Decisions the Bengals need to make the next few months

[I_C_Deadpeople 261]

Re-signed Dre to a huge deal was the ultimate dumb double down

[I_C_Deadpeople 261]

3 hours ago, spicoli said:

Oh the Ogb and Fisher draft set this franchise back at least 5 years.....there's just no way around that. 

 

Idiot John Ross surely didn't help either. I blame that one on Mike Brown though....that was soley his call, IMO. 100%.

The bad OL picks were made worse by the lack of admission and the lack of going into free agency to make up for it. Pick bad players, let go the good player then hand the job to the bad player. Oh the humanity!

 

but have no fear, Mikey “knows a lot about football”

[stryker57 29]

2 hours ago, spicoli said:

two words... 4.2 forty

and hands of stone.

[spicoli 361]

with the heart of a grape

[|SF2| 3,922]

6 hours ago, tibor75 said:

Don't forget Dre Dickpatrick and Dumbass Dennard.  Both stiffs.

Meh, they are average. Problem is we don’t have a true shutdown corner. 

[|High School Harry| 2,782]

9 hours ago, stryker57 said:

and hands of stone.

Head, too.

[sparky151 460]

On 12/23/2019 at 8:19 PM, stryker57 said:

only problem, once you cut/trade all those players , who says any FA wants to come here?  if you way overpay them there goes your cap space.  Dalton costs minor to keep , Gio has always played his ass off , the other 3 meh tradebait/camp bodies

 

Overpaying stiffs is the Bengals way and part of why they claim they can't afford to shop for good players in free agency. Dalton should be a backup QB in the NFL, not a starter. He's not worth 17 mil as a backup when we could get someone else for 5 or 6 mil. Paying Bobby Hart 6 mil makes him too expensive to keep around as a backup. He's not good enough to start. Veteran backup tackles cost 2 mil or less. Likewise with Gio. He's a quality human being but it's time to get some of the other players more work behind Mixon instead of paying 5 mil for a backup. Mixon should get 8 mil per year or so on a new deal. 

 

It's better to overpay good players than bad ones. 

[stryker57 29]

On 12/26/2019 at 1:44 PM, sparky151 said:

 

Overpaying stiffs is the Bengals way and part of why they claim they can't afford to shop for good players in free agency. Dalton should be a backup QB in the NFL, not a starter. He's not worth 17 mil as a backup when we could get someone else for 5 or 6 mil. Paying Bobby Hart 6 mil makes him too expensive to keep around as a backup. He's not good enough to start. Veteran backup tackles cost 2 mil or less. Likewise with Gio. He's a quality human being but it's time to get some of the other players more work behind Mixon instead of paying 5 mil for a backup. Mixon should get 8 mil per year or so on a new deal. 

 

It's better to overpay good players than bad ones. 

your pay scale is probably close , but thats what contending teams will pay, the bengals will mostlikely  only get players to sign that either get way more then 25 other teams would pay them . figure double, either that or no other team is offering them anything which means they suck or are just showing up for the money.   thats why they paid Hart 6 mil, not cause he's worth it,, that was probably the best they could get for that price.     

Mainly what i am trying to point out is if they have any other opportunity they just dont come here. sometimes even when we are offering more.  Sadly we are just a bargaining tool for agents to get more from the other team And after watching this Sideshow for 20-30 years somedays i cant really blame them. 

 

it is not that i am saying i disagree or its a bad idea I am more saying dont  cut just to get cap room because there is no guarantee they will get someone to replace without spending more or equal money,  for equal or lesser talent(or attitude issues) hell theres no guarantee they'll even use the cap space.     

[I_C_Deadpeople 261]

I am not even sure we are a bargaining chip any longer . The tier 1 free agents don’t bother coming here or are not invited but I am sure other teams just brush off offers from us as “ sure, you can make a bit more money there but do you really want to go there and lose?”

