sparky151 Posted March 22, 2023 Report Posted March 22, 2023 I'd rather just extend Reader a season or two and draft a CB in round 2 instead of round 7. That will give us coverage in case Chido is a bit gimpy or leaves after 2023.
claptonrocks Posted March 23, 2023 Report Posted March 23, 2023 8 hours ago, sparky151 said: I'd rather just extend Reader a season or two and draft a CB in round 2 instead of round 7. That will give us coverage in case Chido is a bit gimpy or leaves after 2023. Id sign Reader for 3 if he performs as he has.. Hes one of the best NTs in the league.
sparky151 Posted March 23, 2023 Report Posted March 23, 2023 DJ is indeed one of the best NTs. But he's 28 now, turns 29 this year and the team doesn't like signing players past 30. I'd still give him a 2 year extension to hold down the fort in the middle of the line. Guys like Ted Washington or Vince Wilfork who are big and strong can play to an older age.
Jamie_B Posted March 23, 2023 Author Report Posted March 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, sparky151 said: DJ is indeed one of the best NTs. But he's 28 now, turns 29 this year and the team doesn't like signing players past 30. I'd still give him a 2 year extension to hold down the fort in the middle of the line. Guys like Ted Washington or Vince Wilfork who are big and strong can play to an older age. I suspect they draft someone this year to groom as his replacement. I had hoped it would have been Tyler Shelvin but that didn't work out.
I_C_Deadpeople Posted March 23, 2023 Report Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, sparky151 said: DJ is indeed one of the best NTs. But he's 28 now, turns 29 this year and the team doesn't like signing players past 30. I'd still give him a 2 year extension to hold down the fort in the middle of the line. Guys like Ted Washington or Vince Wilfork who are big and strong can play to an older age. Problem may be that some other team will give him a longer contract so he may fly the coop. Why take 2 years when he can get 4 elsewhere? Unless we had more guaranteed monies.
Jamie_B Posted March 23, 2023 Author Report Posted March 23, 2023 45 minutes ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: Problem may be that some other team will give him a longer contract so he may fly the coop. Why take 2 years when he can get 4 elsewhere? Unless we had more guaranteed monies. Think Ill hold off until he's officially extended.
happyrid Posted March 23, 2023 Report Posted March 23, 2023 20 hours ago, High School Harry said: I was waiting for the official MOC Draft. btw... I like it. I'd be thrilled with this draft.
|High School Harry| Posted March 23, 2023 Report Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, happyrid said: I'd be thrilled with this draft. MOC knows his football stuff.
sparky151 Posted March 23, 2023 Report Posted March 23, 2023 3 hours ago, I_C_Deadpeople said: Problem may be that some other team will give him a longer contract so he may fly the coop. Why take 2 years when he can get 4 elsewhere? Unless we had more guaranteed monies. That's why you extend guys going into the last year of their current deal. They can't negotiate with other team. If they don't take your best offer, so be it, you can look for a replacement in the draft. If they do accept, you have continuity on the line and don't need to use a draft pick at the position.
I_C_Deadpeople Posted March 26, 2023 Report Posted March 26, 2023 https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/21/bengals-lou-anarumo-usc-pro-day/ https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/22/bengals-troy-walters-smu-pro-day-rashee-rice/
spicoli Posted March 28, 2023 Report Posted March 28, 2023 ^ They’ve shown a lot of interest in Rashee Rice. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s the pick in R2 if he’s still around. This is the last year here for Boyd and they generally like to have their replacements already in house, so a WR early makes sense.
sparky151 Posted March 28, 2023 Report Posted March 28, 2023 My guess on the Boyd replacement is Jayden Reed in round 3 or 4. He can take Trent Taylor's roster spot in 2023 and return punts, then fill Boyd's role as WR3 starting in 2024.
claptonrocks Posted April 1, 2023 Report Posted April 1, 2023 3 hours ago, BlackJesus said: I'll take it ... Concur.. I want Jonrs to complete the rebuild of the oline. Nasty. road grader plus good pass protector... Just a physical.specimen. It would be a huge fortress for our QB to work his magic and Win the SB..
sparky151 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Posted April 1, 2023 Co-sign taking Dawand in round 1. It not only fixes the RT spot and completes the O-line, it also frees up a lot of cap space from not needing Jonah or Collins. That allows for extensions for Higgins or Wilson.
sparky151 Posted April 1, 2023 Report Posted April 1, 2023 I'm a bit concerned the Chiefs might want to give us some payback by jumping us for a RT. They have a bunch of picks this year from the Tyreek Hill trade and comp picks. So they have plenty of ammo to move up if they want. Their other big need is an edge rusher so they might use their first round pick there. But it's certainly not out of the question for them to jump in front of us for Dawand Jones or Darnell Wright. If they do that, then we probably just take a TE.
