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1 hour ago, Kingspoint said:

Carmen gets a mulligan for last season.

Why?

Because he came to camp out of shape?

He was nowhere near NFL standards to make any contribution outside of a power gap offense..

Because he lacked fundemental techniques?

There's talent there..

He just has to work for it..

No mulligan though...

 

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1 hour ago, claptonrocks said:

Why?

Because he came to camp out of shape?

He was nowhere near NFL standards to make any contribution outside of a power gap offense..

Because he lacked fundemental techniques?

There's talent there..

He just has to work for it..

No mulligan though...

 

All Rookie Linemen come to camp out of shape.

 

Fundamentals were not teachable on that O-Line.  O-Lines must work together as a single unit.  That can't be taught if there are more than two young/bad players learning at the same time.

He had no reason to be starting any games last season.  Maybe not this season, but he's going to get first choice over anyone draft this season, while that new person learns the Offensive Line techniques, which will take nothing but time.  A 2nd Rd is an extremely high investment for a Guard.  They aren't tossing that out after one opportunity where he was never given any opportunities to succeed.

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31. Cincinnati Bengals

Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson

Cincinnati has the luxury of not needing to find an immediate starter in the draft. That leaves them to attack cornerback depth, an area team executive Duke Tobin identified as an issue after last year's Super Bowl loss. Booth has what the Bengals are looking for at outside corner -- good speed, quality length and the ability to play the ball in the air. That last part is incredibly valuable, especially for a Bengals team that won the AFC (and nearly the Super Bowl) because of its defensive turnovers. Booth had three interceptions in his third and final year at Clemson. With Eli Apple and Chidobe Awuzie projected as Week 1 starters, Booth has the luxury of working his way into the rotation and finding his footing in the NFL. -- Ben Baby

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16 minutes ago, Kingspoint said:

31. Cincinnati Bengals

Andrew Booth Jr., CB, Clemson

Cincinnati has the luxury of not needing to find an immediate starter in the draft. That leaves them to attack cornerback depth, an area team executive Duke Tobin identified as an issue after last year's Super Bowl loss. Booth has what the Bengals are looking for at outside corner -- good speed, quality length and the ability to play the ball in the air. That last part is incredibly valuable, especially for a Bengals team that won the AFC (and nearly the Super Bowl) because of its defensive turnovers. Booth had three interceptions in his third and final year at Clemson. With Eli Apple and Chidobe Awuzie projected as Week 1 starters, Booth has the luxury of working his way into the rotation and finding his footing in the NFL. -- Ben Baby

But...

He wont be there..

 

Andrew Booth is not going to drop 30 places in this draft..

 

 

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Right now I am more zoned in on the second round.

 

I like the other Center, Cam Jurgen, better. But not in the first round.  Limburgher gives me Billy Price willies deja vu all over again.

 

Best CB and Cam in the second would be peachy with me.

or Trade down and go Spicoli's man, Perrion Winfrey and Cam with

the second round picks.

 

But I would like to see Cam on this team and perhaps in the minority,

but I think Carman is a bust.  Not a lot of faith in him.  The old

wish in one hand and shit in the other and what do you have?

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My personal wish list:

 

Karlaftis (would be a dream if he fell)
Zion Johnson ( i just don't think they will take a G at 31 unfortunately b/c if he falls to 31 he's perfect)
Daxton Hill
Kaiir Elam
Linderbaum
Ediketie
Logan Hall
Devonte Wyatt
Cine
Booth
Kenyon Greene
Gordon

 

 

Booth (lack of testing/injury flags) and Wyatt (age and off-field flags) push them lower on my wish list.

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11 hours ago, Kingspoint said:

All Rookie Linemen come to camp out of shape.

 

Fundamentals were not teachable on that O-Line.  O-Lines must work together as a single unit.  That can't be taught if there are more than two young/bad players learning at the same time.

He had no reason to be starting any games last season.  Maybe not this season, but he's going to get first choice over anyone draft this season, while that new person learns the Offensive Line techniques, which will take nothing but time.  A 2nd Rd is an extremely high investment for a Guard.  They aren't tossing that out after one opportunity where he was never given any opportunities to succeed.

