claptonrocks Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 2 hours ago, Jackie Treehorn said: See how he feels when MB won't sign a lucrative til all his contract and franchises are met.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claptonrocks Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 MB loves his skilled players first. He may see Burton and Iosivas as future stars on the rook deals. Money money money.. Loathe his decision making on contracts and team matters but respect the hell out of him as a rich and frugal businesman.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 13 hours ago, Jamie_B said: Today's price is not tomorrow's price. So very true. Bite the bullet and pay big now and next year we will talk about the contract being a steal. Well, he will probably want to renegotiate, but that's a moot point. A Highly Paid Ja'Marr is a Happy Ja'Marr and I like Happy Ja'Marrs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|High School Harry| Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 10 hours ago, Jackie Treehorn said: Ja'Marr Chase LLC buying a mega big buck home in Indian Hill is kind of a hint. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 12 minutes ago, dex said: This is common sense, anyone who is objectively looking at the market for WRs can see it's trending up dramatically so the sooner you get a deal done the better. This whole notion that waiting will help the Bengals in a fashion is just ridiculous, it's the reason why they should have signed JaMarr in the spring to avoid all of this foolishness. The Bengals front office is playing chicken with a player they can't lose so why even go down that road? They drafted him in the top 10 and he's been one of the best players in franchise history so far, you have to re-sign him..so why wait, get it done sooner than later, and save money 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleEarl Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 9 hours ago, claptonrocks said: MB loves his skilled players first. He may see Burton and Iosivas as future stars on the book deals. Money money money.. Loathe his decision making on contracts and team matters but respect the hell out of him as a rich and frugal businesman.. Brown has never done this for a player he wants long term, and he has said he wants Chase long term. Everyone knew the Bengals weren't going to sign both Higgins and Chase to those big deals, so Brown is playing out his hand franchising Higgins. Chase will get signed long term either very soon or after the season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 2 hours ago, PatternMaster said: This is common sense, anyone who is objectively looking at the market for WRs can see it's trending up dramatically so the sooner you get a deal done the better. This whole notion that waiting will help the Bengals in a fashion is just ridiculous, it's the reason why they should have signed JaMarr in the spring to avoid all of this foolishness. The Bengals front office is playing chicken with a player they can't lose so why even go down that road? They drafted him in the top 10 and he's been one of the best players in franchise history so far, you have to re-sign him..so why wait, get it done sooner than later, and save money There's only one player they can't afford to lose and his name isn't Ja'Marr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternMaster Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, T-Dub said: There's only one player they can't afford to lose and his name isn't Ja'Marr. Before Chase came to Cincy the Bengals were a below .500 team, since he's been here the Bengals have never had a season below .500 with a cumulative record of 28-17, which can't be said for Burrow. Is Burrow the most important player, absolutely, but the value Chase brings to this team and Joe Burrow can't be understated. The Bengals have to find a way to keep both players but an argument can be made that Chase is just as or even more important to the Bengals as Burrow. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 10 minutes ago, PatternMaster said: Before Chase came to Cincy the Bengals were a below .500 team, since he's been here the Bengals have never had a season below .500 with a cumulative record of 28-17, which can't be said for Burrow. Is Burrow the most important player, absolutely, but the value Chase brings to this team and Joe Burrow can't be understated. The Bengals have to find a way to keep both players but an argument can be made that Chase is just as or even more important to the Bengals as Burrow. Completely agree. He changes the way defenses play against the Bengals and is arguably the most talented player on the team, albeit at a less important position than QB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 13 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: He changes the way defenses play against the Bengals ... I would guesstimate that at least 1/3 of all the yards the other WR get are directly related to Ja'Marr demanding so much attention and double teams. If this was basketball he would basically get an "assist" on most of their TDs as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, PatternMaster said: Before Chase came to Cincy the Bengals were a below .500 team, since he's been here the Bengals have never had a season below .500 with a cumulative record of 28-17, which can't be said for Burrow. Is Burrow the most important player, absolutely, but the value Chase brings to this team and Joe Burrow can't be understated. The Bengals have to find a way to keep both players but an argument can be made that Chase is just as or even more important to the Bengals as Burrow. There is only 1 season "before Chase" where the Bengals had Burrow and that was his rookie season that was cut short by 6 games due to injury. So saying "before Chase", the Bengals were a below .500 team, while true, is kind of a reach all things considered. Say they had taken Penei Sewell instead of Chase, does the 28-17 record get worse, stay the same or be even better? Hard to say but I'll all but guarantee you the offensive line play is 10 x better in 2021, 2022 and 2023. Might even had won the SB!! Chase had 5 catches for 89 yards in the SB vs. Tee Higgins having 4 catches for 100 yards and 2 TD's! Burrow probably wouldn't be the most sacked QB in the league in 2021 and 2022 with Sewell either! