T-Dub Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Dang, and I kinda liked the Jags, at least as far as the AFC South goes... Are they building a dome or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabengals12 Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 And by being respected do you mean that he wasnt offered a promotion with the club he was just with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabengals12 Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Gabbert will regress... If that is possible. In order for Brat's vertical to be effective you need a great slot reciever for the underneath stuff and a gamechanger at #1 wr ala Chad Johnson. Are either of those guys in Jville? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Brat's 'you know what we do, now stop it' offense can work, with a lot of talent or against bad Ds. Sometimes a little deception goes a long way to help. In 2009 he reigned back the guns and did some creative stuff to win us games - overbalanced line, etc. He spat out the fishhook in 2010 and pretended it was 2005 again, and it wasn't. I was never an anti-Brat guy, but 2010 was a last straw. Perhaps the situation in Jax will get him creative again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASTYNATI Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I believe the Bengals play the Jags in Jax again this year, I will be sure to make it to this game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='Oldcat' timestamp='1326427530' post='1089203'] Brat's 'you know what we do, now stop it' offense can work, with a lot of talent or against bad Ds. Sometimes a little deception goes a long way to help. In 2009 he reigned back the guns and did some creative stuff to win us games - overbalanced line, etc. He spat out the fishhook in 2010 and pretended it was 2005 again, and it wasn't. I was never an anti-Brat guy, but 2010 was a last straw. Perhaps the situation in Jax will get him creative again. [/quote] I think his pass happyness can work in today's NFL, if called correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1326427809' post='1089206'] I think his pass happyness can work in today's NFL, if called correctly. [/quote] Its not just the pass happyness - no screens, few quick passes, no deception, routes that depend on QBs waiting for a route to develop.. with a great line, they can work. with an iffy one, they struggle. Like we did in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDingleDangle Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]Mike Mularkey and Brat...now thats an all-star coaching staff, they just need to add a horrible DC to get the trifecta and insure they will be moving to LA within 2 years[/size][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='MrDingleDangle' timestamp='1326429046' post='1089213'] [color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][size=3]Mike Mularkey and Brat...now thats an all-star coaching staff, they just need to add a horrible DC to get the trifecta and insure they will be moving to LA within 2 years[/size][/font][/color] [/quote] Bresnahan available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccartman2 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1326424634' post='1089176'] I agree. Seeing Brat as an OC elsewhere will give perspective to how good of an OC he was here. [/quote] No. MJD is aging and they don't have an Oline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDingleDangle Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='T-Dub' timestamp='1326429278' post='1089215'] Bresnahan available? [/quote] no he is helping Palmer trying and beat the Jaguars there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='MrDingleDangle' timestamp='1326429564' post='1089218'] no he is helping Palmer trying and beat the Jaguars there [/quote] Oh wow, back in Oakland? And people think [i]we[/i] have it bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scharm Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 In retrospect Brat probably had just as much to do with the bengals turn around as Marvin Lewis. The majority of players in that offense played for the bengals prior to Marvin in a system not implemented by Marvin. That said, even when they were top 10, I thought they under achieved given the talent and cap space. If you go back and look that offense would roll up huge numbers in a handfull of games then would have some putrid outputs. It was masked by the whipping boy defense that produced a ton of turnovers. Then Brat got stale. This applies to Marvin as well, but unless your getting top shelf results every year, then there is no need to keep a major coordinator or hc around 9, 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='ccartman2' timestamp='1326429299' post='1089216'] No. MJD is aging and they don't have an Oline. [/quote] their oline isn't that bad at run blocking, and MJD is only 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Good luck to him... he didn't quit here like some people, he just wasn't doing a good job here anymore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmckbengal Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [b] Source: Jags plan to ink Bob Bratkowski[/b] By Adam Schefter ESPN [url="http://search.espn.go.com/adam-schefter/"]Archive[/url] The [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/jac/jacksonville-jaguars"]Jacksonville Jaguars[/url] plan to hire former [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/atl/atlanta-falcons"]Atlanta Falcons[/url] quarterbacks coach Bob Bratkowski as their offensive coordinator, according to a team source. Bratkowski will once again work with new Jaguars head coach Mike Mularkey, as they did in Atlanta. Jaguars defensive coordinator Mel Tucker will remain in Jacksonville after turning down an offer to become [url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/min/minnesota-vikings"]Minnesota Vikings[/url] defensive coordinator, according to a league source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='dabengals12' timestamp='1326427094' post='1089199'] And by being respected do you mean that he wasnt offered a promotion with the club he was just with? [/quote] One of the big downsides to joining a board late is that you don't get the reference Jamie was making. Also pay attention to the Ninja, which means the post is intentionally tongue-in-cheek/sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I was glad to see Brat go also. We needed a breath of fresh air, but the jury is still out on Gruden. The next couple seasons will tell if the Bengals have improved over Brat. Gruden has gotten a lot of acclaim throughout the league that I don't really get for a 20+ ranked offense. Even with the many bad defenses that they've played. The O has a long way to go and will need some key acquisitions. Yes, he had 2 rookies in key positions, but he also had the advantage of the unknown, being a rookie OC. Obviously, I am hoping that he is the answer. I'm optimistic, but still reserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='Hooky' timestamp='1326463026' post='1089278'] I was glad to see Brat go also. We needed a breath of fresh air, but the jury is still out on Gruden. The next couple seasons will tell if the Bengals have improved over Brat. Gruden has gotten a lot of acclaim throughout the league that I don't really get for a 20+ ranked offense. Even with the many bad defenses that they've played. The O has a long way to go and will need some key acquisitions. Yes, he had 2 rookies in key positions, but he also had the advantage of the unknown, being a rookie OC. Obviously, I am hoping that he is the answer. I'm optimistic, but still reserved. [/quote] Offenses are always expected to struggle when you have a rookie QB in place for the year. Offenses usually struggle when you are installing a new system, with a new Offensive Coordinator. We had both situations occurring simultaneously during a lockout year where the coaches were not allowed to contact the players for most of the off season. It helps to have perspective, rather than looking at stats in a vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='Hooky' timestamp='1326463026' post='1089278'] Even with the many bad defenses that they've played. [/quote] 10 games against top 10 Defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaverHunter Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I was wrong, I said he would never be an OC again in the NFL. Good for him, bad for the Jaguars and their fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='Lucid' timestamp='1326464305' post='1089282'] Offenses are always expected to struggle when you have a rookie QB in place for the year. Offenses usually struggle when you are installing a new system, with a new Offensive Coordinator. We had both situations occurring simultaneously during a lockout year where the coaches were not allowed to contact the players for most of the off season. It helps to have perspective, rather than looking at stats in a vacuum. [/quote] [quote name='oldschooler' timestamp='1326465835' post='1089291'] 10 games against top 10 Defenses. [/quote] Yes, but they played some bad defenses and struggled. It's not a good offense yet. I'm not saying it's not going to be. I'm just saying before we laugh at the Jags for signing Brat, we should have a good offense ourselves. The offense hasn't improved yet over last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooky Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='Lucid' timestamp='1326464305' post='1089282'] Offenses are always expected to struggle when you have a rookie QB in place for the year. Offenses usually struggle when you are installing a new system, with a new Offensive Coordinator. We had both situations occurring simultaneously during a lockout year where the coaches were not allowed to contact the players for most of the off season. It helps to have perspective, rather than looking at stats in a vacuum. [/quote] Vacuum? I probably watched more games than you did. i have plenty of perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1181 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='Hooky' timestamp='1326468205' post='1089300'] Vacuum? I probably watched more games than you did. i have plenty of perspective. [/quote] he's not saying you didn't watch games. He's saying you can't just look at the stats and not factor in the circumstances of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|Lucid| Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 [quote name='Hooky' timestamp='1326468205' post='1089300'] Vacuum? I probably watched more games than you did. i have plenty of perspective. [/quote] Then why simply point to the ranking of the offense as an indicator of success? It's a little silly to make a comparison anyway in regards to Bob.. If he lights it up or sucks it up in Jax what in reality does that have to say about The Bengals and Bob's time together? Not much. Different situations, different times... Bob is obviously a hell of a football coach.. You don't make it in the NFL if you aren't. He has proven he has what it takes to coordinate in the NFL.. He can do it again in Jax perhaps if it's in the cards. Or maybe it will go horribly.. It doesn't change the fact that he had a good thing going in Cinci while it lasted, and at the end, it was time for it to be over. [quote name='Bengals1181' timestamp='1326468600' post='1089301'] he's not saying you didn't watch games. He's saying you can't just look at the stats and not factor in the circumstances of the situation. [/quote] Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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