 

 

I agree with most of this but I hope they force him to earn the spot not just give it to him.  The one part I disagree is that All Rookie Linemen come in out of shape. That may have been true 30 years ago, but this day and age these guys have to know it's their job and stay on top of it. 

 

Hopefully his time not starting last season showed him nothing is given 

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Where will Karlaftis ultimately land in the draft?

Purdue star defensive end George Karlaftis has built a strong reputation with NFL teams because of his steady production and football-first mentality.

And the 6-foot-4, 276-pound All-Big Ten selection and third-team All-American ranks first in quarterback hits (14) and in the vertical leap at 38 inches, and he’s second in pressures (54), hurries (35), the short shuttle (4.34), and weight in comparison to fellow edge rushers available in the draft: Aidan Hutchinson (Michigan), Kayvon Thibodeaux (Oregon), Travon Walker (Georgia), Jermaine Johnson II (Florida State), and David Ojabo (Michigan).

The native of Athens, Greece, ran the 40-yard dash in 4.71 to 4.76 seconds at the Purdue Pro Day, insisting that he run outside in frigid, 30-degree weather conditions in front of 30 NFL teams.

“The Arizona Cardinals, who Karlaftis visited in addition to conducting a private workout for the Philadelphia Eagles and meeting with the New York Jets, are regarded as one of his strongest potential destinations in the first round, according to league sources.”

Karlaftis had 18 formal meetings at the NFL Combine, including the Cincinnati Bengals, Minnesota Vikings, Cleveland Browns, Jets, Detroit Lions, Miami Dolphins, and Eagles, per a league source. Wherever he lands, Karlaftis is regarded as a plug-and-play type.

Karlaftis gets high marks from scouts for power, pass-rushing repertoire, athleticism, and character. He recorded 5 sacks, 11.5 tackles for loss, 3 forced fumbles, and a touchdown last season. In 2019, he was a second-team All-Big Ten selection with 54 tackles, 17 for losses, 7.5 sacks, and 1 interception. He was voted second-team All-Conference again in 2020 despite limited time due to injuries and COVID-19 shortening the season.

NFL teams doing late homework on DeAngelo Malone

NFL teams are intrigued by Western Kentucky pass rusher DeAngelo Malone, the Senior Bowl Defensive Player of the Game.

Malone visited eight teams but also had some late virtual meetings during the draft process. The 6-foot-4, 240-pounder had Zooms with the Cardinals and the Kansas City Chiefs, according to a league source. He is regarded as a strong potential Day 2 draft target.

The two-time Conference USA Defensive Player of the Year visited the Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, San Francisco 49ers, Tennessee Titans, Philadelphia Eagles, Denver Broncos, and Atlanta Falcons. He also had private workouts with the Buffalo Bills, Colts, and Cincinnati Bengals, according to a league source.

At his campus pro day workout on March 31, Malone ran a 4.54 in extremely windy conditions. He had a 1.60 10-yard split, a 35 1/2-inch vertical leap, a 9-11 broad jump, a 4.36 short shuttle, and a 7.06 three-cone drill. Malone’s also bench-pressed 225 pounds 23 times. The Atlanta native has 10 1/8″ hands, 33 3/8″ arms, and a 79 3/8″ wingspan.

Operating at linebacker and defensive end at the Senior Bowl, Malone had 6 tackles, including 3 solos. He added a half-sack and 2 quarterback hurries.

Named Conference USA Defensive Player of the Year for the second time with 17.5 tackles for losses, 9 sacks, and 94 tackles with 4 forced fumbles, Malone set the school record with 34 career sacks. He finished with 349 career tackles, 60 tackles for losses, and 45 quarterback hurries.

Malone considered transferring to Illinois to play for current Texans coach Lovie Smith before deciding to stay at Western Kentucky. Smith wanted him to join him at Illinois. Now, their paths could potentially cross again.

 

Interest increasing in Virginia safety Joey Blount

Virginia safety Joey Blount has drawn increasing interest on the heels of an impressive pro day workout.

Blount (6-2, 205) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.38 seconds, bench-pressed 225 pounds 20 times, and had a 38-inch vertical leap with a 10’7″ broad jump.

