Preseason 1 game notes and 53 man guess

[MichaelWeston]

Green=Played well

Orange=Didn't play

Red=Played badly

 

Burrow 29

Browning 26

Woodside 25

Lombardi 27

 

Burrow looked good, put him in bubble tape. Browning didn't look good but he will be fine. Woodside looked very good. He's already 29 and has bounced around the league. It's possible he would land in Pittsburgh as he played for Arthur Blank in Tennessee and Atlanta but they seem like they have their QBs. 

 

RB

Brown 27

Moss 26

Williams 25

Evans 25

Collins 27

Cain 27

 

Brown looked fine, Williams had a nice tackle on teams, Evans had a good return. Collins was the biggest shock for me. He was impressive on a screen. I assumed we would be going outside of the roster for our PS RB

 

WR	Chase 26	Irwin 25	Pryor	Butler 25
WR	Higgins 25	Burton 28	Jackson	Burgess 27
WR	Iosivas 27	Jones 27	Lassiter

 

Higgins-Yoshi all flashed. Burton was great at the end against 4th stringers...as he should be. Pryor-Jackson-Lassiter-Butler could all be the 6th WRs on teams. It will be tough to decide who stays on the practice squad again. Each was ok. 

 

TE

Gesicki 25

Sample 27

Hudson 25

All 28

McClachlan 28

Grandy 27

 

I don't see a way they only keep 4 guys outside of injury. McClachlan played well and you have him for 4 years on a cheap deal. 

 

LT	Brown 27	Carman 25	Smith 25
LG	Volson 26	Kirkland	Gilliam
C	Karras 26	Hill 25	Lee 28
RG	Cappa 26	Ford 25	Miller 27
RT	Brown 25	Mims 29	Cochran 25

 

Carman was bad. I thought Kirkland played very well. Got to the second level and seemed to push his man off the line very well. I think there is an outside chance he pushes Volson. 

 

Cochran and Carman played all of the second group's reps at tackle. I'm not sure where Dante Smith was, he is probably banged up. 

 

K	McPherson 25
P	Rehkow 27	Robbins 27
LS	Adomitis 25

 

Robbins and Rehkow both were great. I don't know how you don't add another long snapper or kicker for preseason. Adomitis has to go down and tackle so often, we need a second option there for the later games. 

 

LE	Hubbard 26	Ossai 25	Gunter	Carter 25
LT	Hill 25	Carter 26	Jackson 28	Davis	Davis 25
RT	Rankins 26	Jenkins 28	Tufele 25	Bell 25	Maxwell 26
RE	Hendrickson 26	Murphy 27	Johnson 28	Blazek 27

 

The DT position is banged up. I thought Carter was terrible again, got pushed all over. Carl Davis was ok. Jenkins didn't show much. Andre Carter had an edge to him. Both Gunter and Johnson looked good. I could see them going light at tackle and deep at de to start the year. 

 

WLB	Pratt 26	Davis-Gaither 25	Njongmeta 27	Harper 26
MLB	Wilson 28	Bachie 25	Heyward	Casey 27

 

I had assumed Casey and Harper were the leaders here among the backups and Njongmeta was just a guy to get tackles in camp. He wasn't. He collected 10 tackles and seemed fast. He seems to have the inside track to a potential 5th position. 

 

S	Bell 25	Battle 27	Dowell 27	Jules 27
S	Stone 26	Hill 27	Anderson 26

 

Anderson is out and they are light at backup safety. Jules played very well and brought some energy. Anthony getting banged up will make things interesting next week. 

 

CB	Taylor-Britt 26	Newton 28	George	Brooks 25
CB	Turner 27	Ivey 27	Robinson 28
NB	Hilton 25	Davis 25	Anthony 28

 

Newton had the pick, I am not sure Davis even played but I think he's a lock. Nate Brooks seemed to be in the right place at the right time.

 

 

 

[MichaelWeston]

My guess at the 53 so far. 