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 We don't make that Superbowl without Chase. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 2 hours ago, PatternMaster said: Before Chase came to Cincy the Bengals were a below .500 team, since he's been here the Bengals have never had a season below .500 with a cumulative record of 28-17, which can't be said for Burrow. Is Burrow the most important player, absolutely, but the value Chase brings to this team and Joe Burrow can't be understated. The Bengals have to find a way to keep both players but an argument can be made that Chase is just as or even more important to the Bengals as Burrow. You know as well as I do that he missed that first season and every other year since. Correlation vs. causation, don't get cute. 😋 Chase is replaceable. Burrow isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Treehorn Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 I think we can all agree that this team is better with Chase on it than not. We can certainly debate his importance or impact vs. X player, but he's practicing and clearly will be playing this year which is what we all want. He certainly seems to be trending in the direction of getting paid sooner or later as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 24 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: We don't make that Superbowl without Chase. You mean we don't make that SB without Evan McPherson!! Bengals weren't blowing anyone out in the playoffs. Beat the Raiders by a TD. Beat the Titans by 3 and the Chiefs by 3. I think the chances are just as good with Penei Sewell at RT instead of a combo of Riley Reiff and Isaiah Prince!! Burrow wouldn't have been sacked as much in 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Jersey Bengal Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 Chase is a generational talent pay him and get it over with 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 25 minutes ago, Jackie Treehorn said: I think we can all agree that this team is better with Chase on it than not. We can certainly debate his importance or impact vs. X player, but he's practicing and clearly will be playing this year which is what we all want. He certainly seems to be trending in the direction of getting paid sooner or later as well. I think he probably gets paid eventually but he really doesn't have a lot of leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 4 minutes ago, T-Dub said: I think he probably gets paid eventually but he really doesn't have a lot of leverage. Bengals basically have the upper hand for 4 more seasons counting this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Randle P McMurphy said: You mean we don't make that SB without Evan McPherson!! Bengals weren't blowing anyone out in the playoffs. Beat the Raiders by a TD. Beat the Titans by 3 and the Chiefs by 3. I think the chances are just as good with Penei Sewell at RT instead of a combo of Riley Reiff and Isaiah Prince!! Burrow wouldn't have been sacked as much in 2021 I said what I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 ^ I'd go beyond Super Bowl. I think without Chase the team likely goes 10-7 wildcard, but with him 14-3 division champs. So he's worth at least 4 regular season wins on his own. The only other player more valuable is Burrow in my view. As I think Browning can get you 9-8, so Burrow is worth 5 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dub Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 One again we have speculation and then we have his actual stats, which are top 10-ish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 30 minutes ago, Jamie_B said: I said what I said. You have your opinion, I have mine. McPherson had 48 points in 4 games during the playoffs in 2021. Chase had 6 points in those 4 games! A high end WR is easier to find than a high end Tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 5 minutes ago, T-Dub said: we have his actual stats, which are top 10-ish. Stats don't tell you ... - How many double teams he drew allowing other guys to be open. - How many blocks he made down field in the run game to spring a big run. - How many hours each week the other coach has to spend just preparing their defense for him, cutting into other prep. - When he made those catches. Are they on 4th down to win a division clinching game? In the playoffs? To make a Super Bowl. - How the opposing defense has to shift their entire scheme just based on what he can do. Does he always draw their best corner? And a FS rolled to his side. Etc etc. Stats miss alot of the picture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randle P McMurphy Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 2 minutes ago, BlackJesus said: When he made those catches. Are they on 4th down to win a division clinching game? In the playoffs? To make a Super Bowl. McPherson made the kick to get up past Tennessee and Kansas City alone IN THE PLAYOFFS AND TO MAKE A SB!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|BlackJesus| Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said: McPherson made the kick to get up past Tennessee IN THE PLAYOFFS The kick in Tennessee came after Ja'Marr's clutch catch / play put them in FG range. Surely you understand how team football works? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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