Bengals offensive line had off day in Cleveland

[|BlackJesus|]

Video analysis of how well Dawand Jones did yesterday ... (good thing the Bengals passed on him in the draft 3 times) 😐 

 

[|BlackJesus|]

^ For the record I had the Bengals taking Dawand Jones with their first rd pick in the guess contest, and after yesterday it looks like he would have been well worth it. 

 

The fact that Dawand Jones lasted until the 4th round is inexcusable for the entire NFL, but especially the Bengals who needed an RT. 

[|BlackJesus|]

380 pound Dawand Jones just laying on Hubbard like a beached walrus ... nuff said

 

[PatternMaster]

1 hour ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

He's very average.

 

At best

[|BlackJesus|]

- OBj was the team's best overall OL (2nd best at run and pass blocking)

- Karras was the best run blocker 

- Cappa was the best pass blocker 

- Cappa was the worst run blocker 

- Volson was the worst pass blocker 

- Volson was the worst overall OL 

- The only 2 OL with a decent overall score were OBj and Karras. 

 

[esjbh2]

2 hours ago, SF2 said:

When I first read the thread headline I thought it said, “Bengals offensive line had DAY OFF in Cleveland”.  It sure looked like it. 

Hahahaha...I read it the same way the first time and thought "well, that's why we sucked so bad!" 

 

[Le Tigre]

The more I think about it...the less the "lack of pre-season game snaps" makes much sense. 

 

Primarily in pre-season--while the group might see an opposing team's first unit also--the defensive schemes/formations are specific to THOSE teams. Since they didn't play the Cleveland Football Team in the preseason, they would not have had opportunity to gameplan. 

 

Where the continuity factor may have come into play, was if they were not game-planning for CFT in the last week of TC and prep week. Then again, it's difficult to gameplan for a team's defenses based on the prior year's film, or even the current preseason. 

 

The old and overused saying "defenses are ahead of offenses this time of year", is yet apropos. They will have at least a week's worth of film for the Rats this week.   

[New Jersey Bengal]

3 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

Not just Pollack but whoever is scouting the guys we are drafting and or signing. This has been going on before Zack and Pollack were even here. 

Agree we need Better o line scouting seems we are decent elsewhere

[Jamie_B]

 

[New Jersey Bengal]

10 minutes ago, New Jersey Bengal said:

Agree we need Better o line scouting seems we are decent elsewhere

And bill Callahan has always been a very good online coach

[sparky151]

2 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

^ For the record I had the Bengals taking Dawand Jones with their first rd pick in the guess contest, and after yesterday it looks like he would have been well worth it. 

 

The fact that Dawand Jones lasted until the 4th round is inexcusable for the entire NFL, but especially the Bengals who needed an RT. 

 

It's a twofer. Dawand Jones in his first game in the NFL is already a better player than Jonah Williams. And paying Jonah 12.6 mil this year may cost us Higgins or Reader on extensions. 

[Le Tigre]

They were going to pay him $12.6 anyway. And, as BJ said, the Bengals could have had Jones with 3 bites from the apple—but didn’t 

[Shebengal]

5 hours ago, SF2 said:

When I first read the thread headline I thought it said, “Bengals offensive line had DAY OFF in Cleveland”.  It sure looked like it. 

Day off, off day, what’s the difference? Either way, they looked like crap 💩.

[|SF2|]

8 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

If you upgrade players and constantly get the same results, then perhaps it's schematic, and even an OL of 5 Anthony Munozs wouldn't matter. 

 

The Bengals passing scheme demands a Kamara / Gibbs type RB for it to work and they have yet to use one. Going in shotgun and having Mixon stand next to Burrow as a predictable blocker allows the DL to ignore the run entirely and pin their ears back. 

 

The Bengals should be calling KC and offering a 3rd rd pick for CEH, though KC likely wouldn't do it as they wouldn't want to reunite him and Burrow. 

At least have a workhorse type RB for short yardage and passing plays who is maybe 5-11 240lbs, is a great pass blocker and averages 4.1 yds a carry.  Don’t know where we could find one of those. 

[T-Dub]

6 hours ago, New Jersey Bengal said:

Agree we need Better o line scouting seems we are decent elsewhere

 

Don't need OL scouting if you don't draft any OL

 

[UncleEarl]

8 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Don't need OL scouting if you don't draft any OL

 

Or, they realize “we have no idea what a good college lineman looks like, so we’ll just sign free agents. 
 

Williams is an enormous bust as a first round pick.  He blows. 

[T-Dub]

1 hour ago, UncleEarl said:

Or, they realize “we have no idea what a good college lineman looks like, so we’ll just sign free agents. 
 

Williams is an enormous bust as a first round pick.  He blows. 

 

 

They can't afford to build a championship OL with nothing but proven free agents, if that's even possible. There are a lot more Cody Fords on the market than Ted Karrases.es.es. 

 

The obvious solution is to find someone that can evaluate OL talent and/or coach them up. The future of the franchise depends on it.

[|High School Harry|]

18 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

380 pound Dawand Jones just laying on Hubbard like a beached walrus ... nuff said

 

There's a video clip of this somewhere on here and Shamu was pulling Hubbard down by the collar of his jersey.

[Jamie_B]

12 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Don't need OL scouting if you don't draft any OL

 

 

 

OL Scouts also scout FA's. 

[Le Tigre]

2 hours ago, High School Harry said:

There's a video clip of this somewhere on here and Shamu was pulling Hubbard down by the collar of his jersey.

He was holding on virtually every rush that he had to extend his arms into the defender. For that matter, their entire line held constantly. But then again, when doesn't an NFL offensive line hold on virtually every play? 

[UncleEarl]

2 minutes ago, Le Tigre said:

He was holding on virtually every rush that he had to extend his arms into the defender. For that matter, their entire line held constantly. But then again, when doesn't an NFL offensive line hold on virtually every play? 

The Bengals then need to get a lot better at holding. 

[T-Dub]

2 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

 

 

OL Scouts also scout FA's. 

 

Well other than a couple of no-brainer Pro Bowl vet FA's their record has been terrible on both counts. 

[IKOTA]

Bengals line had a day off because they took the day off. Going to need several games to get this figured out. Sounds familiar…

[Jamie_B]

28 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

Well other than a couple of no-brainer Pro Bowl vet FA's their record has been terrible on both counts. 

 

 

And has been for years. Do we know who the scouts for this position group are and how long they have held that job?

[sparky151]

20 hours ago, Le Tigre said:

They were going to pay him $12.6 anyway. And, as BJ said, the Bengals could have had Jones with 3 bites from the apple—but didn’t 

 

Williams had a guaranteed contract due to the Bengals exercising his 5th year option. So he wouldn't be cut but could be traded. Indeed, he even asked to be. Unfortunately for the Bengals, Tobin's ego prevented him from admitting another draft bust and we kept Jonah. It was reported at the time that there would be a market for him. If we'd traded him, we could have gained a pick to use on Jones. So we paid 12.6 mil to field a poorer player. Not good Bob.