Jamie_B Posted April 1, 2023 Author Report Posted April 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, sparky151 said: I'm a bit concerned the Chiefs might want to give us some payback by jumping us for a RT. They have a bunch of picks this year from the Tyreek Hill trade and comp picks. So they have plenty of ammo to move up if they want. Their other big need is an edge rusher so they might use their first round pick there. But it's certainly not out of the question for them to jump in front of us for Dawand Jones or Darnell Wright. If they do that, then we probably just take a TE. I saw a mock of them doing that as well, hope it doesn't happen.
WRAPradio Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, membengal said: JoeG's quick take on same bit of news Interesting.
WRAPradio Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 Reminds me of a faster Dre Kirkpatrick based on the body type...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 NFL Draft Consensus Big Board, 5.0: Who’s rising and falling in top 100? Nick Baumgardner and Austin Mock Apr 4, 2023 12 The Athletic’s Consensus Big Board combines rankings from a wide range of draft experts to identify how the top prospects are viewed relative to the rest of this class. In theory, by the time we reach draft weekend, this set of rankings should help give us a handle on how picks could (or, at least, should) play out. ADVERTISEMENT Version 5.0 of the 2023 NFL Draft Consensus Big Board includes the latest top 100 from our own draft expert, Dane Brugler. With Dane’s rankings included, Austin Mock gives us a look at how things are shifting as we head into the home stretch. The board includes each player’s average ranking across all sources, as well as how far each player has moved within the top 100 since our previous update. Consensus Top 100 Big Board (April 4) PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL AVG. RANK PREVIOUS CHANGE 1 Will Anderson Jr. Edge Alabama 1.4 1 0 2 Bryce Young QB Alabama 2.8 2 0 3 C.J. Stroud QB Ohio State 3.9 4 1 4 Jalen Carter DT Georgia 4.3 3 -1 5 Bijan Robinson RB Texas 8.0 5 0 6 Peter Skoronski OT Northwestern 9.8 6 0 7 Tyree Wilson Edge Texas Tech 9.8 9 2 8 Paris Johnson Jr. OT Ohio State 12.7 11 3 9 Myles Murphy Edge Clemson 12.9 7 -2 10 Quentin Johnston WR TCU 13.4 8 -2 11 Christian Gonzalez CB Oregon 14.6 14 3 12 Joey Porter Jr. CB Penn State 15.0 13 1 13 Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR Ohio State 15.5 10 -3 14 Michael Mayer TE Notre Dame 18.3 12 -2 15 Jordan Addison WR USC 19.4 15 0 16 Brian Branch DB Alabama 22.6 18 2 17 Bryan Bresee DT Clemson 23.9 17 0 18 Jahmyr Gibbs RB Alabama 25.2 20 2 19 Devon Witherspoon CB Illinois 26.0 24 5 20 Broderick Jones OT Georgia 26.1 22 2 21 Anthony Richardson QB Florida 27.8 21 0 22 Cam Smith CB South Carolina 28.5 16 -6 23 Dalton Kincaid TE Utah 29.3 28 5 24 Nolan Smith Edge Georgia 30.9 25 1 25 Will Levis QB Kentucky 32.3 19 -6 26 Lukas Van Ness Edge Iowa 35.3 35 9 27 Darnell Wright OT Tennessee 36.2 32 5 28 Trenton Simpson LB Clemson 37.8 26 -2 29 Anton Harrison OT Oklahoma 38.7 30 1 30 Zay Flowers WR Boston College 39.2 36 6 31 O'Cyrus Torrence G Florida 40.2 31 0 32 Kelee Ringo CB Georgia 40.6 23 -9 33 Calijah Kancey DT Pitt 41.2 37 4 34 Deonte Banks CB Maryland 41.3 38 4 35 Isaiah Foskey Edge Notre Dame 42.9 27 -8 36 Drew Sanders LB Arkansas 43.3 42 6 37 BJ Ojulari Edge LSU 44.3 33 -4 38 Darnell Washington TE Georgia 45.2 41 3 39 Antonio Johnson S Texas A&M 45.3 29 -10 40 Dawand Jones OT Ohio State 46.1 34 -6 41 Josh Downs WR North Carolina 47.4 40 1 42 Will McDonald IV Edge Iowa State 48.0 39 -3 43 Emmanuel Forbes CB Misssissippi St. 48.1 44 1 44 Felix Anudike-Uzomah Edge Kansas State 48.7 43 -1 45 Luke Musgrave TE Oregon State 48.8 46 1 46 Mazi Smith DT Michigan 49.2 47 1 47 John Michael Schmitz C Minnesota 50.3 45 -2 48 Jalin Hyatt WR Tennessee 52.3 48 0 49 Matthew Bergeron OT Syracuse 53.3 50 1 50 Clark Phillips III CB Utah 