 

QB	Burrow 29	Browning 26
RB	Brown 27	Moss 26	Williams 25
WR	Chase 26	Irwin 25
WR	Higgins 25	Burton 28
WR	Iosivas 27	Jones 27
TE	Gesicki 25	Sample 27	Hudson 25	All 28	McClachlan 28
LT	Brown 27
LG	Volson 26	Kirkland
C	Karras 26	Hill 25
RG	Cappa 26	Ford 25
RT	Brown 25	Mims 29
K	McPherson 25
P	Rehkow 27
LS	Adomitis 25
LE	Hubbard 26	Ossai 25	Gunter
LT	Hill 25	Jackson 28
RT	Rankins 26	Jenkins 28
RE	Hendrickson 26	Murphy 27	Johnson 28
WLB	Pratt 26	Davis-Gaither 25	Njongmeta 27
MLB	Wilson 28	Bachie 25
SLB
S	Bell 25	Battle 27
S	Stone 26	Anderson 26
CB	Taylor-Britt 26	Newton 28
CB	Turner 27	Hill 27
NB	Hilton 25	Davis 25

[New Jersey Bengal]

3 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

My guess at the 53 so far. 

 

QB	Burrow 29	Browning 26
RB	Brown 27	Moss 26	Williams 25
WR	Chase 26	Irwin 25
WR	Higgins 25	Burton 28
WR	Iosivas 27	Jones 27
TE	Gesicki 25	Sample 27	Hudson 25	All 28	McClachlan 28
LT	Brown 27
LG	Volson 26	Kirkland
C	Karras 26	Hill 25
RG	Cappa 26	Ford 25
RT	Brown 25	Mims 29
K	McPherson 25
P	Rehkow 27
LS	Adomitis 25
LE	Hubbard 26	Ossai 25	Gunter
LT	Hill 25	Jackson 28
RT	Rankins 26	Jenkins 28
RE	Hendrickson 26	Murphy 27	Johnson 28
WLB	Pratt 26	Davis-Gaither 25	Njongmeta 27
MLB	Wilson 28	Bachie 25
SLB
S	Bell 25	Battle 27
S	Stone 26	Anderson 26
CB	Taylor-Britt 26	Newton 28
CB	Turner 27	Hill 27
NB	Hilton 25	Davis 25

MIT phd work as usual

[MichaelWeston]

29 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

My guess at the 53 so far. 

 

QB	Burrow 29	Browning 26
RB	Brown 27	Moss 26	Williams 25
WR	Chase 26	Irwin 25
WR	Higgins 25	Burton 28
WR	Iosivas 27	Jones 27
TE	Gesicki 25	Sample 27	Hudson 25	All 28	McClachlan 28
LT	Brown 27
LG	Volson 26	Kirkland
C	Karras 26	Hill 25
RG	Cappa 26	Ford 25
RT	Brown 25	Mims 29
K	McPherson 25
P	Rehkow 27
LS	Adomitis 25
LE	Hubbard 26	Ossai 25	Gunter
LT	Hill 25	Jackson 28
RT	Rankins 26	Jenkins 28
RE	Hendrickson 26	Murphy 27	Johnson 28
WLB	Pratt 26	Davis-Gaither 25	Njongmeta 27
MLB	Wilson 28	Bachie 25
SLB
S	Bell 25	Battle 27
S	Stone 26	Anderson 26
CB	Taylor-Britt 26	Newton 28
CB	Turner 27	Hill 27
NB	Hilton 25	Davis 25

 

If you play this out next year, just pretending you don't add any other players, which you will

 

Higgins is replaced by Burton as a starter

All and McClachlan replace Gesicki

Mims replaces Brown which is probably going to happen at some point this year if not the entire year. 

Hill is replaced by Jenkins/Jackson.....You could see Hill back

Osai is replaced by Gunter/Johnson

Bell is replaced by Battle

Hilton is replaced by Hill who returns to his college position. Although I expect Hilton to get a Karras style deal sooner than later. Maybe Bell too but Battle is too obvious of a replacement. 

