Steve Young says you have to look at Ownership

[PatternMaster]

4 hours ago, GoBengals said:

 

its delusional that fans think they know what the bengals are offering contract structure wise.

 

Frankly the only thing they need to change is their policy of not discussing contracts publicly, and leak info like agents do.

 

Chase for example

 

1. Chase came to them for an early extension

 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/jamarr-chase-cincinnati-bengals-approached-him-about-contract-extension-01j743j39cyw#:~:text=The 24-year-old wanted,a possible extension this offseason.

 

"I didn't ask for or demand a contract this year," Chase said before answering questions.

 

The three-time Pro Bowler said the Bengals front office approached him about a possible extension this offseason."

 

So who knows more about the contract that was offered, you or Chase?

 

[MichaelWeston]

3 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

6 DL and 2 CB's were traded and others were available.  The Bengals come out with 2 RB's when they pass 64% of the time.  

Makes perfect sense!  🤪

We wouldn't have wanted either CB and the DL are old. 

[MichaelWeston]

2 hours ago, sparky151 said:

 

Josh Uche would have been a good addition for the Bengals. Chiefs got him cheaply.

 

Bengals ownership is not very good. Look at the team's winning % under Mike Brown's ownership. There is a big nepotism problem with the team. 

 

Moving elsewhere isn't an option as the team would have to be put up for sale and it's probably worth more under competent ownership than under the Brown family. But most of the value was given to them so they aren't fighting to maximize it, ala Jerry Jones. Jones hasn't been back to the Superbowl in 30 years but he's won it 3 times and is clearly a better owner than Brown. 

 

 

Ownership doesn't make trades. 

 

There are like 2 members of his family in the front office and two running marketing. There isn't a big nepotism problem. 

[Randle P McMurphy]

18 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

Ownership doesn't make trades. 

 

There are like 2 members of his family in the front office and two running marketing. There isn't a big nepotism problem. 

 

3 of the 7 in the front office not named Mike Brown is family members and there isn't a big nepotism problem?

 

Front office Owner/president – Mike Brown Executive vice president – Katie Blackburn Vice president – Troy Blackburn Vice president of player personnel – Paul Brown Jr. Director of player personnel – Duke Tobin Senior personnel executive – Trey Brown College scouting director – Mike Potts Pro scouting director – Steven Radicivec

[TigerJ@w]

10 hours ago, GoBengals said:

oh thank god, steve young via the noise dot com, the pinnacle of football coverage.

He actually said that on the Dan Patrick show, but ok.  

[LostInDaJungle]

The one constant, in 50 years of sucking, has been the Owners. Scientifically speaking, we have changed all of the other variables.

Are some of you still chalking that up to some kind of luck?? Someone convinced you that Katie was the milkman's kid? That she's not an acorn that didn't fall far from Mike Brown's saggy nutsack? Have I ever told you the definition of insanity??

If you've been a long time fan, I can't believe that you're not thinking "One year we'll get lucky". C'mon. You don't really think that the Bengals ownership has a cohesive plan for long term success. I mean, they pretty openly tell us that they have an excellent plan for long term mediocrity by the way they pursue FA's and do contracts. Saving up their pennies for a rainy day. Joe Burrow has a sperm that looks promising, so we're saving for 2056 when we have to extend him. Sorry... Got to look for those second tier free agents that are a value again this year. We don't want to be foolish and spend too much for top caliber proven talent. Here's a former first round bust who looks promising!!!

We are a team run by bean counters. They'd rather do things their way than be one of those successful owners who back loads contracts to keep talent when you have two generational talents on their rookie contracts. They'd hate to eat any dead money when the window is closed. Can't give up those draft picks. They hire discount coaches, and their personalities are enough of a turn off to deter most guys with better prospects.

How long did it take for Carson to go from being mentioned in the same breath as Peyton to realizing he was never going to win here?? How many of the Andy/AJ years could have been a little more productive? Do I need to go back in time to the dumbest decision ever made by a football GM? Drafting Akili Smith. Do you know that GM still has his job to this very day?? I mean, crap, you'd think something like that would get a guy fired. Well, other than Dick LeBeau. Crazy bro.