57.0 49 -1 51 Jack Campbell LB Iowa 57.4 57 6 52 Cody Mauch OT North Dakota St. 59.1 55 3 53 Derick Hall Edge Auburn 59.3 53 0 54 Steve Avila C/G TCU 59.6 62 8 55 Gervon Dexter Sr. DT Florida 59.8 51 -4 56 Sam LaPorta TE Iowa 63.0 56 0 57 Keion White Edge Georgia Tech 63.1 71 14 58 Siaki Ika DT Baylor 63.1 52 -6 59 Tuli Tuipulotu Edge USC 63.3 63 4 60 Devon Achane RB Texas A&M 64.3 54 6 61 Adetomiwa Adebawore Edge Northwestern 64.7 60 -1 62 Zach Charbonnet RB UCLA 66.8 59 -3 63 Rashee Rice WR SMU 69.4 65 2 64 Andre Carter II Edge Army 70.0 58 -6 65 Jordan Battle S Alabama 70.7 61 -4 66 Hendon Hooker QB Tennessee 70.9 74 8 67 Zach Harrison Edge Ohio State 71.3 64 -3 68 Joe Tippmann C/G Wisconsin 71.8 96 28 69 Cedric Tillman WR Tennessee 72.3 76 7 70 Julius Brents CB Kansas State 72.6 81 11 71 Tucker Kraft TE South Dakota St. 74.1 75 4 72 Tyrique Stevenson CB Miami 75.9 73 1 73 Kayshon Boutte WR LSU 76.3 69 -4 74 Jaelyn Duncan OT Maryland 76.3 66 -8 75 Keeanu Benton DT Wisconsin 77.0 94 19 76 Eli Ricks CB Alabama 77.1 70 -6 77 Marvin Mims WR Oklahoma 78.2 77 0 78 Daiyan Henley LB Washington St. 78.3 80 2 79 DJ Turner CB Michigan 78.9 91 12 80 Garrett Williams CB Syracuse 79.3 72 -8 81 Tanner McKee QB Stanford 81.1 68 -13 82 Noah Sewell LB Oregon 81.3 67 -15 83 Sydney Brown S Illinois 81.8 82 -1 84 Christopher Smith II S Georgia 82.3 84 0 85 Byron Young Edge Tennessee 82.9 86 1 86 Kyu Blu Kelly CB Stanford 83.6 79 -7 87 Blake Freeland OT BYU 83.8 85 -2 88 Tank Dell WR Houston 85.6 88 0 89 Tyler Scott WR Cincinnati 86.0 NR NR 90 Henry To'oTo'o LB Alabama 86.1 78 -12 91 Luke Wypler C Ohio State 86.6 92 -1 92 Zacch Pickens DT South Carolina 87.6 90 -2 93 Darius Rush CB South Carolina 88.7 NR NR 94 A.T. Perry WR Wake Forest 89.3 98 4 95 Tyler Steen OT Alabama 89.8 97 2 96 Jartavius Martin S Illinois 89.9 NR NR 97 JL Skinner S Boise State 89.9 83 -14 98 Zach Evans RB Ole Miss 90.3 87 -11 99 Karl Brooks DT Bowling Green 90.7 NR NR 100 Jaylon Jones CB Texas A&M 91.0 NR NR Thoughts from The Athletic draft analyst Nick Baumgardner on the updated consensus board: • If we look back at the very first Consensus Big Board in this cycle, we can see how drastic some of these changes are. Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson is the obvious “riser,” as he was No. 45 on version 1.0. Of course, we told you then that was nuts. And though Richardson is the most popular player in this conversation because of the position he plays, another prospect who jumps to mind is Iowa edge Lukas Van Ness. He was No. 50 on the second board in late January. Our write-up at the time: “Lukas Van Ness should not be behind 49 other names here.” Dane has never given Van Ness any lower than a first-round grade, which is also where most NFL teams have had him throughout this process. Van Ness isn’t the only “he really shot up the draft charts … months after the season ended” case, but he’s a great example. Nobody has played a game since January. Why does this happen? What’s with all this board “climbing”? GO DEEPER Bruce Feldman's 2023 NFL mock draft: Sources dish on Stroud, Carter, Anderson and more Part of it comes from the endless gaggle of mock drafts we see in today’s chaotic media climate. Then there’s the fact many NFL watchers don’t get heavily into college tape until winter. But a sizable part of the issue — one that doesn’t get discussed enough — is the difference in how a college-first fan/football viewer and an NFL-first person see the same player playing the same sport. ADVERTISEMENT Everything in football is situational. There are 11 spots (22 in total on every snap) to fill every phase of the game, which makes for a lot of situations. Analyzing prospects through the lens of a college box score or by how that player’s team performed can be among the most misleading things in the entire draft process. Complete context is always required, and in college football, finding that context is hard and takes a lot of work. Thus, the