are too high and his previous performance is too low to just hand him the starting job without any real competition or threat of being replaced. 

[claptonrocks]

On 3/5/2024 at 12:39 PM, spicoli said:

 

Guess we should sign the great pressure stopping Williams again.

 

 

[PatternMaster]

Tyron Smith and a rookie RT would be an ideal solution, IMO. 

[spicoli]

17 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Guess we should sign the great pressure stopping Williams again.

 

 

Im guessing it’ll be Eleumunor and a rook. 

[MichaelWeston]

1 hour ago, High School Harry said:

Was Browning under center more?  

Yes they switched the offense and it was far more effective. Burrow doesn't like to take his eyes off the defense so he is in shot gun more. 

[MichaelWeston]

1 hour ago, PatternMaster said:

 

Is Browning going to be the QB for the Bengals for the rest of the decade?

 

He might have had a good 4-5 game stretch, but overall his performance has been subpar, he needs to be replaced or at the very least given legit competition to earn his job.

 

He was given the starting role in 2022 and didn't have to compete vs anyone in 2023, the stakes are too high and his previous performance is too low to just hand him the starting job without any real competition or threat of being replaced. 

i assume they will play Burrow more under center because it worked really well with Browning. But that remains to be seen. 

[claptonrocks]

1 hour ago, spicoli said:

Im guessing it’ll be Eleumunor and a rook. 

I hope so.