Bengals' Ja'Marr Chase hold-in is one to monitor according to Adam Schefter

[T-Dub]

8 hours ago, JC said:

To end any and all speculation.

 

Wait, what? $3.8 mil roster bonus?! I thought he was being forced to play this season for a Dave & Buster's Power Card with 7 bucks left on it. 

[Le Tigre]

8 hours ago, T-Dub said:

 

Wait, what? $3.8 mil roster bonus?! I thought he was being forced to play this season for a Dave & Buster's Power Card with 7 bucks left on it. 

“Feeding one’s family” costs ever so much than a paltry $3.8 million! 

[Randle P McMurphy]

10 hours ago, UncleEarl said:

 

The NFL isn't real life in any way shape or form, so none of that means squat.  BJ is correct.  The guy is due to sign a $100M plus contract in the near future.  Why would he risk it over $1M?  He is an asset that knows his value.  He is doing the right thing for himself.  WRs and RBs have short shelf lives in the NFL and that is why you see them holding out near the end of their rookie deals.  I honestly doubt he plays without a deal, and I'm not sure I wouldn't do the same.  He's risking generational money.

 

No one is saying the guy is not going to get a deal.  He's just going to have to wait.  Everyone says Katie is doing the contracts now and she probably is but

she's not doing anything without her Dad signing off on it.  Their not going to pay big dollars to 2 WR's.  That was obvious the minute that 

Tee Higgins didn't get a long term deal because they could have structured it to where his cap hit would have been less in the 1st season than the $21.8 million

the tag is.  For the folks saying that the price is going to go up the longer they wait that's not necessarily true because the bar has been set, (Jefferson) and

I seriously doubt Auyik or Lamb are going to get above Jefferson.  The top FA WR next year is most likely going to be Higgins and there again, he's not going

to get more than Jefferson.   Chase should be glad he's playing for the Bengals because they front load the contracts to where they actually get paid

the money in the contract whereas the majority of NFL teams back load the contracts and their players end up getting cut or having to restructure and take 

less money!  If he doesn't want to suit up this season then fine.  He can get out his checkbook and pay back bonuses and start paying fines and be right

back to this same spot next season!   He has no leverage and if the Bengals go on without him and have success he has even LESS leverage and less money!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[|BlackJesus|]

The point of the season for fans should be to win the Super Bowl, not to make the Brown Family bank account balance sheet look as good as possible.

 

The way some fans fret about these contacts you would assume they are the ones paying them out. 🤔 

 

The Bengals organization can easily afford to pay Ja'Marr Chase. Just like they paid Burrow the largest contract for a QB ever.

 

Playing "Hard Ball" with the second most important pillar of your franchise is not wise and forgoing his services in your best window for a SB win is even dumber. 

[Dautcom08]

17 hours ago, BlackJesus said:

 

I'm sure he has 1 million left from the 30 he's made so far.

 

And if the Bengals go down the road of trying to fine him a million dollars they will be burning the bridge with him permanently in one of the dumbest fucking moves in sports franchise history.

 

Him and Burrow turned this entire thing around. He deserves to be rewarded like Burrow was. I don't get the bitterness towards Ja'Marr just because he doesn't want to make 1/22 the amount of Tee in game checks and less than Jake Browning this season, when he's the 2nd best player on the team. 

 

Again this is where you're wrong.  No one is "bitter" towards Ja'Marr.  I don't think anyone gives two flying Fs that he hasn't been practicing.  He will get his contract.   You, I and everyone else under the sun understands that.  Unfortunately for him and every other player the CBA as it stands does not favor rookies getting paid sooner rather than later.  If he's really this disgruntled he should take it up with his NFLPA union reps and Sam Bradford, not the Bengals.  Until then, he will get his big deal in due time much like Jefferson and CeeDee Lamb have/will after year 4.

 

This isn't rocket science.

[Randle P McMurphy]

6 minutes ago, BlackJesus said:

The point of the season for fans should be to win the Super Bowl, not to make the Brown Family bank account balance sheet look as good as possible.

 

The way some fans fret about these contacts you would assume they are the ones paying them out. 🤔 

 

The Bengals organization can easily afford to pay Ja'Marr Chase. Just like they paid Burrow the largest contract for a QB ever.