[I_C_Deadpeople 261]

Another site is saying Bengals just signed Hopkins, 3 years at $20M

[Shebengal 102]

2 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:

Another site is saying Bengals just signed Hopkins, 3 years at $20M

Just got a notification from nfl.com saying the same thing.

[Le Tigre 2,302]

Another one of those “Marvin picks” who was “inherited”

[Cat 531]

I'm watching College Gameday. Not just there, but EVERYONE is swinging on Burrow's nuts. He's had a great season, to be sure. And he seems like a great kid.

 

Just one thing. Can you match the QB to these stats?

 

Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
				QB	11	374	643	58.2	5140	8.0	8.3	54	20	146.8
				QB	10	278	497	55.9	3388	6.8	6.4	29	17	125.6

 

Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
				QB	11	108	200	54.0	1385	6.9	6.7	13	7	126.6
				QB	12	215	371	58.0	3763	10.1	10.9	32	8	167.3

 

 

Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
				QB	12	221	377	58.6	2717	7.2	6.5	13	12	124.2
				QB	13	309	489	63.2	3942	8.1	8.5	33	10	149.1

 

Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
				QB	13	219	379	57.8	2894	7.6	7.9	16	5	133.2
				QB	13	342	439	77.9	4715	10.7	12.3	48	6	201.5

 

 

My point is - with this staff, and with this O-line - does anyone really think he would be successful here? I wish he would be, and I hope he will be - but my confidence in this team is in the toilet right now.

[I_C_Deadpeople 261]

Just now, Cat said:

I'm watching College Gameday. Not just there, but EVERYONE is swinging on Burrow's nuts. He's had a great season, to be sure. And he seems like a great kid.

 

Just one thing. Can you match the QB to these stats?

 

Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
				QB	11	374	643	58.2	5140	8.0	8.3	54	20	146.8
				QB	10	278	497	55.9	3388	6.8	6.4	29	17	125.6

 

Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
				QB	11	108	200	54.0	1385	6.9	6.7	13	7	126.6
				QB	12	215	371	58.0	3763	10.1	10.9	32	8	167.3

 

 

Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
				QB	12	221	377	58.6	2717	7.2	6.5	13	12	124.2
				QB	13	309	489	63.2	3942	8.1	8.5	33	10	149.1

 

Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
				QB	13	219	379	57.8	2894	7.6	7.9	16	5	133.2
				QB	13	342	439	77.9	4715	10.7	12.3	48	6	201.5

 

 

My point is - with this staff, and with this O-line - does anyone really think he would be successful here? I wish he would be, and I hope he will be - but my confidence in this team is in the toilet right now.

Now, now don't be too negative about the team or some posters will demand you give up following . Stay the course, Mikey has a Master Plan! The re-build has started! In less than 5 years we will once again be losing first round playoff games, returning us to our former glory (hole). 

[spicoli 361]

43 minutes ago, Cat said:

My point is - with this staff, and with this O-line - does anyone really think he would be successful here? I wish he would be, and I hope he will be - but my confidence in this team is in the toilet right now.

so they should what, forego the pick and just say fuck it?

[I_C_Deadpeople 261]

Just now, spicoli said:

so they should what, forego the pick and just say fuck it?

Of course not that would be extreme. They should just sell the team. 

[spicoli 361]

1 hour ago, I_C_Deadpeople said:

Another site is saying Bengals just signed Hopkins, 3 years at $20M

Hopkins is an excellent C, I'm actually gonna give them props for this one....well done. 

 

Now go out and find 3 more OL just like him.

[Jason 3,822]

Draft Burrow.  Period.