ever-popular mid-winter NFL Draft board “climb” that isn’t really a climb at all. If the Beast is the main course, this is the appetizer. Top-100 draft board with a fresh new layout that can be categorized by position. https://t.co/wPguUxHGMK — Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) March 29, 2023 • Proof water always finds its level? Bowling Green edge Karl Brooks finally cracked the consensus top 100, and it only took four months to get there. Brooks, a glaring combine snub, was one of the most dynamic pass rushers in the country. He’s just an oddly build one: a 6-4, 300-pound interior tackle who has played outside linebacker (with success). Brooks is a very interesting player who won’t have to wait forever to hear his name called on draft weekend. He posted more than 100 combined pressures over the last two seasons (69 in 2022 alone). • Ditto for South Carolina cornerback Darius Rush and Illinois safety Jartavius “Quan” Martin, two players who have great college tape and put it all on display both at the combine and during the college all-star game process. Jumping out of the stadium. 🐇@IlliniFootball DB Jartavius Martin with an insane 44" vertical. 📺: #NFLCombine on @nflnetwork 📱: Stream on NFL+ pic.twitter.com/KfMTm4xTeA — NFL (@NFL) March 3, 2023 • The biggest risers on this board are a pair of Wisconsin Badgers: offensive lineman Joe Tippmann (No. 68, up 28 spots) and defensive tackle Keeanu Benton (No. 75, up 19 spots). Tippmann’s versatility in a class like this is too good to ignore. You’re not looking at a ton of great interior depth this year, and Tippman’s power at center or guard is terrific. ADVERTISEMENT It’s a similar argument for Benton. He’s a powerful, twitched-up interior defensive lineman, and he’s really difficult to move off his spot in the run game. Both guys are second-round picks, in my opinion. It’s always interesting how the deeper we get into the process, the more old reliables — tough guys who are hard to move — find their way up draft boards. GO DEEPER Top remaining need for all 32 NFL teams and how the teams may address them • Noah Sewell took the biggest tumble (down 15 spots to No. 82). Once again, that feels more like a correction of the earlier boards simply being way too high on a guy for reasons that aren’t important. Sewell was No. 32 on this thing back in January and that was a stretch to say the least. Fair or not, Sewell’s brother (Penei) is a recognizable NFL name, which led to a boost in perceived “stock” for Noah. More relevant to the draft discussion, though, is that Sewell is a squat, 250-pound stack linebacker — a role that just isn’t valued the way it once was. For stack linebackers to earn high draft grades in the modern game, they have to be elite athletes without holes in their games and they have to be big/fast enough to play multiple spots in multiple alignments. Does Sewell fall under either umbrella? This isn’t to say I don’t like Noah Sewell, because I do. Players like him do add value in today’s game, and he will be drafted, possibly late on Day 2. That value, however, does not carry the same premium it once did.
membengal Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 Another guy team looking at (I assume for much later rounds in the draft or for UDFA) (reminder - top 30 visit does NOT mean a guy that is being considered for first round)
T-Dub Posted April 5, 2023 Report Posted April 5, 2023 On 3/23/2023 at 8:28 AM, sparky151 said: DJ is indeed one of the best NTs. But he's 28 now, turns 29 this year and the team doesn't like signing players past 30. I'd still give him a 2 year extension to hold down the fort in the middle of the line. Guys like Ted Washington or Vince Wilfork who are big and strong can play to an older age. Seem to recall another guy who was too old for an extension.. 7 years later he has a SB ring and we're hoping to have finally found a comparable replacement.
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