The Bengals ceased to be a Drama back in the 90's. This show is a "Carter Country"/"Tommy Boy" type Comedy. Mike Brown is WKRP's Arthur Carlson. Only... In the real world, the evil billionaires do win. The guys who break rules they haven't written yet. Way too effin' much for my liking. So, I root for my underdog Bengals to finally roll enough 20's to one day critical hit their way to glory... But I am under no illusion that this ship is helmed by a competent captain. They are blind squirrels who are still trying to find a nut, and they've been handed dozens of them. It's so cute. The NFL keeps going "OK, here's a #1 QB, go ahead and hold onto that..." and Mike Brown keep letting it slip through his fingers. And I keep rooting for him to finally hold on to the nut. Go blind squirrel!

Hear them Bengals growling, fiscally responsible
We don't have dead money, it's unconscionable
On contracts we're tough, we don't pay enough
And our practice dome's a High School's
Cincinnati Bengals, give a cheer for their solvency
Frugal Bengals, keep that cap space that you hoard
To pay some guy in 20 33!!!

[Le Tigre]

The parody of the song alone is worth many upvotes. 😂

[|SF2|]

This team was in the Super Bowl 3 years ago and Conference Championship 2 years ago. Based on Young’s theory, the Patriots have terrible ownership based on their last 3 seasons.  Same with Seattle. 

[LostInDaJungle]

2 hours ago, SF2 said:

This team was in the Super Bowl 3 years ago and Conference Championship 2 years ago. Based on Young’s theory, the Patriots have terrible ownership based on their last 3 seasons.  Same with Seattle. 

"OMG, I am such a good GM!!!!"

[PatternMaster]

7 hours ago, SF2 said:

This team was in the Super Bowl 3 years ago and Conference Championship 2 years ago. Based on Young’s theory, the Patriots have terrible ownership based on their last 3 seasons.  Same with Seattle. 

 

Those franchises have actually won Superbowls, going and winning are not the same

[sparky151]

19 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

3 of the 7 in the front office not named Mike Brown is family members and there isn't a big nepotism problem?

 

Front office Owner/president – Mike Brown Executive vice president – Katie Blackburn Vice president – Troy Blackburn Vice president of player personnel – Paul Brown Jr. Director of player personnel – Duke Tobin Senior personnel executive – Trey Brown College scouting director – Mike Potts Pro scouting director – Steven Radicivec

 

Trey Brown isn't related to Mike. But the non-relatives work for the descendants of PB plus a son in law.

[LostInDaJungle]

19 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

3 of the 7 in the front office not named Mike Brown is family members and there isn't a big nepotism problem?

 

Front office Owner/president – Mike Brown Executive vice president – Katie Blackburn Vice president – Troy Blackburn Vice president of player personnel – Paul Brown Jr. Director of player personnel – Duke Tobin Senior personnel executive – Trey Brown College scouting director – Mike Potts Pro scouting director – Steven Radicivec

Rumor has it that Steven Radicivec is Mike Brown's illegitimate son from a dalliance he had with a slavic goat during WW1 when he was 17. And Duke Tobin has pictures.

[PatternMaster]

59 minutes ago, sparky151 said:

 

Trey Brown isn't related to Mike. But the non-relatives work for the descendants of PB plus a son in law.

 

The fact that all of VP and above positions are filled by family members and not the most qualified person for the job is the problem and it's also the definition of nepotism...Imagine if Apple was run by Steve Jobs sons,  grandkids, and other family members instead of executives that have proven track record of success...that would be ridiculous. 

[Le Tigre]

Reading that the Spanos family has at least 6 involved in franchise management. 
 

Just a comparison 

[Randle P McMurphy]

1 hour ago, sparky151 said:

 

Trey Brown isn't related to Mike. But the non-relatives work for the descendants of PB plus a son in law.

 

Who said Trey Brown was related to Mike?  Katie, Troy and Paul Brown Jr. are family members.  None of which could

get a job at their current title with the 31 other NFL franchises.  

[T-Dub]

On 11/21/2024 at 3:46 PM, PatternMaster said:

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/jamarr-chase-cincinnati-bengals-approached-him-about-contract-extension-01j743j39cyw#:~:text=The 24-year-old wanted,a possible extension this offseason.

 

"I didn't ask for or demand a contract this year," Chase said before answering questions.