[snarkster 267]

OLine
Trey Hopkins
Billy Price
Michael Jordan
Jonah Williams
Fred Johnson
(2nd or 3rd Rd RT)
[3 or 4 of: Cordy Glenn, Bobby Hart, John Miller, John Jerry, Alex Redmond, O'Shea Dugas, Isaiah Prince, Draft Picvk, FA, UDFA(s)]

TE
CJ Uzomah
Drew Sample
[1 or 2 of: Tyler Eifort, Cethan Carter, Mason Schreck, Jordan Franks, Moritz Boeinger, Draft Pick, UDFA(s)]

WR
AJ Green (Tag) ***If Not Dealt***
Tyler Boyd
Alex Erickson
[3 o,or 4 f: John Ross, Auden Tate, Damon Willis, Stanley Morgan, Trent Irwin, DeMarkus Lodge, Cody Thompson, Draft Pick, UDFA(s)]

QB 
(1) Joe Burrow
Andy Dalton (or) Ryan Finley ***One kept/one dealt*** 
FA (if Dalton dealt)
Joe Dolegala
[UDFA]

RB 
Joe Mixon
Gio Bernard
Traveon Williams
Rodney Anderson
[UDFA(s)]

 

DT
Geno Atkins
[3 or 4 of: Andrew Billings, Ryan Glasgow, Renell Wren, Josh Tupou, Niles Scott, Freedom Akinmoladun, Draft Pick, FA, UDFA(s)]

DE
Carlos Dunlap
Sam Hubbard
Carl Lawson
[1 or 2 of: Andrew Brown, Kerry Wynn, Davin Bellamy, Draft Pick, FA, UDFA(s)]

LB
Germaine Pratt
(2nd or 3rd Rd Draft Pick)
[4 or 5 of: Nick Vigil, Jordan Evans, Hardy Nickerson, LeRoy Reynolds, Brady Sheldon, Draft Pick, FA, UDFA(s)]

CB
William Jackson
Darqueze Dennard
Darius Phillips 
[2 or 3 of: Dre Kirkpatrick, BW Webb, Tony McRae, Greg Mabin, Torry McTyer, FA, Draft Pick(s), UDFA(s)

Safety
Shawn Williams
Jessie Bates
Clayton Fedjelem
Brandon Wilson
[1 or 0 of: Trayvon Henderson, FA, Draft Pick, UDFA(s)]

 

PK
Randy Bullock
[FA, UDFA]

P
Kevin Huber 
[Kaare Vedvik]

LS
Clark Harris

[UDFA]

[spicoli 361]

Man I completely forgot about Treveon Williams

[I_C_Deadpeople 261]

Mixon sends a shot across the bow:

 

Joe Mixon closed out the regular season by setting a career high in rushing yards as the Bengals beat the Browns to improve their record to 2-14 on the year.

That makes three losing records in Mixon’s three years with the team, but that hasn’t soured him on sticking around for the long term. Mixon is able to negotiate a contract extension for the first time this offseason and said he’d like to get the ball rolling on that front.

“I want to be a Bengal for life,” Mixon said, via the Cincinnati Enquirer. “I haven’t really thought about an extension. Right now is definitely the time to start getting into it. I don’t know much about the extension part. I just have to go in and hopefully we work something out. I just wish for the best. The ball is in their court, not mine.”

Mixon’s production surged over the second half of the season and he gave credit to the work done by the offensive line over the course of the season for helping him perform at a higher level. If the Bengals believe that things can continue to get better with more time together, Mixon may get the contract talks he’s looking for.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/31/joe-mixon-definitely-the-time-to-start-getting-into-extension-talks/

[Duluoz 94]

I know this is heresy, but any idea how many picks Cinci could accumulate by trading down? There's going to be a feeding frenzy for Burrow and Young and teams will overpay when that happens.

[spicoli 361]

Theres no way the Bengals are trading down with a franchise QB right there waiting for them. Not a chance in hell theyre passing up that opportunity. 

[I_C_Deadpeople 261]

I am not so sure there would be a 'frenzy', we may find teams looking at the top OT's at 3 and 4 spots and wanting to move up. Really hard to tell. 

[I_C_Deadpeople 261]

We have to at least replace a few assistant coaches, can't go 2-14 and hold the same staff. Miami fired their OC, OL coach and another assistant.