1 hour ago, claptonrocks said:

Uno gets paid.

Higgins moves on.

If Tee wants a superstar  contract he better perform like it this season.

 

 

Ja'Marr re-signs.

Tee moves on and regrets it as he watches Burton get

all the balls he should have had and catch them in the Super Bowl.

Too bad.  I really like Tee.

Mike Florio on Chase:

 

We said it last week. Now that Justin Jefferson has a new contract, we’ll say it again.

The Bengals need to get receiver Ja’Marr Chase signed ASAFP.

Chase, by all appearances, was waiting for Jefferson. And now that Jefferson has agreed to terms on a four-year extension with a new-money average of $35 million, the Bengals could do some fairly simple copying and pasting.

The fact that Chase has two years left on his rookie deal, at a total payout of $31.6 million, makes it easier to catch Jefferson’s new-money average.

From last week’s story: “If, for example, Jefferson pushes the bar to $35 million per year in new money, the Bengals could give Chase a three-year, $105 million extension ($35 million per year). That’s a five-year, $136.6 million deal. The total value at signing would be $27.32 million.”

 

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Or if the Bengals want to do a four-year, $140.4 million extension (getting Chase to $35.1 million per year), they could sign him to a six-year, $172 million deal. That’s $28.66 million per year from signing.

It’s a huge difference. Jefferson will get $31.94 million per year from signing. Chase can get less but, as to new money, get more.

Regardless, the sooner the Bengals do it, the better. If I was running the show in Cincinnati (and Bengals fans everywhere should be glad I’m not), I’d have it done by dinnertime today.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/bengals-need-to-get-jamarr-chase-done-now

 

39 minutes ago, dex said:

 

Mike Brown has always valued the QB and giving him shiny toys to work with. I think they make a guarantee exception for Chase. As BJ referenced earlier, I think this is a package deal. 🤞 

Unfortunate that Higgins is headed to free agency around the same time.  The team has no leverage other than the threat of a franchise tag.

 

I expect they'll work out a deal but damn.. if they don't? The cupboard is bare & you can bet his agent knows this.

I guess people have forgotten that AJ Green's 4Y $60M contract extension came with $32.75M in total guarantees or ~55%.  Lower % than Jefferson was just awarded, but times have changed as the WR market has exploded.  Also, for comparison at the time, Dalton's contract was 4Y $96M with only $17M of guarantees.  So no, they won't have an issue with making guarantees to Chase, nor should they.

21 minutes ago, Griever said:

Mike Brown has always valued the QB and giving him shiny toys to work with. I think they make a guarantee exception for Chase. As BJ referenced earlier, I think this is a package deal. 🤞 

Paul Dehner has a tremendous new article in The Athletic on the Chase situation. Here is a cherry-picked excerpt from it that I think lays out the contract challenge here well:

 

Such isn’t to say the future of Burrow and Chase together is suddenly jeopardized. Hardly. They are the heartbeat of the Bengals’ championship dreams. Everyone knows this. Eventually, the deal should get done.

The concern won’t be in the cost reaching near (or exceeding) $35 million per year, but what to make of those guarantees. The Bengals have notoriously never given high guarantees before Burrow. He was the exception. You can get away with that with a franchise-altering QB.

Going back and breaking their rules on guarantees with Chase would be the real problem. It could open Pandora’s Box for every great Bengals player to claim they deserve the big guaranteed money as well. Perhaps an argument could be made in viewing Burrow-Chase as a packaged exception to the rule from Day 1.

Yet, nobody would be surprised to see Bengals executive vice president Katie Blackburn and the family take a hard line on the guaranteed money with Chase...

 

It’s probably the one thing they can’t do with the Chase contract if they plan to continue doing business as they have for generations. Certainly, as it relates to the outlier of the Jefferson template.

 

 

3 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

Twitter bots already talking shit with AI images ...

 

Trey has 2 years left on his contract. He is awaiting nothing.

4 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

Funny satire ...

 

 

I'm going to need therapy after reading that. 

11 hours ago, JC said:

He’s got zero leverage. If he doesn’t show up and accrue a year, he won’t get to his fifth year salary which is $20M+. Is he really only going to show up and play the bare minimum amount of games two years in a row? No team would sign him to a massive contract like that if he pulled that off. He’s not built like that either.

 

He’s going to show up and hopefully have a great year and be in that market breaking conversation. But the Bengals breaking their guaranteed structure when they have at least three years of control cheaper than $35M+ isn’t going to happen. It will be more expensive next year - but I’m sure they’re willing to deal with that, if they’re even willing to come off their guarantee structure.

Good stuff..

 

7 hours ago, dex said:

Paul Dehner has a tremendous new article in The Athletic on the Chase situation. Here is a cherry-picked excerpt from it that I think lays out the contract challenge here well:

 

Such isn’t to say the future of Burrow and Chase together is suddenly jeopardized. Hardly. They are the heartbeat of the Bengals’ championship dreams. Everyone knows this. Eventually, the deal should get done.

The concern won’t be in the cost reaching near (or exceeding) $35 million per year, but what to make of those guarantees. The Bengals have notoriously never given high guarantees before Burrow. He was the exception. You can get away with that with a franchise-altering QB.