 

The three-time Pro Bowler said the Bengals front office approached him about a possible extension this offseason."

 

So who knows more about the contract that was offered, you or Chase?

 

 

 

Then why was he sitting out of training camp?   Just didn't feel like it?  That might actually be worse than a hold-out/in/whatever.

[PatternMaster]

On 11/22/2024 at 9:20 PM, T-Dub said:

 

 

Then why was he sitting out of training camp?   Just didn't feel like it?  That might actually be worse than a hold-out/in/whatever.

 

He was negotiating a new deal, it's common for players to sit out during an active negotiation.

 

Not sure of your point 

[Bleeds Orange]

As the Packers were routing the 49ers on their way to 8-2, I commented to my son that it's funny that franchises like that can lose a Hall of Fame quarterback (Favre), keep winning, lose another Hall of Fame quarterback (Rogers), keep winning, change coaches, keep winning, etc. etc. 

 

Decided to do some research and found that they've made the playoffs 24 of the 32 seasons since 1993 and have won 10 or more games 20 of the last 30 seasons, both counting this year. Meanwhile we, as Bengals fans, are supposed to be grateful for a two-year mini run of relevance every 10 or 15 years. It gets old, and even if the reasons for the current failures are debatable, the lack of success since 1991 falls on management/ownership. 

[T-Dub]

1 hour ago, PatternMaster said:

 

He was negotiating a new deal, it's common for players to sit out during an active negotiation.

 

Not sure of your point 

 

The new deal he "didn't ask for"? 

[stan]

On 11/22/2024 at 7:35 AM, SF2 said:

This team was in the Super Bowl 3 years ago and Conference Championship 2 years ago. Based on Young’s theory, the Patriots have terrible ownership based on their last 3 seasons.  Same with Seattle. 

There is nothing great about the Patriots ownership.They lucked into drafting the best qb of all time,in the 6th round of the 2001 NFL draft.Even their head coach,had a losing record.,before Brady.

[|High School Harry|]

Fuck Steve Young.

[dex]

12 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

The new deal he "didn't ask for"? 

YES.

 

Chase, who completed the third year of his rookie contract in 2023, never asked the team for an extension during the offseason. Instead, it was the Bengals who broached the subject and they did it twice. According to ESPN, the team first brought it up at Chase's exit interview in January following the end of the 2023 season. The team then mentioned it again in February at the NFL combine. 

[T-Dub]

2 hours ago, dex said:

YES.

 

Chase, who completed the third year of his rookie contract in 2023, never asked the team for an extension during the offseason. Instead, it was the Bengals who broached the subject and they did it twice. According to ESPN, the team first brought it up at Chase's exit interview in January following the end of the 2023 season. The team then mentioned it again in February at the NFL combine. 

 

So if he didn't ask for a new contract, sitting out because he didn't have a new contract would be kind of bitchy, wouldn't it?

[dex]

4 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

So if he didn't ask for a new contract, sitting out because he didn't have a new contract would be kind of bitchy, wouldn't it?

Not at all.

 

If you want bitchy, see Brandon Aiyuk. That guy was in the media with a new comment almost daily, trashing his current team while demanding a new contract to his liking or else a trade to a team of his choosing who would give him the contract he was demanding. It was a regular soap opera for months played out on his social media and in the press.

 

Contrast that to Chase, who never publicly trashed his team or even said one negative word about his team in training camp. He was quiet as a church mouse. As far as I know, he has still never trashed the Bengals publicly in the media over his contract situation. 

 

The fact that Aiyuk got his contract extension with the 49ers with the bitchy LOUD approach while Chase was unable to do so with the Bengals with the QUIET approach probably tells us something, I guess, but I'm not sure what. The end result probably has less to do with the two WRs and how they conducted themselves while contract talks were happening. Might just be the vastly different approaches in the two  organizations when it comes to trying to maximize their championship windows. 

[PatternMaster]

9 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

So if he didn't ask for a new contract, sitting out because he didn't have a new contract would be kind of bitchy, wouldn't it?

 

Not at all, if your employer told you that they wanted to give you a raise after your annual review but then proceeded to play in your face you would probably feel slighted and disinterested in showing up for work. 

 

Chase is arguably the best player at his position in the world, the Bengals made a mistake by not extending him this offseason.