 

Playing "Hard Ball" with the second most important pillar of your franchise is not wise and forgoing his services in your best window for a SB win is even dumber. 

 

Of course as a fan you want your team to win it all!  Chase is a year early in his demands.  Don't take it out on the Bengals,

take it up with the player's union!  They are the one's that agreed to the CBA! 

Yeah Waddle and Smith got their deals but their ENTIRE contracts are less than what Chase wants in just guarantees.

And yeah, they paid Burrow the largest contract for a QB ever.  If you want to talk about doing dumb shit it's trotting out 

that aforementioned "highest paid QB" behind an average OL with ZERO depth and then pissing and moaning when he's out

for the season AGAIN during your best "window" for a SB win!!  But hey, Chase got his money so that makes it okay?  lol  

I could care less about the Brown family's bank account, Burrow's bank account and Chase's bank account!  

[UncleEarl]

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41 minutes ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

Of course as a fan you want your team to win it all!  Chase is a year early in his demands.  Don't take it out on the Bengals,

take it up with the player's union!  They are the one's that agreed to the CBA! 

Yeah Waddle and Smith got their deals but their ENTIRE contracts are less than what Chase wants in just guarantees.

And yeah, they paid Burrow the largest contract for a QB ever.  If you want to talk about doing dumb shit it's trotting out 

that aforementioned "highest paid QB" behind an average OL with ZERO depth and then pissing and moaning when he's out

for the season AGAIN during your best "window" for a SB win!!  But hey, Chase got his money so that makes it okay?  lol  

I could care less about the Brown family's bank account, Burrow's bank account and Chase's bank account!  

 

Chase can ask for an extension as soon as he is eligible.  The Bengals can refuse to do it, and then Chase can sit out if he pleases.  Happens quite often. 

 

The Bengals won't fine Chase a dime, and even if they do he'll never pay it.  Higgins will eventually walk and the Brown family intends to pay Chase.  Who knows what the holdup is, but acting like what Chase is doing is some kind of crazy thing is definitely "dumb shit."  I give Chase credit for being cool and professional about it.  No war of words.  No staying home.  He wants to be here, but he also doesn't want to risk a $100M contract playing for $1M. 

[Jamie_B]

1 hour ago, Dautcom08 said:

 

Again this is where you're wrong.  No one is "bitter" towards Ja'Marr.  I don't think anyone gives two flying Fs that he hasn't been practicing.  He will get his contract.   You, I and everyone else under the sun understands that.  Unfortunately for him and every other player the CBA as it stands does not favor rookies getting paid sooner rather than later.  If he's really this disgruntled he should take it up with his NFLPA union reps and Sam Bradford, not the Bengals.  Until then, he will get his big deal in due time much like Jefferson and CeeDee Lamb have/will after year 4.

 

This isn't rocket science.

 

And the likelihood they will have to pay more next year than they would now is pretty high.

 

It makes more sense to get it done now.

[Randle P McMurphy]

2 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:

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Chase can ask for an extension as soon as he is eligible.  The Bengals can refuse to do it, and then Chase can sit out if he pleases.  Happens quite often. 

 

The Bengals won't fine Chase a dime, and even if they do he'll never pay it.  Higgins will eventually walk and the Brown family intends to pay Chase.  Who knows what the holdup is, but acting like what Chase is doing is some kind of crazy thing is definitely "dumb shit."  I give Chase credit for being cool and professional about it.  No war of words.  No staying home.  He wants to be here, but he also doesn't want to risk a $100M contract playing for $1M. 

 

Yeah I know he's eligible for a new deal after 3 years.  Like I mentioned, Waddle and Smith getting their deals.   There's been no war of words but actions

speak louder than words.  (Sit in)  He has next to zero leverage.  How is stating he has no leverage  acting like he's doing some kind of crazy thing and definitely "dumb shit"?!   Those are facts.  Me stating those are "dumb shit"?  lol  What I said was "dumb shit", was putting Burrow out there with an average OL and no depth

and expecting him to stay healthy.  

[alleycat]

The thing that has so far saved the NFL from becoming MLB is the salary cap. 

 

We love what it has done to the game (competitive), but we can hate it when it comes down to its effect on our team and our holding onto individual players. 