Going back and breaking their rules on guarantees with Chase would be the real problem. It could open Pandora’s Box for every great Bengals player to claim they deserve the big guaranteed money as well. Perhaps an argument could be made in viewing Burrow-Chase as a packaged exception to the rule from Day 1.

Yet, nobody would be surprised to see Bengals executive vice president Katie Blackburn and the family take a hard line on the guaranteed money with Chase...

 

It’s probably the one thing they can’t do with the Chase contract if they plan to continue doing business as they have for generations. Certainly, as it relates to the outlier of the Jefferson template.

 

 

Interesting food for thought.

 

How will  Katy do business now,?

The guaranteed money has taken over for "stars" of the league.

The  guaranteed seems around 66%for the elite players..

 

Shes very good at capoligy imo.

She also knows her QB wants him long-term.

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/gm-report/here-s-what-ja-marr-chase-s-contract-extension-with-bengals-could-look-like-01hzhccsvmmg

Latest from Chase ...

 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jamarr-chase-making-sure-my-body-is-right-ahead-of-bengals-return

Real money vs fake back-loaded money (which the Bengals don't do) 

 

If Chase gets a contract on the basic Jefferson model, he won't have to worry about backloaded money. Jefferson gets 88.7M as soon as he signs. That's about as real as money can get.

 

The Vikings rewarded Jefferson with a four-year, $140 million extension that includes $110 million guaranteed and $88.7 million due at signing, making him the highest-paid non-quarterback in NFL history.

17 minutes ago, dex said:

 backloaded money. 

 

The back-loaded is usually so agents can claim they eclipsed the last guy at that position, and ends up with a final year that is so large the player would have to renegotiate or be cut.

 

In contrast, the Bengals prefer to go big early and have real last years on contracts. It's more honest, but doesn't allow for headlines. 

 

I haven't seen what Justin's last year total is yet though. 

3 hours ago, dex said:

If Chase gets a contract on the basic Jefferson model, he won't have to worry about backloaded money. Jefferson gets 88.7M as soon as he signs. That's about as real as money can get.

 

The Vikings rewarded Jefferson with a four-year, $140 million extension that includes $110 million guaranteed and $88.7 million due at signing, making him the highest-paid non-quarterback in NFL history.

 

The 88.7 mil isn't due at signing, it's the total guaranteed from signing over the course of the contract. A small part of the total guarantees are for workout and roster bonuses which still have to be earned to be paid. 

5 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

Real money vs fake back-loaded money (which the Bengals don't do) 

 

Good stuff.

5 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

Latest from Chase ...

 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jamarr-chase-making-sure-my-body-is-right-ahead-of-bengals-return

A question which begs answering:

 

Uno has had a few dings in recent seasons. Nothing big but…

 

Everything is a well-calculated gamble, but what is a downside for putting much of their monetary assets into one player (or all eggs in one basket)? 
 

It’s somewhat rhetorical of a question, but I never see it discussed. 

33 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

A question which begs answering:

 

Uno has had a few dings in recent seasons. Nothing big but…

 

Everything is a well-calculated gamble, but what is a downside for putting much of their monetary assets into one player (or all eggs in one basket)? 
 

It’s somewhat rhetorical of a question, but I never see it discussed. 

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I think it's a big risk. With QB, you say roll the dice, because the difference of a truly elite guy like Burrow is proven and obvious. People can argue that Burrow has always had elite WRs, but I might also argue that he's never had a remotely decent OL. Would $35M per year be better spent on 1 elite WR or a competent platoon on the IOL and a great RB? 

 

Now, if the cap keeps booming and you can fit these kind of salaries, ok. But is the second most impactful position on the team WR? Aside from OL, which I consider the most important position group because it both protects the QB as well as establishes a running game that also helps the QB (by taking stress of him), I like to think of football players/positions in terms of which ones can truly change a game (other than QB)? Even talking about the very top guy in the league at every position... WR1 or CB1 who can shut that WR1 down? DE1 or OT1 who can shut that DE down? A DT1 who can't be shut down? Chase is great, no elite, but he has gotten shut down. But if I have Joe Burrow, who's going to find the open guy the scheme gives him on every play if he has time - no matter who that is - if he's got a competent OL, I'd personally be vying for that guy who can't be stopped at another position. If he doesn't have a competent OL, well, then you know where I'd be spending my big bucks

The counterpoint to that is Chase can score on any play where he's single covered so he attracts extra attention from the defense, which makes things easier for everyone else.

 

Having 2 high end WRs was the Bengals competitive advantage, especially when both were on rookie deals. 

19 hours ago, sparky151 said:

The counterpoint to that is Chase can score on any play where he's single covered so he attracts extra attention from the defense, which makes things easier for everyone else.

 

Having 2 high end WRs was the Bengals competitive advantage, especially when both were on rookie deals. 

True on rook deals

35mil for Chase in this market seems about right.

Iosivas seems a capable WR2 with his skill set and he's on a cheap rook deal.

Question is where they put the 22 mil or so money Tee won't get.

Where?

52 minutes ago, claptonrocks said:

Question is where they put the 22 mil or so money Tee won't get.