Blount visited the Baltimore Ravens, Cincinnati Bengals, Los Angeles Chargers, San Francisco 49ers, and Pittsburgh Stealers and had a private workout for the Atlanta Falcons, according to a league source.

He’s a rangy, instinctive defensive back who was ultra-productive for the Cavaliers. Blount finished his career with 306 tackles, 5.5 sacks, and 9 interceptions. He had 87 tackles and 3 interceptions last season.

Brent Howell, Blount’s defensive coordinator at Virginia and current Vanderbilt defensive coordinator, previously praised him in an interview with Pro Football Network.

“Joey is someone that’s really passionate about the game, someone that has football instincts,” Howell said in a telephone interview. “It’s innate to him. He just gets around the ball. He understands where the ball is going to be, and he’s there fast. He triggers fast. He sees stuff. He plays fast. He doesn’t hesitate. He’s a guy who loves the game and plays passionately. He was a really productive player. Every year, he made havoc plays.

“He’s a football guy. Joey comes from a really good family. He was raised really, really well. He has a great support system. As much as he’s a good football player, he’s a really, really good person. He took advantage of his education at Virginia and is a leader in the community. Joey is an awesome person. He’s a great human being.”

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14 hours ago, Kingspoint said:

I'm not judging, and nobody should judge, a 2nd Rd Guard based upon his rookie season in a COVID-shortened training camp/OTA's/Rookie Camp, while being thrust next to bad options at Center making the line-calls and giving help.

 

And the sun was in his eyes, right? Carman was handed a starting job on a team with a lack of O-line talent and managed to lose it. 

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BLACKJESUS DRAFT BOARD

OF PROSPECTS I LIKE

( ) = round # worth taking them in

 

QB

EJ Perry       6’2, 210, Brown  (6)

 

RB

Breece Hall       5’11, 217, Iowa St.  (1)

James Cook       5’11, 190, Cincinnati  (3)

Tyler Goodson       5’10, 199, Iowa  (5)

 

WR

Treylon Burks       6’3, 225, Arkansas  (1)

Alec Pierce       6’3, 213, Cincinnati  (2)

Justyn Ross       6’4, 205, Clemson  (3)

Isaiah Weston       6’4,210, N. Iowa  (5)

 

TE

Trey McBride       6’3, 249, Colo St.  (1)

Greg Dulcich       6’5, 240, UCLA  (2)

Grant Calcaterra       6’5, 247, SMU  (3)

Charlie Kolar       6’6, 260, Iowa St.  (3)

Daniel Bellinger      6’6, 255, SD State  (4)

Austin Allen       6’8, 255, Nebraska  (5)

 

C

Tyler Linderbaum       6’2, 302, Iowa  (1)

Cam Jurgens       6’3, 305, Nebraska  (2)

 

G

Zion Johnson      6’3, 317, Boston Coll  (1)

Tyler Smith       6’6, 332, Tulsa  (1)

Cole Strange       6’6, 301, Tenn-Chatt  (2)

Jamaree Salyer       6’4, 325, Georgia  (2)

Luke Goedeke       6’5, 310, C. Mich  (2)

Marcus McKethan       6’7, 335, N. Carolina  (5)

 

OT

Bernhard Raimann       6’7, 305, C. Mich  (1)

Daniel Faalele       6’9, 387, Minnesota  (1)

Max Mitchell       6’6, 299, Louisiana  (3)

Kellen Diesch       6’7, 300, Arizona St.  (3)

Obinna Eze       6’8, 334, TCU  (4)

Matt Waletzko       6’7, 305, North Dakota  (4)

Andrew Rupcich       6’7, 323, Culver-Stockton  (6)

Austin Deculus       6’5, 321, LSU  (6)

Luke Tenuta       6’8, 319, V. Tech  (7)

Ryan Van Demark       6’6, 307, UConn  (7)

 

DE

George Karlaftis       6’4, 275, Purdue  (1)

Myjai Sanders       6’5, 255, Cincinnati  (3)

Cameron Thomas       6’5, 270, Sd State  (4)

 

DT

Jordan Davis       6’6, 340, Georgia  (1)