 

The old narrative of the Browns being cheap is clearly false. The narrative of them not being willing to adapt to the new ways is also false. The narrative of them being shrewd business people, and perhaps managers of this team, however, is certainly true. Let's face it, something major has happened in the way this team runs since we brought in Zac Taylor, and its results are inarguable. 

 

At the end of the day, though, the Bengals hit the jackpot with Joe Burrow, a fitting result of losing all of their games and ending the previous era. But here we have an unquestioned elite QB, in a sport where that single thing trumps all else. There popular cartoon meme going around that showed Burrow, Sewell, and Chase can still be argued over as it applies to that season, but as time goes on, and Burrow shows that his body is mortal, I'd argue that the most important thing on this team - which is to say, the most important application of its resources, is to PROTECT JOE BURROW.

 

Joe Burrow with time can throw to anyone. And the Bengals have shown simple brilliance in developing receivers. It's pretty easy to see a world where, in time, Yoshi replaces Tee, Burton replaces Chase, and Jones replaces Boyd. It's not ideal, and will there be a talent drop-off? Quite possibly. But they have 1-2 years to ease into that transition - a period during which those new receivers will continue to develop, and during which they can also draft, even potentially with #1 picks, necessary new ones. 

 

That's not ideal, and I, as a defense-first fan, would rather take elite players on the other side of the ball, but what it IS is logical. Sensible. Because a 1st year star WR is going to cost us 1/10th of what the NFL #1 paid WR will cost. Let's say it's 25-30 million bucks a year.

 

What else can we do with that money? I for one, want to make sure Joe has the best OLine in Football, because I know if he does his Hall of Fame career will be a given, and multiple Super Bowls (and this is the key) are within reach. I also think that you give Joe Burrow and a decent offense a top 5 defense, and that future is actually in our grasp. 

 

It's hard to see the guys we love go. But we are a proven WR factory. I say churn and burn there if you have to, knowing that you will hit on others there... in order to improve the team elsewhere. What would a Chris Jones do to this team? A Myles Garret? A Fred Warner? I want one of those guys more than I want Chase, because if we can take our D to the next level, and sprinkle in a True Tone-setter and dominant/elite player there, we forego shooting our money load now to have WR1 and QB1 in the league for the next 5 years - and maybe 1 Super Bowl now - with who the fuck knows what on Oline or D; but instead are investing in a true shot at a dynasty. 

 

I want the dynasty. 

 

 

[Randle P McMurphy]

11 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

 

And the likelihood they will have to pay more next year than they would now is pretty high.

 

It makes more sense to get it done now.

 

How is the likelihood of them having to pay more next year going to be higher? Which WR is going to get more than Jefferson?

Jefferson set the bar and I seriously doubt that Aiyuk, Lamb and Higgins going to get more than Jefferson this year or next.  

[UncleEarl]

3 hours ago, Randle P McMurphy said:

 

Yeah I know he's eligible for a new deal after 3 years.  Like I mentioned, Waddle and Smith getting their deals.   There's been no war of words but actions

speak louder than words.  (Sit in)  He has next to zero leverage.  How is stating he has no leverage  acting like he's doing some kind of crazy thing and definitely "dumb shit"?!   Those are facts.  Me stating those are "dumb shit"?  lol  What I said was "dumb shit", was putting Burrow out there with an average OL and no depth

and expecting him to stay healthy.  

Saying he has next to no leverage.  SMH.  The second best player on your team may sit out and that’s next to no leverage?   Keep digging. 

[claptonrocks]

11 minutes ago, UncleEarl said:

Saying he has next to no leverage.  SMH.  The second best player on your team may sit out and that’s next to no leverage?   Keep digging. 

How do you think JB would do throwing to 

Higgins, iosivas, Burton and the other talents there?

 

[dex]

Article excerpt from The Athletic - Paul Dehner:

 

Where things stand with Ja’Marr Chase

Chase has been present at training camp but has not participated in practice as he seeks a contract extension.

Unlike Lamb and Aiyuk, Chase still has two years remaining on his rookie deal after the Bengals picked up the fifth-year option on his contract.