[|High School Harry|]

Just from the one kick off I recall seeing someone is going to have to remind Money Mac

to keep the ball out of the end zone unless on a bounce.  THEN its kill the man with the ball.

[|BlackJesus|]

Carman better not make the final 53. 

 

The day they remove that tumor of suck will be addition by subtraction. 

[PatternMaster]

I don't see any NFL team keeping 5 TE's, that like keeping 2 punters. One may go to IR and another to the PS. 

 

McLachlan played well against backups, but he's not making the 53 being so far down on the depth chart. He will be a late cut and stashed on PS.

 

 

[MichaelWeston]

11 minutes ago, PatternMaster said:

I don't see any NFL team keeping 5 TE's, that like keeping 2 punters. On may go to IR and another to the PS. 

 

McLachlan played well against backups, but he's not making the 53 being so far down on the depth chart. He will be a late cut and stashed on PS.

 

 

He'd be the 3rd TE on the Titans and Browns and I haven't really looked much beyond that but I assume he will find an easy landing spot. 

[dex]

- MIMS - Pretty sure that Mims will be the starter at RT on opening day. I expected him to get much more than 15 snaps because of his lack of game experience in college. The fact that they didn't even bother to leave him in the game longer seems to imply the coaches are very happy with where he is in his development. Got to believe that TBrown will be the swing tackle.

 

- BURTON - After listening to an interview with Troy Walters earlier in the week, I wasn't really surprised that Burton wasn't running with the second team even with both Chase/Jones unavailable to play. It isn't about his physical skills and his hands, which Walters admits are off the charts. He is raw with the route running, beating press coverage at the line, and all of the nuances of being in the right place in a precision offense. Walters even predicted that Burton would show well in a preseason game where they aren't showing a lot and the little things are less important.

 

- CARMAN - I know some will still claim that he will be kept because he was a premium draft pick, but I don't believe it. Cincinnati was the least penalized team in the NFL last season. The coaches don't like penalties, and Carman was constantly getting flagged.

 

- CARTER - He somehow got exactly 500 snaps last year, and has been very high in the DT rotation in the early practices. Still a mystery to me why Anarumo likes him so much. HE put on pounds last season in an effort to improve, took them off this offseason in an effort to improve...but doesn't look like he has improved at all. So far Carter has been every bit the premium round draft bust that Carman has been, but somehow keeps getting rewarded with snaps. No reason to think Carter won't make the roster given how much usage he keeps getting. I would be willing to part with a premium draft pack in a trade for a high quality run-stopping DT. That's just how big the hole there is (no pun intended). Tobin won't do it though.

[Jamie_B]

2 hours ago, PatternMaster said:

I don't see any NFL team keeping 5 TE's, that like keeping 2 punters. On may go to IR and another to the PS. 

 

McLachlan played well against backups, but he's not making the 53 being so far down on the depth chart. He will be a late cut and stashed on PS.

 

 

 

If they use Sample as a HBack and cut Evans it isn't out of the question.

[Jamie_B]

I thought Travis Bell did enough to move into competition for the last DT spot

[MichaelWeston]

3 hours ago, Jamie_B said:

I thought Travis Bell did enough to move into competition for the last DT spot

I think you go with Carl Davis if it's close. He's a veteran and that room could use another one. . I did like Bell though. 

[|BlackJesus|]

Switch out your starting RT for this tank ...

 

[Jamie_B]

28 minutes ago, MichaelWeston said:

I think you go with Carl Davis if it's close. He's a veteran and that room could use another one. . I did like Bell though. 

 

We have two vet starters. Let talent win out regardless of age.

[claptonrocks]

15 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

 

If you play this out next year, just pretending you don't add any other players, which you will

 

Higgins is replaced by Burton as a starter

All and McClachlan replace Gesicki

Mims replaces Brown which is probably going to happen at some point this year if not the entire year. 

Hill is replaced by Jenkins/Jackson.....You could see Hill back

Osai is replaced by Gunter/Johnson

Bell is replaced by Battle

Hilton is replaced by Hill who returns to his college position. Although I expect Hilton to get a Karras style deal sooner than later. Maybe Bell too but Battle is too obvious of a replacement. 