Travis Jones       6’5, 333, UConn  (1)

Logan Hall       6’6, 275, Houston (1)

John Ridgeway       6’6, 320, Arkansas  (2)

Thomas Booker       6’4, 309, Stanford  (4)

Marquan McCall       6’3, 379, Kentucky  (4)

Noah Elliss       6’4, 367, Idaho  (5)

Jordan Jackson       6’5, 294, Air Force  (6)

 

LB

Devin Lloyd       6’3, 225, Utah  (1)

Quay Walker       6’4, 240, Georgia  (2)

Chad Muma       6’3, 242, Wyoming  (2)

Brian Asamoah       6’1, 228, Oklahoma  (2)

Damone Clark       6’3, 240, LSU  (2)

Malcolm Rodriguez       5’11, 235, Ok St.  (3)

JoJo Domann       6’1, 230, Nebraska  (3)

Darrian Beavers       6’4, 255, Cincinnati  (4)

Troy Andersen       6’4, 235, Montana St.  (4)

Jeremiah Moon       6’5, 245, Florida  (5)

 

CB

Andrew Booth       6’0, 200, Clemson  (1)

Tariq Woolen       6’4, 205, UTSA  (2)

Marcus Jones        5’8, 185, Houston  (2)

Cam Taylor-Britt       6’0, 197, Nebraska  (3)

MJ Emerson       6’2, 200, Miss St.  (3)

Coby Bryant       6’1, 198, Cincinnati  (4)

Cordale Flott       6’2, 170. LSU  (4)

 

S

Lewis Cine     6’2, 200, Georgia  (1)

Bryan Cook       6’1, 210, Cincinnati  (3)

Sterling Weatherford       6’4, 221, Miami-Oh  (3)

Markquese Bell       6’3, 205, Florida A&M  (4)

Bubba Bolden       6’3, 204, Miami  (5)

Smoke Monday       6’3, 199, Auburn  (5)

 

P

Matt Araiza       6’2, 200, SD State  (3)

Jordan Stout       6’3, 209, Penn St.  (5)

 

LS

Cal Adomitis,       6’2, 250, Pitt  (6)

 

 

* My draft board has 69 players on it ... NIICEEEE

and I hope all 8 new Bengals are on this list, but I will settle for at least 4.

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23 hours ago, claptonrocks said:

But...

He wont be there..

 

Andrew Booth is not going to drop 30 places in this draft..

 

 

That was the beat writers' final mock draft from yesterday on CBS Sports, and Booth was Ben Baby's pick.  Beat Writer mock drafts are usually one of the best as each team, when they pick, has heard everything there is to hear locally from the team and can glean who their franchise would most likely take based on who is available at the moment of the pick.  What's missing is trades, that changes a lot.

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12 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

I agree with most of this but I hope they force him to earn the spot not just give it to him.  The one part I disagree is that All Rookie Linemen come in out of shape. That may have been true 30 years ago, but this day and age these guys have to know it's their job and stay on top of it. 

 

Hopefully his time not starting last season showed him nothing is given 

Nobody will be handed anything next season.  They are even willing to cut high draft picks early now instead of hanging onto thewm for stupid reasons.  And no more Maualuga's and Peko's, thankfully, trying to force square pegs into round holes.  They hopefully never draft any LB with the IQ of Maualuga again.

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11 hours ago, sparky151 said:

 

And the sun was in his eyes, right? Carman was handed a starting job on a team with a lack of O-line talent and managed to lose it. 

He never lost something he never earned.  He was forced into the spot out of a lack of options.  Any personnel evaluator worth a grain of salt will not fault him for not doing well under the conditions he was in.  He was not prepared to be starting.  He should have never been starting.  It made him worse instead of better as it never put him into any positions to succeed.  The only thing it did was lower his confidence level.  He needs to be put into situations where he can apply what he learns at a gradual level that coincides with him being given opportunities to have his limits pushed.  It's all about player development.  Last year, there was no player development on the Offensive Line.  It was a complete disaster because of the lack of talent all along the line, especially the interior where the Line Calls are being made.  Burrow was probably having to make the line calls and that's unacceptable.  Karras will play Center, and if we draft a C that can prove he should start, then Karras will still make the Line calls as he moves over to LG.

