T-Dub Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Jamie_B said: Haven't we discussed the 3rd down back averaging more than the starter on several teams before? Good point but I don't think he was only in on 3rd downs. A side by side comparison of down & distance would be better but even then field position & other factors play a role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 48 minutes ago, dex said: I saw that play several times and on the last time I saw it, I thought I saw Volson well down the field, then thought..can't be...lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungletiger Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 6 hours ago, T-Dub said: The thing is when they do block, he'll get maybe 6-8 yards. To my eyes he used to run with a lot more burst & overall intensity. Doesn't mean he's shit now just that he doesn't look exceptional anymore. 2 of those and 1st down, I don't see the problem 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dautcom08 Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Jungletiger said: 2 of those and 1st down, I don't see the problem Could literally just do that the whole way into the end zone lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Jungletiger said: 2 of those and 1st down, I don't see the problem The problem is in the "when they do block" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungletiger Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 4 hours ago, T-Dub said: The problem is in the "when they do block" But thats a problem on every run my dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_C_Deadpeople Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 https://babylonbee.com/news/yellow-penalty-flag-to-be-featured-on-cover-of-madden-24 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 A couple of takeaways from looking at the offensive snap counts from the recent 2 games: - While Chase Brown may only get limited scrimmage snaps thus far, he touches the ball when he's on the field. He only got 11 snaps against the Jags yet somehow still got 9 rush attempts. Brown got 18 snaps against the Colts...8 carries plus 3 big receptions. So in 29 combined snaps over the last 2 games, Brown has gotten 20 touches. That's a crazy high percentage. - TE has become a pure blocking position...unless Tanner Hudson is in the game. Out of 133 combined snaps vs. Jags/Colts, Sample got 82 snaps. Some of them have been in the backfield as a 3rd down back. Wilcox has gotten 36 snaps in the last 2 games. Smith got 23 snaps vs the Jags, but then dropped down to only 8 snaps against the Colts. Hudson only got 26 combined snaps, but if he is on the field then he's heavily involved in the passing game. Against the Colts the TEs got 84 snaps in only 60 snaps...a lot of 2 TE looks with only 2 WRs. Boyd got barely more than half the snaps against the Colts. Bottom line, if you see either Brown or Hudson in the game, look for the ball to come their way often. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, dex said: A couple of takeaways from looking at the offensive snap counts from the recent 2 games: - While Chase Brown may only get limited scrimmage snaps thus far, he touches the ball when he's on the field. He only got 11 snaps against the Jags yet somehow still got 9 rush attempts. Brown got 18 snaps against the Colts...8 carries plus 3 big receptions. So in 29 combined snaps over the last 2 games, Brown has gotten 20 touches. That's a crazy high percentage. - TE has become a pure blocking position...unless Tanner Hudson is in the game. Out of 133 combined snaps vs. Jags/Colts, Sample got 82 snaps. Some of them have been in the backfield as a 3rd down back. Wilcox has gotten 36 snaps in the last 2 games. Smith got 23 snaps vs the Jags, but then dropped down to only 8 snaps against the Colts. Hudson only got 26 combined snaps, but if he is on the field then he's heavily involved in the passing game. Against the Colts the TEs got 84 snaps in only 60 snaps...a lot of 2 TE looks with only 2 WRs. Boyd got barely more than half the snaps against the Colts. Bottom line, if you see either Brown or Hudson in the game, look for the ball to come their way often. Wonder if they would consider using that as a decoy for both guys so they aren't showing tendencies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Wonder if they would consider using that as a decoy for both guys so they aren't showing tendencies? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: Wonder if they would consider using that as a decoy for both guys so they aren't showing tendencies? I don't know if 2 games is a large enough sample size to draw too many conclusions. Of course if Hudson is in the game he's a real receiving threat, but only one of several. He may be taking the role they originally envisioned for Smith at the start of the season. They clearly don't trust Hudson as a blocker at all. He has gotten 12 snaps in each of the last 2 games. I don't expect his snap counts to increase much. Brown is a little different since the coaches are still feeling out what he can do and what he might be ready for yet. He got 11 snaps of a possible 73 against the Jags, then that total increased to 18 snaps of a possible 60 against the Colts. The percentage of his snaps almost doubled against the Colts since there were fewer overall to share among the RBs. Will his usage continue to grow? Maybe it will, as long as he remains productive. But Brown is a small back, one reason why he was still available in the 5th round. I certainly don't expect him to ever become the workhorse he was in college. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, dex said: I don't know if 2 games is a large enough sample size to draw too many conclusions. Of course if Hudson is in the game he's a real receiving threat, but only one of several. He may be taking the role they originally envisioned for Smith at the start of the season. They clearly don't trust Hudson as a blocker at all. He has gotten 12 snaps in each of the last 2 games. I don't expect his snap counts to increase much. Brown is a little different since the coaches are still feeling out what he can do and what he might be ready for yet. He got 11 snaps of a possible 73 against the Jags, then that total increased to 18 snaps of a possible 60 against the Colts. The percentage of his snaps almost doubled against the Colts since there were fewer overall to share among the RBs. Will his usage continue to grow? Maybe it will, as long as he remains productive. But Brown is a small back, one reason why he was still available in the 5th round. I certainly don't expect him to ever become the workhorse he was in college. If Brown can take on the Gio Benard role, then I think we got a steal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeslumina Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 I think brown seems more like a 3rd down back and hopefully could develop some Bernard type route running. Use him as decoy too. His speed makes defense play certain way. Don’t run him up middle all time, where he will get hurt. The mixon at fullback with both in game would be amazing. Hopefully he can take extra workload. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungletiger Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 In cased ppl haven't heard or seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jamie_B Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 There is a scenario in which we get 10-7 with the only loss being against the Chiefs, and still don't make it in. Here is that scenario. This is the one that has me worried. (Win out and we have 100% chance to get in.) The tiebreakers really hurt us. The final result of that is..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 7 hours ago, Jamie_B said: There is a scenario in which we get 10-7 with the only loss being against the Chiefs, and still don't make it in. Here is that scenario. This is the one that has me worried. (Win out and we have 100% chance to get in.) The tiebreakers really hurt us. The final result of that is..... Well that sucks ass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Jamie_B said: There is a scenario in which we get 10-7 with the only loss being against the Chiefs, and still don't make it in. Here is that scenario. This is the one that has me worried. (Win out and we have 100% chance to get in.) The tiebreakers really hurt us. The final result of that is..... Okay, then….11-6, here we come. 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Tigre Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 11 hours ago, Jamie_B said: There is a scenario in which we get 10-7 with the only loss being against the Chiefs, and still don't make it in. Here is that scenario. This is the one that has me worried. (Win out and we have 100% chance to get in.) The tiebreakers really hurt us. The final result of that is..... Which game(s) are the killer in this scenario? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 Just remarkable that the AFC has 11 of their 16 teams with winning records so late in the year. By contrast the NFC has only 5 teams with winning records. The Bengals and a few other AFC teams could absolutely cruise into the playoffs if they were in the other conference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 21 minutes ago, Le Tigre said: Which game(s) are the killer in this scenario? There are in fact many scenarios where we lose only to the chiefs and still don't make it. If you use the playoff machine and choose winning percentage for future games, then convert a few of the ties to likely outcomes, we don't get in. In other words, the most likely outcomes (team with better record) has the Bengals missing the playoffs. Put me in the camp that wants to win them all and remove the doubt. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esjbh2 Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 26 minutes ago, dex said: Just remarkable that the AFC has 11 of their 16 teams with winning records so late in the year. By contrast the NFC has only 5 teams with winning records. The Bengals and a few other AFC teams could absolutely cruise into the playoffs if they were in the other conference. The other interesting stat is that the AFC North in particular is the only division, AFC or NFC, where every single team has a winning record. No other division is even close to that feat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 1 hour ago, alleycat said: There are in fact many scenarios where we lose only to the chiefs and still don't make it. If you use the playoff machine and choose winning percentage for future games, then convert a few of the ties to likely outcomes, we don't get in. In other words, the most likely outcomes (team with better record) has the Bengals missing the playoffs. Put me in the camp that wants to win them all and remove the doubt. Yes.. They can definitely win out.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Le Tigre said: Which game(s) are the killer in this scenario? We want the Colts, Denver, and Texans to lose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dex Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 Hope the flu bug isn't going around the team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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