Chase has been one of the NFL’s most productive receivers during his first three seasons. He’s tied with Stefon Diggs and Hill for the second most receiving touchdowns (29) and ranks seventh in receiving yards (3,717) since being selected with the fifth pick in the 2021 NFL Draft. — Paul Dehner Jr., Bengals beat writer

Why this holdout is still going on

Chase has two years remaining on his contract but is looking for an extension similar to the one given to Jefferson by the Vikings. Cincinnati has notoriously shied away from large guarantees (Joe Burrow is the exception to the rule) and that will be a problem if Jefferson is the template.

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Bengals president Mike Brown pointed out last month this probably isn’t the best time to negotiate with Chase, suggesting the contract is more likely to be done next year before his fifth-year option. Brown added the team would “bend over backward” to sign him.

They’ve been in negotiations, but consequently, Chase has stood and watched every camp practice with a hat and T-shirt. — Dehner

How and when this holdout likely ends

The biggest question remaining is if Chase is willing to miss regular-season games. No one knows that answer for certain, likely not even Chase. It’s one thing to say you are willing to sit out and another to actually look your teammates — and quarterback — in the eye and do so.

It’s currently a game of chicken with ownership as the season draws closer. The Bengals’ biggest contracts have almost always come down to the final moments. A.J. Green was made the highest-paid wide receiver in football right before getting on the bus to fly to Oakland for the 2015 season opener (his fifth-year option season).

Burrow agreed to terms as the Kansas City Chiefs and Lions were kicking off the season last year. The best bet is this issue gets kicked down the road to 2025. — Dehner

What to expect from Chase this season

The personnel and scheme surrounding Chase set him up for a career year. The other skill position players are much more versatile, which should allow Cincinnati to move Chase around more than in years prior to find desirable matchups, including taking over a chunk of Tyler Boyd’s vacated slot snaps.

Burrow says he only needs one practice with Chase to pick up where they left off and if any QB-WR duo can make that claim, it’s these two. Maybe he starts a little slow early in the year or this opens him up to soft tissue injuries as he tries to quickly ramp up, but it’s hard to see this having a major effect on the big picture of his season. — Dehner

[UncleEarl]

I hope he's right and he plays, but I don't know....

[JC]

What will his contract do if he doesn’t play? It will toll and the current year will just play out again next year and he would be a year older trying to get a third contract. He’s playing this year. 
 

Does he have the balls to sit out a few regular season games. I doubt it. I figured PDJ would have said as much though. 

[Jamie_B]

Does anyone in their heart of hearts think he isn't going to be on the field for game 1?

[Randle P McMurphy]

1 hour ago, UncleEarl said:

Saying he has next to no leverage.  SMH.  The second best player on your team may sit out and that’s next to no leverage?   Keep digging. 

 

Let's say he sits out this year.  So this year doesn't count as an accrued season.  This time next year, (2025), is the 4th year of his contract

at the same $1.05 million and the 5th year option in 2026.  He's in the same spot then as he is now.  That's next to no leverage in my opinion!

Do you think the Bengals are a 5-12 or 6-11 team without Chase?  I don't!  

[sparky151]

2 hours ago, UncleEarl said:

Saying he has next to no leverage.  SMH.  The second best player on your team may sit out and that’s next to no leverage?   Keep digging. 

 

Leaving camp and sitting out games after reporting is very costly under the CBA. It's why Lamb didn't report. A threat from Chase to sit out isn't very credible. 

[Griever]

7 minutes ago, Jamie_B said:

Does anyone in their heart of hearts think he isn't going to be on the field for game 1?

I just don't see Ja'Marr looking at his teammates suiting up for regular season action and saying "nah, I'm good", I think he plays.

[|BlackJesus|]

1 hour ago, JC said:

He’s playing this year. 
Does he have the balls to sit out a few regular season games. 

 

It's not so simple. He can have "lower back pain" which is a common "injury" for players who want a new contract and impossible to prove.

 

There's many ailments where he could justifiably sit out injured that wouldn't be real injuries. Which is why you shouldn't 'poison the well' with a player you want to keep around. 

[JC]

Be classified a NFI pretty quickly considering he hasn’t practiced with the team. Contract would still toll.

[Jamie_B]

[Griever]

 

[claptonrocks]

21 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

Does anyone in their heart of hearts think he isn't going to be on the field for game 1?

Heart of hearts..

Good poll question