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48 minutes ago, Kingspoint said:

Nobody will be handed anything next season.  They are even willing to cut high draft picks early now instead of hanging onto thewm for stupid reasons.  And no more Maualuga's and Peko's, thankfully, trying to force square pegs into round holes.  They hopefully never draft any LB with the IQ of Maualuga again.

Dam why no love for Peko? Nothing wrong with Peko, he was a fine player for us. Fourth round DT that played well for years. 

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9 hours ago, Kingspoint said:

Nobody will be handed anything next season.  They are even willing to cut high draft picks early now instead of hanging onto thewm for stupid reasons.  And no more Maualuga's and Peko's, thankfully, trying to force square pegs into round holes.  They hopefully never draft any LB with the IQ of Maualuga again.

 

 

I understand that Mualuga was a 1 trick pony only good against the run, but Peko in his time here was a pretty good DT in the role that Reader is doing now.

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Peter Schrager has the Bengals taking TE McBride in his final mock draft ...

 

 
Pick
31

 

Colorado State · TE · Senior
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Daniel Jeremiah in his final mock has the Bengals taking Ojabo ...

 

 

Pick
31

 

Michigan · Edge · Sophomore (RS)
 

This just feels like a good fit. Ojabo, who suffered an Achilles tear at Michigan's pro day, would likely be healthy in time to help Cincinnati into the postseason, and the Bengals have always had an affinity for Big Ten prospects.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2022-nfl-mock-draft-4-0-steelers-lions-select-qbs-cowboys-pick-w

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On 4/8/2022 at 6:34 PM, spicoli said:


Man, our LBs are pretty fucking good huh?

Think how far they’ve come in such a short period of time. Wilson is about to become a superstar…imagine saying that going into last year.   

 

Hopefully it wasn’t all Al Golden lol 🤷‍♂️

 

 

 

No, hopefully it WAS all Al Golden, considering he's now Notre Dame's defensive coordinator!

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Ge-off Hobslobber :685:on Bengals.com just now 

31. BENGALS _ S-CB Jalen Pitre, Baylor; Geoff Hobson, Bengals.com

It was an honor the other day to be asked to Growl on The Athletic's podcast with Paul Dehner, Jr., and Jay Morrison and their blue-ribbon panel of Mo Egger, James Rapien and Jake Liscow. All smart guys that make you feel like you don't know enough, but after the self-flogging we realized that the Pitre pick makes even more sense in the harsh reality of Draft Day morning.

Yes, Florida cornerback Kaiir Elam, Iowa center Tyler Linderbaum and the almost mythical Houston defensive lineman Logan Hall are available here. But the Bengals need depth at cornerback and safety and here you get two for the price of one with the added bonus Pitre is a Zac Taylor Culture guy with impeccable locker room credentials already.

And he's also a Lou Anarumo do-it-all guy in a hybrid defense after marauding all over the Baylor defense in the versatile "Star," position. He can back up Mike Hilton in the slot on day one and he can learn the game from two of the best safeties in the league in Jessie Bates III and Vonn Bell.

 

There's some question about his size (5-11, 198 pounds) and ability to hold up and it doesn't appear like he'd give them depth on the outside. But at this point in the draft, he checks so many important boxes. Particularly the one labelled "Intangibles."

It's also a reminder here that if the Chiefs don't trade out, they have somewhat similar needs to the Bengals on defense.

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23 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

BLACKJESUS DRAFT BOARD

OF PROSPECTS I LIKE

( ) = round # worth taking them in

 

QB

EJ Perry       6’2, 210, Brown  (6)

 

RB

Breece Hall       5’11, 217, Iowa St.  (1)

James Cook       5’11, 190, Cincinnati  (3)

Tyler Goodson       5’10, 199, Iowa  (5)

 

WR

Treylon Burks       6’3, 225, Arkansas  (1)

Alec Pierce       6’3, 213, Cincinnati  (2)

Justyn Ross       6’4, 205, Clemson  (3)

Isaiah Weston       6’4,210, N. Iowa  (5)

 

TE

Trey McBride       6’3, 249, Colo St.  (1)