Good stuff ..

 

The may try and sign Gesicki to a two yr deal if his production is worthy..

His  catch radius makes for a huge target for JB.

Gesicki, All, Sample and Hudson would be a solid unit.

 

If Hilton has another positive year they may look for a 1 yr extension.

[MichaelWeston]

 

[MichaelWeston]

 

[T-Dub]

Seems every year theres a WR or RB tearing up camp while defenders are basically playing touch football. Get them in a live game and they're abused and disappear.

 

Jury is still out on these guys but I wouldn't get too attached to any longshot roster hopefuls based on training camp hype.

 

 

[Cricket]

1 hour ago, T-Dub said:

Seems every year theres a WR or RB tearing up camp while defenders are basically playing touch football. Get them in a live game and they're abused and disappear.

 

Jury is still out on these guys but I wouldn't get too attached to any longshot roster hopefuls based on training camp hype.

 

 

The Dee Dee Dorsey effect?  😎

[UncleEarl]

11 hours ago, dex said:

- BURTON - After listening to an interview with Troy Walters earlier in the week, I wasn't really surprised that Burton wasn't running with the second team even with both Chase/Jones unavailable to play. It isn't about his physical skills and his hands, which Walters admits are off the charts. He is raw with the route running, beating press coverage at the line, and all of the nuances of being in the right place in a precision offense. Walters even predicted that Burton would show well in a preseason game where they aren't showing a lot and the little things are less important.

 

 

 

It's hard to walk into the NFL and be ready to produce.  It's not surprising that Burton has a lot to learn, and the Bengals WR group is a strong one full of vets that can be counted upon.  I would be surprised if he saw much game action unless he can contribute on special teams. 

[T-Dub]

1 hour ago, Cricket said:

The Dee Dee Dorsey effect?  😎

 

He was for sure one of them but couldn't remember his name, thanks for the memory jog.  There was also some Ross-type receiver that was a UDFA, track guy, even made some nice grabs in the preseason but couldn't beat press coverage or hang on to the ball in traffic (it's like they learned nothing).  IIRC someone claimed him off waivers and he played a year or two as a return guy? I think he was even in Bengals camp a couple of times if that rings a bell?

 

Anyhow looking at the dubious PFF grades I noticed a couple dudes people were hyping in camp didn't do shit in this first warmup game, but that's to be expected.

[|High School Harry|]

3 hours ago, MichaelWeston said:

 

I'd like to see Kirkland's grade.  Monster guard.  Seems like he has been stashed and groomed for the past couple years.

I like the guy.

And Orlando Brown Jr.  The shiny new toy is getting a bit of rust.

[Cricket]

54 minutes ago, T-Dub said:

 

He was for sure one of them but couldn't remember his name, thanks for the memory jog.  There was also some Ross-type receiver that was a UDFA, track guy, even made some nice grabs in the preseason but couldn't beat press coverage or hang on to the ball in traffic (it's like they learned nothing).  IIRC someone claimed him off waivers and he played a year or two as a return guy? I think he was even in Bengals camp a couple of times if that rings a bell?

 

Anyhow looking at the dubious PFF grades I noticed a couple dudes people were hyping in camp didn't do shit in this first warmup game, but that's to be expected.

Bennie Brazile???   

[T-Dub]

Just now, Cricket said:

Bennie Brazile???   

 

Oh man we're into the Bengals deep cuts now

 

He's def another on that list.

[T-Dub]

11 minutes ago, High School Harry said:

I'd like to see Kirkland's grade.  Monster guard.  Seems like he has been stashed and groomed for the past couple years.

I like the guy.

And Orlando Brown Jr.  The shiny new toy is getting a bit of rust.

 

Yeah Kirkland's grade was a very pleasant surprise.  Like I said, any backup with some upside would be fantastic. If they never take the next step then oh well, at least they'd be taking a spot from the not now and never shall be's.