Greg Dulcich       6’5, 240, UCLA  (2)

Grant Calcaterra       6’5, 247, SMU  (3)

Charlie Kolar       6’6, 260, Iowa St.  (3)

Daniel Bellinger      6’6, 255, SD State  (4)

Austin Allen       6’8, 255, Nebraska  (5)

 

C

Tyler Linderbaum       6’2, 302, Iowa  (1)

Cam Jurgens       6’3, 305, Nebraska  (2)

 

G

Zion Johnson      6’3, 317, Boston Coll  (1)

Tyler Smith       6’6, 332, Tulsa  (1)

Cole Strange       6’6, 301, Tenn-Chatt  (2)

Jamaree Salyer       6’4, 325, Georgia  (2)

Luke Goedeke       6’5, 310, C. Mich  (2)

Marcus McKethan       6’7, 335, N. Carolina  (5)

 

OT

Bernhard Raimann       6’7, 305, C. Mich  (1)

Daniel Faalele       6’9, 387, Minnesota  (1)

Max Mitchell       6’6, 299, Louisiana  (3)

Kellen Diesch       6’7, 300, Arizona St.  (3)

Obinna Eze       6’8, 334, TCU  (4)

Matt Waletzko       6’7, 305, North Dakota  (4)

Andrew Rupcich       6’7, 323, Culver-Stockton  (6)

Austin Deculus       6’5, 321, LSU  (6)

Luke Tenuta       6’8, 319, V. Tech  (7)

Ryan Van Demark       6’6, 307, UConn  (7)

 

DE

George Karlaftis       6’4, 275, Purdue  (1)

Myjai Sanders       6’5, 255, Cincinnati  (3)

Cameron Thomas       6’5, 270, Sd State  (4)

 

DT

Jordan Davis       6’6, 340, Georgia  (1)

Travis Jones       6’5, 333, UConn  (1)

Logan Hall       6’6, 275, Houston (1)

John Ridgeway       6’6, 320, Arkansas  (2)

Thomas Booker       6’4, 309, Stanford  (4)

Marquan McCall       6’3, 379, Kentucky  (4)

Noah Elliss       6’4, 367, Idaho  (5)

Jordan Jackson       6’5, 294, Air Force  (6)

 

LB

Devin Lloyd       6’3, 225, Utah  (1)

Quay Walker       6’4, 240, Georgia  (2)

Chad Muma       6’3, 242, Wyoming  (2)

Brian Asamoah       6’1, 228, Oklahoma  (2)

Damone Clark       6’3, 240, LSU  (2)

Malcolm Rodriguez       5’11, 235, Ok St.  (3)

JoJo Domann       6’1, 230, Nebraska  (3)

Darrian Beavers       6’4, 255, Cincinnati  (4)

Troy Andersen       6’4, 235, Montana St.  (4)

Jeremiah Moon       6’5, 245, Florida  (5)

 

CB

Andrew Booth       6’0, 200, Clemson  (1)

Tariq Woolen       6’4, 205, UTSA  (2)

Marcus Jones        5’8, 185, Houston  (2)

Cam Taylor-Britt       6’0, 197, Nebraska  (3)

MJ Emerson       6’2, 200, Miss St.  (3)

Coby Bryant       6’1, 198, Cincinnati  (4)

Cordale Flott       6’2, 170. LSU  (4)

 

S

Lewis Cine     6’2, 200, Georgia  (1)

Bryan Cook       6’1, 210, Cincinnati  (3)

Sterling Weatherford       6’4, 221, Miami-Oh  (3)

Markquese Bell       6’3, 205, Florida A&M  (4)

Bubba Bolden       6’3, 204, Miami  (5)

Smoke Monday       6’3, 199, Auburn  (5)

 

P

Matt Araiza       6’2, 200, SD State  (3)

Jordan Stout       6’3, 209, Penn St.  (5)

 

LS

Cal Adomitis,       6’2, 250, Pitt  (6)

 

 

* My draft board has 69 players on it ... NIICEEEE

and I hope all 8 new Bengals are on this list, but I will settle for at least 4.

 

I feel like you would love  Bamidele Osaleni-Utah (7)

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